Current Events Who is the "Big Bad" of Egghead Island

[Salah WG]

Thats not "each" saga lmao. You arbitrary left out nearly every major arc in order to make that point.

Kizaru and his fleet are the antagonists. Nobody else is showing up here save for 2 blackbeard captains looking to do something.

Whiskey Peak is Start of Arabasta Saga ---> Arc Ended with SHs deciding to Free Arabasta from Baroque Works
Followed by Jaya that that is Start of Skypiea Saga ---> Arc Ended with SHs going to Sky Island
Followed by Long Ring that is Start of Water 7 Saga ---> Arc Ended with Aokiji warning them about Robin's Past
Followed by Saboady that is Start of Ace Rescue Saga ---> Arc Ended with Start of Luffy Solo Adventure

And if you gonna say i missed East Blue Saga, entire Saga was preceded by Chapter 1, where Luffy didn't start his Journey Yet.
But you can go to Logue Town Arc which was used as Teaser Arc for entire Grand Line, and you can also find that SHs faced Buggy First & then They met Smoker, followed by Surprise Introduction of Monkey D. Dragon, so the Pattern still applies.

And if you gonna say i missed Thriller Bark Arc, that Arc was Self-Contained, but it still followed the Pattern and ended with Introduction of Bartholomew Kuma, didn't it? But even before that, their Goal was to reach Fishmen Island which was decided in Return to Water 7 Arc, which Ended with Introduction of Garp as well.

Return To Sabaody didn't have such Major Introduction, because SHs themselves represented the Awaited Reveal, but it still featured Two Groups of Villains, it started with Fake SHs & then Arrival of Sentomaru with Pacifista.

After that, i only mentioned Punk Hazard Arc which was confirmed to be Start of entire Wano Saga.
So i'm sorry buddy, i didn't forget any Arc that represents Start of Saga, except Thriller Bark Arc maybe but it still ended with a Surprise Arrival.

To Summarize, Pre-TS & Post-TS Started with Introduction of Luffy. after that:

Before SHs entered Grand Line? Say Hi to Dragon
Before SHs started their Journey to Free Arabasta? Say Hi to Robin
Before SHs started their Journey to find Golden City? Say Hi to Blackbeard
Before SHs started their Journey to get a Shipwright? Say Hi to Aokiji
Before SHs started their Journey to Fishmen Island? Say Hi to Garp
Before SHs Plan got ruined & Luffy Solo Journey Started? Say Hi to Kizaru/Kuma
Before SHs entered New World? Say Hi to Big Mom
Before SHs started their Journey to take down Kaidou? Say Hi to Doflamingo

Now it's time for a New Journey, New Major Plot, and just like always, it Starts with a Surprise Arrival that no one was Expecting

 

[Paperchampion23]

That's pointing out saturn to be more involved than anything
The incident is him being revealed to the world being involved.

Or it could point to your favorite example you guys use all the time: Kuma in Thriller Bark. Nothing specifies Saturn will get involved during the actual Seige.

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Whiskey Peak is Start of Arabasta Saga ---> Arc Ended with SHs deciding to Free Arabasta from Baroque Works
Followed by Jaya that that is Start of Skypiea Saga ---> Arc Ended with SHs going to Sky Island
Followed by Long Ring that is Start of Water 7 Saga ---> Arc Ended with Aokiji warning them about Robin's Past
Followed by Saboady that is Start of Ace Rescue Saga ---> Arc Ended with Start of Luffy Solo Adventure

And if you gonna say i missed East Blue Saga, entire Saga was preceded by Chapter 1, where Luffy didn't start his Journey Yet.
But you can go to Logue Town Arc which was used as Teaser Arc for entire Grand Line, and you can also find that SHs faced Buggy First & then They met Smoker, followed by Surprise Introduction of Monkey D. Dragon, so the Pattern still applies.

And if you gonna say i missed Thriller Bark Arc, that Arc was Self-Contained, but it still followed the Pattern and ended with Introduction of Bartholomew Kuma, didn't it? But even before that, their Goal was to reach Fishmen Island which was decided in Return to Water 7 Arc, which Ended with Introduction of Garp as well.

Return To Sabaody didn't have such Major Introduction, because SHs themselves represented the Awaited Reveal, but it still featured Two Groups of Villains, it started with Fake SHs & then Arrival of Sentomaru with Pacifista.

After that, i only mentioned Punk Hazard Arc which was confirmed to be Start of entire Wano Saga.
So i'm sorry buddy, i didn't forget any Arc that represents Start of Saga, except Thriller Bark Arc maybe but it still ended with a Surprise Arrival.

To Summarize, Pre-TS & Post-TS Started with Introduction of Luffy. after that:

Before SHs entered Grand Line? Say Hi to Dragon
Before SHs started their Journey to Free Arabasta? Say Hi to Robin
Before SHs started their Journey to find Golden City? Say Hi to Blackbeard
Before SHs started their Journey to get a Shipwright? Say Hi to Aokiji
Before SHs started their Journey to Fishmen Island? Say Hi to Garp
Before SHs Plan got ruined & Luffy Solo Journey Started? Say Hi to Kizaru/Kuma
Before SHs entered New World? Say Hi to Big Mom
Before SHs started their Journey to take down Kaidou? Say Hi to Doflamingo

Now it's time for a New Journey, New Major Plot, and just like always, it Starts with a Surprise Arrival that no one was Expecting

@Salah WG Yes and that "surprise" arrival is Kizaru and his group lmfao

What does this have to do with actual antagonism though if you randomly mention 3rd party characters as surprise arrivals?

Edit: Your example with Thriller bark is exactly the one im referring to. Kizaru is the villain, Saturn is the "Kuma" of the arc. This is evidently self contained in the way that Blackbeard or Shanks or Akainu or Im arent themselves arent showing up to Egghead directly, there are multiple arcs after this.

 

[zenox]

Egghead Arc is another Similar Scenario.

1. SHs find themselves against CP-0, just like it happened with Igaram Team, Saruyama Alliance, Duval Crew & G5 .... etc
2. The Second Superior Group shows up (Saturn's Fleet), just like Mr. 5, Bellamy Pirates, Celestial Dragons, PH Trio ... etc
3. Then Arc ends with Arrival of a much Bigger Threat who serves as a Warning for SHs, such as Robin, BB, Aokiji & Kizaru ... etc

i think the second superior group here will be york and the seraphims
as mid as york is , she is still an antagonist and she also suffered a brutal defeat
and here the looming threat is kizaru and the fleet who finally comes after the weak antagonist has been defeated
u always dont need to get a surprise introduction in an arc
kuma was introduced b4 moria even fought the strawhats with oars
but he was still the looming threat and a pretty big one

 

[Dickie D. Dick]

@TheAncientCenturion

He keep trying to ruin Kizaru with his curse.

 

[Jailer]

Saturn

 

[Salah WG]

i think the second superior group here will be york and the seraphims
as mid as york is , she is still an antagonist and she also suffered a brutal defeat
and here the looming threat is kizaru and the fleet who finally comes after the weak antagonist has been defeated
u always dont need to get a surprise introduction in an arc
kuma was introduced b4 moria even fought the strawhats with oars
but he was still the looming threat and a pretty big one

It's not about the Big Threat, Kizaru & Saturn are still this Arc's Main Antagonists
But before Start of every "New Objective", there is a Teaser Arc, and They always End with an Introduction that no one was Expecting.
It doesn't need to be someone We never seen them before or never got Mentioned before, but it's always someone whose Arrival wasn't expected by anyone on the Island.

Here are Luffy's Main Objectives throughout Story:

• Gather Enough Crew Members (Before entering Grand Line)
  • Preceded by Teaser that is Chapter 01 ---> Which Ended with Introduction of "Main Character" himself
• Enter Grand Line
  • Preceded by Teaser Arc in Loguetown ---> Which Ended with Surprise Arrival of "Dragon"
• Free Arabasta Kingdom from Baroque Works
  • Preceded by Teaser Arc in Whisky Peak ---> Which Ended with Surprise Arrival of "Robin"
• Discover Golden City on Sky Island
  • Preceded by Teaser Arc in Jaya ---> Which Ended with Surprise Reveal of "Blackbeard"
• Repair Going Merry/Spend Jaya Money (Which evolved into Saving Robin)
  • Preceded by Teaser Arc in Long Ring Long Land ---> Which Ended with Surprise Arrival of "Aokiji"
• Escape Florian Triangle
  • Preceded by Return To Water 7 Arc ---> Which Ended with Surprise Arrival of "Garp"
• Reunite With Crew (Which evolved into also trying to Save Ace)
  • Preceded by Saboady Arc ---> Which Ended with Surprise Arrival of "Kuma"
• Enter New World
  • Preceded by Fishmen Island Arc ---> Which Ended with Surprise Introduction of "Big Mom"
• Free Wano Kingdom from Kaidou (Which Evolved to also include Big Mom)
  • Preceded by Teaser Arc in Punk Hazard ---> Which Ended with Surprise Arrival of "Aokiji" (Again)

Now We are about to discover a "New Objective" for Luffy, and it's Preceded by Eggheard Arc.
So i believe it will End with a completely Unexpected Arrival or Introduction.
They are basically "Uninvited Guests" and are not Defeated or even Touched, They simply serve as "Warning" for what's to come.

 

[ShinichiMugi]

The Gorosei and Imu in general

 

[Cinera]

Or it could point to your favorite example you guys use all the time: Kuma in Thriller Bark. Nothing specifies Saturn will get involved during the actual Seige.

Saturn has been involved in Egghead from the very beginning and has been central to the plot of Egghead in a way that Kuma wasn't to the plot of Thriller Bark.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Saturn has been involved in Egghead from the very beginning and has been central to the plot of Egghead in a way that Kuma wasn't to the plot of Thriller Bark.

We are getting too 1:1 example on this stuff, it never works out with patterns people try to employ. The only thing we know is Saturn does not want to be involved at first, that lends credence that he may not be a Luffy fight to begin with

 

[Reborn]

What do you figure they'll do? Lafitte and Devon I'm guessing.

If Oda involved BBP then I think this situation might turn out to be a cat taking advantage of a fight between two monkeys



As of now, situation is Shs vs Marines so both of them have focus on eachother.

Both lafitte and Devon are cunning so oda bringing them makes me feel that they will take advantage of this situation to get hands on VP or york or mother flame with or without ancient robot if it's feasible.

 

[Paperchampion23]

If Oda involved BBP then I think this situation might turn out to be a cat taking advantage of a fight between two monkeys



As of now, situation is Shs vs Marines so both of them have focus on eachother.

Both lafitte and Devon are cunning so oda bringing them makes me feel that they will take advantage of this situation to get hands on VP or york or mother flame with or without ancient robot if it's feasible.

Imo, they at least leave with Caribou, who will tell them about Shirahoshi and Pluton. Imo, Blackbeard's probably the guy he's referring to (unless its the burned man since he's trying to hide his name or something)

I can imagine they only sailed to Egghead because he called them, otherwise, I assume they were trying to also kidnap VP.

 

[bluefire12]

Caribou boss

Maybe it a former rox pirate, legendary figure, or a d or a new rising star like Lord Jump Up or Number 92

 

[CensoredbyWG]

Zoro vs Kizaru makes the most sense.

Zoro and Luffy always fight Next level Opponent , they never Fight someone equal or weaker to their previous battles.

Saturn > Kizaru is a fact that some people deny.

1) Gorosei are confirmed to Zoan Holders (I'll go as far as saying they are all Over powered Mythical Zoan). They ain't a case like Orochi was.
Just by having a Mythical zoan on your arsenal Sends you at YC1 levels. Look at marco.

2) Luffy crew is recognised as Yonkou level. One admiral will never be enough to take it down. Aramaki Himself said he wouldn't have if Kaido was still reigning as supreme commander. People might make arguments like Kizaru>Aramaki but Even if they were to fight it will be a extreme fight. Admirals strength is no joke but they are still weaker than Yonkou at the end of the day. Sending Kizaru is pointless. Each buster call has Admiral in its middle , but This time , it's specifically said Current crew is larger than an average Buster call.

And Luffy will fight Saturn.

Yonkou > Admiral , Makes no sense from luffystans who claim Luffy > Kaido , but will now fight Kizaru who is weaker than Kaido. Luffy's gains nothing out of it. There would be barely any power struggle over here. If Kaido was High Duffing Admiral , Luffy should be able to Mid-High diff , which makes his fight featless and boring.

Neither Zoro or Luffy has ever fought someone weaker than their previous Opponent.

And for people saying Zoro will fight Vice admirals.
It's dumb , Kaido himself Said "Adcoc" is only for the strongest among the Strong known people in one piece World.

No vice admiral even with DF hax can surpass any of the Yonkou First commanders. Marco , Benn , King , Kata , Zoro all of them are gonna Fodderise them.

We already saw what VA was capable of in Marineford , even with haki restraint , current YC1 are haki wise beyond Average VA (king being an exception).

Zoro gains nothing from this fight either , even with all 9 VA jumping on Zoro in a 1 v 9 , Zoro wins this.

Why Zoro vs Kizaru makes more sense?
1) Kizaru is kept on matched with YC1's.

1. Marineford - only Marco got into a fight with Kizaru , WB didn't even touch him. Only reason Marco was busted because He was put on Sea stones and he was busy with other task in Marineford at the same time. He might have lost but it was mid diff fight regardless.
2. End of Marineford - benn was matched with Benn not shanks , Kizaru took a back himself , Ben might have pushed him to High diff but would have loose again.
3. Archaeology - he was matched with Rayleigh

2) Zoro needs to improve CoO , who could be better than this than a Light logia user himself. It's a challenge for Zoro , Zoro will take it regardless because he always looks for the way to get stronger.

3) Archaeology Flashback, Payback Basically. Kizaru bullied injured Zoro there. No way Zoro not taking revenge on them.

4) Zoro ain't scared of Admirals , He was ready to throw hands with Fujitora in Dressrosa. He might loose in a high diff at that time but Current Zoro , no way.

5) Out of all the OG admirals , Only Kizaru uses Sword to fight. Akainu and Aokiji are brute strength Character.


Reason why people don't want Zoro to fight Kizaru
1) they are afraid he will be stronger than their fav except characters like Akainu , Mihawk , Shanks.

2) Sanji stans pushing the agenda Because The "Gag" Rivalry between Zoro and Sanji will increase.

3) all the Adcoc users are ridiculously strong but people still refuses to put Zoro in that list God knows why. Him fighting an admiral will just cement it into people brain.

4) YC1 Wankers like Kata and other Wanker don't want this because Zoro as a YC1 will surpass them by a huge margin but it's a canon fact that he will always be better than them. Look at the portrayal of Rayeligh and Benn. These YC1's are built different. Kata , King , Marco , will be left behind by a huge scale.

5) Zoro will increase his CoO level to FS which is a problem to a lot of people.

6) people think he will take Luffy shine as MC , but no as I said Yonkou > Admiral. He already have Kaidou defeat Under his belt.

Zoro vs Kizaru makes the Most sense over here.

luffy fight is Saturn , A zoan user , No way he doesn't know haki , He scars Confirms he's been into battle multiple times. Bald Gorosei has Kitetsu 1 WHICH is a cursed sword in itself and yet it choose Gandhi as his wielders , they are haki monsters themselves.

After all this , If oda Decides to Not draw Zoro vs Kizaru , it's bad writing at this point. Wano was ruined for this reason only. rather than Exploiting Luffy and Giving him multiple L in front of Kaido , ZKK was a better Option. Zoro literally said He wants to cut kaido and moment he tapped into KoH he was well capable of it.
As I have already said , If after ZKK , ZKK 2.0 doesn't happen. I'm done with the show.

And for people coming up reasons like Luffy fights Admiral , Yonkou , warlord First. It's bullshit.

1) Zoro fought Mihawk first > Luffy fighting Crocodile (Won due to plot armour) , Luffy couldn't have won against Mihawk either.

2) Zoro and Luffy both Fought Kaido on rooftop but both lost again. Luffy didn't do shit damage to Kaido after Zoro went down , Luffy himself Was drowning next chapter.
Do not bring up kaido in Act 1 and Bigmam face off.
If you do , Zoro already was ready to throw hands with Fujitora in Dressrosa.

3) Luffy wanting to beat Admiral , only meant Akainu , Luffy vs Akainu is Cemented since Marineford. Not all the admirals. Only the FLEET ADMIRAL. Why would Luffy Fight An admiral who is weaker then Fleet admiral. Luffy also said he wants to fight all 4 Yonkou , BB , Kaido , Shanks and Bigmam.
Bigmam was Taken down by Kid and law , no Luffy involvement. Shanks is predicted to be taken down by BB sooner or later and them fighting no makes sense either way unless evil shanks theory comes true.
Like Law and midd took down Bigmam which Luffy wanted as his goal , Zoro can Take down Kizaru as well. It's as simple as that.

Luffy gets the admiral, zoro fights VA and saturn shows up to neg everybody at the arc´s end.

This is thriller bark all over again.

 

[Extravlad]

Narratively speaking it can be Saturn in the same way that Spandam was ultimately the big bad of Ennies Lobby or that Sengoku was the big bad of Marineford even though Lucci/Akainu played more prominent roles.

But the one fighting Luffy is Kizaru

 

[Just a member]

There is a clear boss - subordinate relationship between Saturn and Kizaru, also admirals at this point are already old news and Luffy by defeating Kaido by achieving G5 has basically no threat from them anymore, Saturn on the other hand is a "mysterious monster" who has been teased recently, Oda expects readers ti be curious about his form and his true power, and honestly has no other reason to be at Egghead in person aside from fighting.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Saturn. Kizaru is RHM in this regard.

 

[Cinera]

The only thing we know is Saturn does not want to be involved at first, that lends credence that he may not be a Luffy fight to begin with

1. Apriori, we shouldn't expect things to go his way
2. He has just learned that York has been taken hostage and the Gorosei need her for the Mother Flame

Not clear to me he can afford not to get involved.

 

[L57]

Saturn is the capian,kizaru is the subordinate
Luffy is the capitan,zoro is a subordinate

 

[Salah WG]

It's not about the Big Threat, Kizaru & Saturn are still this Arc's Main Antagonists
But before Start of every "New Objective", there is a Teaser Arc, and They always End with an Introduction that no one was Expecting.
It doesn't need to be someone We never seen them before or never got Mentioned before, but it's always someone whose Arrival wasn't expected by anyone on the Island.

Here are Luffy's Main Objectives throughout Story:

• Gather Enough Crew Members (Before entering Grand Line)
  • Preceded by Teaser that is Chapter 01 ---> Which Ended with Introduction of "Main Character" himself
• Enter Grand Line
  • Preceded by Teaser Arc in Loguetown ---> Which Ended with Surprise Arrival of "Dragon"
• Free Arabasta Kingdom from Baroque Works
  • Preceded by Teaser Arc in Whisky Peak ---> Which Ended with Surprise Arrival of "Robin"
• Discover Golden City on Sky Island
  • Preceded by Teaser Arc in Jaya ---> Which Ended with Surprise Reveal of "Blackbeard"
• Repair Going Merry/Spend Jaya Money (Which evolved into Saving Robin)
  • Preceded by Teaser Arc in Long Ring Long Land ---> Which Ended with Surprise Arrival of "Aokiji"
• Escape Florian Triangle
  • Preceded by Return To Water 7 Arc ---> Which Ended with Surprise Arrival of "Garp"
• Reunite With Crew (Which evolved into also trying to Save Ace)
  • Preceded by Sabaody Arc ---> Which Ended with Surprise Arrival of "Kuma"
• Enter New World
  • Preceded by Fishmen Island Arc ---> Which Ended with Surprise Introduction of "Big Mom"
• Free Wano Kingdom from Kaidou (Which Evolved to also include Big Mom)
  • Preceded by Teaser Arc in Punk Hazard ---> Which Ended with Surprise Arrival of "Aokiji" (Again)

Now We are about to discover a "New Objective" for Luffy, and it's Preceded by Eggheard Arc.
So i believe it will End with a completely Unexpected Arrival or Introduction.
They are basically "Uninvited Guests" and are not Defeated or even Touched, They simply serve as "Warning" for what's to come.

@Paperchampion23 I already answered you here.
Do you understand what a Surprise Introduction is?

Name me One Person from Loguetown who expected Dragon to be there?
Answer same question for Whiskey Peak & Robin? Same question for Jaya & Blackbeard?
Long Ring Land & Aokiji? Water 7 & Garp? Sabaody & Kuma? Punk Hazard & Aokiji again?

These Characters are like Guests in their respective Arcs, Unrelated to it's Main Plot.
Saturn/Kizaru don't fit this Description at all, not even close, They are instead the Main Obstacle of the Arc, almost every Chapter was preparing us for them.

And those Characters i mentioned are Stronger than Villains who stand in SH's Way.
As i said, they represent a Warning for Unprecedented Danger, which Oda always uses to Hype the Upcoming Major Plot.

 

[comrade]

Someone else entering the scene doesn't sound far fetched. I would call neither Kizaru nor Saturn "big bad". Saturn's only purpose is, most likely, to
1) Take back control of the Seraphim
2) Somehow counteract Vegapunk's science based defense mechanisms with his own scientific knowledge

The Gorosei won't just step out of their home turf to fight. They haven't even expected the strawhats to gain the upper hand, they thought they will just come for the leftovers.