Character Discussion Why are people disrespecting Sanji for asking for help when Zoro did the same thing?

Is Sanji wrong for asking Robin for help?


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Peroroncino

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N1ggas be bitching about Sanji throwing his pride away for Robin since he's always the one that saves the Strawhats' asses all the time (saving Zoro from a cage in Fishman Island, saving half of the crew from Doflamingo, saving Luffy in WCI, saving the Strawhats in Enies Lobby, saving Usopp twice from Enel and Jabra, etc.) and people got mad because he needs help from a girl against an opponent that he can't even fight.
And plus, people already know that Robin is in Wano so if CP0 already know about it then it's not Sanji's fault for leaking the information out. And Robin already thank Sanji for following her plan. But hey, you do you.
Sanji literally yelled robin's exact location to the entirety of kaido's army to cp0 and to the 2 yonko if robin gets captured it will be sanji's fault,but don't mind me i'm sure you all will try to excuse the inexcusable just like you are doing with sanji's snitching.
 
Why always compare zoro to sanji,zoro's ambition makes him well above him EOS, (and even post TS the gap has widened between the two)

All I ask is that sanji stop taking L's, but if you really believe that sanji is going to do better than zoro you will be disappointed:specialmeh:

I understand the treatment Sanji got in this chapter,he learned to trust his friends BUT,it's the way it's done that's dumb

HeLp mE RoBin ChAn :lawsigh:
 

Peroroncino

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Why always compare zoro to sanji,zoro's ambition makes him well above him EOS, (and even post TS the gap has widened between the two)

All I ask is that sanji stop taking L's, but if you really believe that sanji is going to do better than zoro you will be disappointed:specialmeh:

I understand the treatment Sanji got in this chapter,he learned to trust his friends BUT,it's the way it's done that's dumb

HeLp mE RoBin ChAn :lawsigh:
He has always trusted his friends even in ennies lobby he trusted usopp to save robin. He also trusted luffy to beat katakuri.
 
Differences in the two situations
1. One is done in enemy territory -zoro in a rival
2. One is done where people are trying to kill you the other is not(mihawk let zoro live in baratie chef therefor he didnt want to kill him)
3. One has a choice the other didnt(zoro had no choice in going to the island
4.one is mid war the other isnt
5. Sanji doing it for selfish reasons -zoro is the opposite
6. Sanji did it because hes flawed- zoro did it because he wanted to get stronger
7. Sanji was caught- zoro was free to go
8. Sanji nerfed himself by getting hit -zoro didnt
9. Sanji risked his crew- zoro didnt
10. Sanji relayed on his crew- zoro did it himself without invloving anyone
11. Sanji got low diffed by a spider web -Zoro didnt
12. Sanji humiliated his whole crew (even heat called him pathetic ), Zoro didnt
13. Sanji didnt do it for an end goal -zoro did it to become stronger
14 sanji did it because of his morals- zoro did it against his morals
15. Sanji did it with himself in mind -zoro did it with his captain and crew in mind
16 sanji got beaten to a pulp -zoro didint
17. Sanji lured a crewmate to a trap -zoro didnt
18 sanji didnt follow his captains orders ( he was supposed to escort him to roof) -zoro followed his captain order( luffy asked him to 2 year TS and get stronger)
19 . Sanji could have ran and done everything in his power to get to helping - zoro was trying to get back to his captain until the moment he seen the newspaper
20. Sanji was weaker at the end of this - zoro grew stronger

Youre welcome
Part 2
21. Sanji was lured into a trap which is what made him end at the situation - Zoro wasnt
22. Sanji asked to be saved - Zoro asked to be trained
23. Sanji did it because of a mental weakness - Zoro did it because of a physical weakness ( zoro wanted to get stronger physically sanji did it because hes flawed)
24 . Sanji gave up on trying getting away on his own - Zoro did it because he doesnt want to give up on his dream
25. Sanji cried at the end of it - Zoro stood tall and proud at the end of it

Youre welcome
 
Part 2
21. Sanji was lured into a trap which is what made him end at the situation - Zoro wasnt
22. Sanji asked to be saved - Zoro asked to be trained
23. Sanji did it because of a mental weakness - Zoro did it because of a physical weakness ( zoro wanted to get stronger physically sanji did it because hes flawed)
24 . Sanji gave up on trying getting away on his own - Zoro did it because he doesnt want to give up on his dream
25. Sanji cried at the end of it - Zoro stood tall and proud at the end of it

Youre welcome
damn...
i am arresting you for killing the sanji fandom @ZoroSlaysDragonTuna
 

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Sanji literally yelled robin's exact location to the entirety of kaido's army to cp0 and to the 2 yonko if robin gets captured it will be sanji's fault,but don't mind me i'm sure you all will try to excuse the inexcusable just like you are doing with sanji's snitching.

CP0 is considered the secret organization of the World Government. What gives you the right to say that CP0 DOESN'T know Robin is here in Wano? They literally say that all the Strawhats are here in the war including Robin. It's not Sanji's fault for leaking out Robin's location since they already knew anyway. If Robin gets captured then that's her fault, don't bring Sanji into this. Sanji protected the crew for way too much (saving Zoro's ass in Fishman Island, saving Luffy's ass in WCI, saving Usopp's ass in Skypiea and Enies Lobby, etc.) and it's the other Strawhats's time to save Sanji this time and Robin just have to be there to save Sanji from an enemy that he can't fight. Robin trusted Sanji for this and Brook knew that. Apparently when Pedro die, it's Sanji's fault even though Pedro was willing to sacrifice himself to saves the Strawhats, apparently it's Sanji's fault for bringing Big Mom to Wano even though Luffy personally declared against her. Like come on.

Zoro isnt making a mistake asking Mihawk for help

Thats like saying Luffy is making a mistake asking Rayleigh for help
Then why's Sanji the one that get blame? Some kind of secret agenda that I don't even know?!?!?
 
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Btw folks what @Inflamed Haki just committed in the OP is one of the more common errors in logic:

Others have already demonstrated why so.


I would also set aside the question of it being wrong, that’s not the main problem. The real issue is how this was all written.

You see Sanji from went this:


To this:



You cannot look at this and say that this is not a regression in writing from Oda’s part. The overly chilvarous side of Sanji vs women will never change, but you can clearly see a difference in how its handled vs Kalifa. Since when was defending himself not an option on the table? Instead Oda somehow thinks having him get folded and yelling out to Robin is a good utilization of his chivalry.

And perhaps the most telling is that this Sanji/Black Maria clownshow could’ve been scratched out and nothing would’ve really changed. The reason this all went down was to set up Robin vs Black Maria. If this was all that came outta this then there was really no reason to trash on Sanji like that when you could’ve found numerous other ways of setting up Robin vs Black Maria. You don’t trash a character like this just to move the plot towards a certain goal.

At the end of the day it just doesn’t look good on Sanji, no amount of fallacious equivalences and poor justification will change that.
 
Btw folks what @Inflamed Haki just committed in the OP is one of the more common errors in logic:

Others have already demonstrated why so.


I would also set aside the question of it being wrong, that’s not the main problem. The real issue is how this was all written.

You see Sanji from went this:


To this:



You cannot look at this and say that this is not a regression in writing from Oda’s part. The overly chilvarous side of Sanji vs women will never change, but you can clearly see a difference in how its handled vs Kalifa. Since when was defending himself not an option on the table? Instead Oda somehow thinks having him get folded and yelling out to Robin is a good utilization of his chivalry.

And perhaps the most telling is that this Sanji/Black Maria clownshow could’ve been scratched out and nothing would’ve really changed. The reason this all went down was to set up Robin vs Black Maria. If this was all that came outta this then there was really no reason to trash on Sanji like that when you could’ve found numerous other ways of setting up Robin vs Black Maria. You don’t trash a character like this just to move the plot towards a certain goal.

At the end of the day it just doesn’t look good on Sanji, no amount of fallacious equivalences and poor justification will change that.
Damn, he kicked Kalifa down? Now he lies there and takes it like a dead fish? Did he get fucked by okamas during the timeskip?
Why he like this? Sanji and Sanji bros need rehab.
 
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