General & Others Why do people HATE ability Countering All of a sudden?
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Enel got beat up by Luffy cause of his extreme god complex. Croc got beat up by Luffy cause of his arrogance and thinking Luffy was trash. Lucci got beat up by Luffy cause of his blood thirsty nature and allowing Luffy to live. All of their shortcomings were because of their personalities and background, against an opponent who is a threat to them. Even for Magellan, who was league's above Luffy in ID was brought to his knees cause he underestimated Luffy. Same goes for Mr3 who could stop Magellan's attacks when Croc and Jinbe couldn't but Mr3 was still powerless, which is very consistent with the narrative.
BM on the other hand is stated to be intelligent yet short tempered. She getting knocked around 24/7 by people WAY below her level(and had to get nerfed as an excuse for Jinbe or Chopper to do something) and portrayed to be powerless to stop their shenanigans(like Robin rolling her outside). BM could have easily stopped it.
It's not like BM vs Brooke; Brooke countered BM but he's clearly no match for her. He only lasted so long cause BM underestimated him and wanted him alive for her collection. That makes perfect sense.
BM on the other hand is stated to be intelligent yet short tempered. She getting knocked around 24/7 by people WAY below her level(and had to get nerfed as an excuse for Jinbe or Chopper to do something) and portrayed to be powerless to stop their shenanigans(like Robin rolling her outside). BM could have easily stopped it.
It's not like BM vs Brooke; Brooke countered BM but he's clearly no match for her. He only lasted so long cause BM underestimated him and wanted him alive for her collection. That makes perfect sense.
Kin'emon says "There's no fire I cannot cut"
Kin'emon cuts Dragon fire
This is INCONSISTENT AND ILLOGICAL. How?
Oden cuts Kaido using ryo
Kin'emon cuts Kaido with Ryo
This is INCONSISTENT AND ILLOGICAL. How.
Please I'm asking. What mechanics in the story gave you the impression that Kin'emon can cut fire BUT NOT DRAGON FIRE?
Also what mechanics in the story say that Oden usigr Ryou to cut Kaido means NO ONE ELSE WITH RYOU can cut Kaido as well?
I want you to show your train of logic here
Kin'emon cuts Dragon fire
This is INCONSISTENT AND ILLOGICAL. How?
Oden cuts Kaido using ryo
Kin'emon cuts Kaido with Ryo
This is INCONSISTENT AND ILLOGICAL. How.
Please I'm asking. What mechanics in the story gave you the impression that Kin'emon can cut fire BUT NOT DRAGON FIRE?
Also what mechanics in the story say that Oden usigr Ryou to cut Kaido means NO ONE ELSE WITH RYOU can cut Kaido as well?
I want you to show your train of logic here
The thing is, we've only seen Big Mom put her guard up twice I believe. The first time was when she was attacked by G4, and the second time was when she clashed with Kaido. Both times against people she perceived as threats.
Every other time we've seen her get attacked, she would just take it, and shrug it off. No attempts to dodge or block whatsoever. Oda doesn't do things without just reason. There is always an inverse explanation to why things unfold the way they do. He's not treating Big Mom the way he does simply for gags (That's part of the reason), but he's doing it, because it's meant to be inline with her character.
Every other time we've seen her get attacked, she would just take it, and shrug it off. No attempts to dodge or block whatsoever. Oda doesn't do things without just reason. There is always an inverse explanation to why things unfold the way they do. He's not treating Big Mom the way he does simply for gags (That's part of the reason), but he's doing it, because it's meant to be inline with her character.
Never said Kinemon shouldn't be able to cut fire.
-Kinemon can cut fire
-Kinemon has ACOA
-Kaido didnt expect him to be able to that
The issue is due to the plot and PIS that allows Kinemon to achieve that, given how under normal circumstances Kaido would annihilate them all no problem.
-Kaido isnt using full strength
-Kaido isn't using haki
-Kaido is still casual and careless with them despite having the Ryou of the man who almost killed him
Well then your problem isn't the point of this thread
I'm talking about people saying hard counters shouldn't exist if a character is SO STRONG. Like Nami shouldn't be able to Steal Zues since he's an Emperor's power as if that somehow means Nami's abilities just don't work because the term "Emperor" is being used
I'm talking about people saying hard counters shouldn't exist if a character is SO STRONG. Like Nami shouldn't be able to Steal Zues since he's an Emperor's power as if that somehow means Nami's abilities just don't work because the term "Emperor" is being used
Ability countering is a fine thing, it just has to work from a writing perspective.
Let's take HxH for example: Nen is a near perfect power system, where all kinds of countering can happen in an organic and believable way.
In OP's case, Oda has really devalued DFs more and more with the introduction and evolution of haki.
Having a DF ability, which was so cool in the past, simply doesn't matter one bit anymore. Just slap advanced CoO and CoA on a character and this character instantly becomes a top tier, who utterly destroys all logia users we've seen so far (except for the admirals, who could defend themselves because they have *drum roll* advanced haki, too).
Let's take HxH for example: Nen is a near perfect power system, where all kinds of countering can happen in an organic and believable way.
In OP's case, Oda has really devalued DFs more and more with the introduction and evolution of haki.
Having a DF ability, which was so cool in the past, simply doesn't matter one bit anymore. Just slap advanced CoO and CoA on a character and this character instantly becomes a top tier, who utterly destroys all logia users we've seen so far (except for the admirals, who could defend themselves because they have *drum roll* advanced haki, too).
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