General & Others Why have we not seen a single character who aspires to be WSS?
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Combat related ambitions are often given lack of focus, such as not a single soul wanting to go after WB's title directly.
But it is by default because of scope of such titles.
Like you don't need to be gunning for WB to be WSM, you need to be strongest to be WSM. So if you are a fighter and you are getting stronger, and trying to be as strong as you possibly can be, innate goal has to be strongest in the world.
If you are practicing swordsmanship as a kid like Shanks has, innate goal has to be Strongest swordsman in the world.
A title like Pirate King requires specific efforts, you can't just become Pirate King by chance. Even if you are strong enough to be pirate king, talented enough to be pirate king, have leadership skills of Pirate King, you won't be pirate king until you get the poneglyphs and go to Raftel.
Yonkou is same kinda title as Pirate King yet no one wants it.
So @Rosella.Fiamingo we should really be asking why no one wants to become an emperor?
But it is by default because of scope of such titles.
Like you don't need to be gunning for WB to be WSM, you need to be strongest to be WSM. So if you are a fighter and you are getting stronger, and trying to be as strong as you possibly can be, innate goal has to be strongest in the world.
If you are practicing swordsmanship as a kid like Shanks has, innate goal has to be Strongest swordsman in the world.
A title like Pirate King requires specific efforts, you can't just become Pirate King by chance. Even if you are strong enough to be pirate king, talented enough to be pirate king, have leadership skills of Pirate King, you won't be pirate king until you get the poneglyphs and go to Raftel.
Yonkou is same kinda title as Pirate King yet no one wants it.
So @Rosella.Fiamingo we should really be asking why no one wants to become an emperor?
He used a thrusting attack. You’d use the exact same method with a sword.
-He wields a blade that can be classified as a long sword.
-his main rivals themselves are swordsman.
- His DF also would seemly be more Beneficial used as a sword, then an actual pole weapon. Ex would be anytime he used his df
Seems like a pretty solid indication WB himself. Could be a proficient swordsman himself.
-He wields a blade that can be classified as a long sword.
-his main rivals themselves are swordsman.
- His DF also would seemly be more Beneficial used as a sword, then an actual pole weapon. Ex would be anytime he used his df
Seems like a pretty solid indication WB himself. Could be a proficient swordsman himself.
For me its the fact that WB seems hybrid of brawler and bisento user but in the most dire situation like towards the end of MF he stuck to brawling by punching Akainu and the air as hard as he could.
He isn't even introduced as a swordsman like someone like Fuji is.
With Roger and Shanks, they are straight up pure swordsmen.
He isn't even introduced as a swordsman like someone like Fuji is.
With Roger and Shanks, they are straight up pure swordsmen.
The topic of this thread is interesting.
I think no one alive but Zoro cares to be WSS because Oda wanted to show us that your dream does not necessarily have to be world-changing for you to change your life. It could be something personal like Zoro's, not world-shattering like Luffy's or Robin's, but if you devote yourself to it and do not let the highs & lows of your journey to waylay you and instead use them to change yourself to be better & stronger, you will eventually fulfill your dream and then you can stand on equal ground even with people whose aspirations set the world on fire.
Besides, having a personal dream should be relatable for most of us. I mean, how many among us want to change the world? I think our dreams are mostly personal instead of world-changing and having someone who represents a more personal goal in the SH crew speaks to the fact that the story of One Piece belongs to all of us, be it those who want to redefine our world or those who wish to settle for more personal dreams.
Just my two cents.
I think no one alive but Zoro cares to be WSS because Oda wanted to show us that your dream does not necessarily have to be world-changing for you to change your life. It could be something personal like Zoro's, not world-shattering like Luffy's or Robin's, but if you devote yourself to it and do not let the highs & lows of your journey to waylay you and instead use them to change yourself to be better & stronger, you will eventually fulfill your dream and then you can stand on equal ground even with people whose aspirations set the world on fire.
Besides, having a personal dream should be relatable for most of us. I mean, how many among us want to change the world? I think our dreams are mostly personal instead of world-changing and having someone who represents a more personal goal in the SH crew speaks to the fact that the story of One Piece belongs to all of us, be it those who want to redefine our world or those who wish to settle for more personal dreams.
Just my two cents.
Because Oda has the naïveté to thought that his readers would be intelligent enough to understand that every swordsman is aiming to be the WSS because every swordsman is aiming to be the best in their field. Like every martial artist is aiming to be the best in their respective martial art.
It is the very essence of martial art.
Furthermore, he made one of the main character aimes for that said title, therefore he might have thought that it would be enough to make the readers understand how important the title is.
How foolish of him
The sad part is that it is not the 13 years old audience (the aimed audience for One Piece) that is confused, no it is the grown ass men that are. All of that because Mihawk’s title put him above their fav’
It is the very essence of martial art.
Furthermore, he made one of the main character aimes for that said title, therefore he might have thought that it would be enough to make the readers understand how important the title is.
How foolish of him
The sad part is that it is not the 13 years old audience (the aimed audience for One Piece) that is confused, no it is the grown ass men that are. All of that because Mihawk’s title put him above their fav’
What I would have really liked is Zoro getting his own pupil. A huge Zoro fanboy who would beg him to teach him the way of the sword because he’d be convinced Zoro is the next WSS and his dream would be to walk in his footsteps and defeat Zoro one day or another to become the next WSS after Zoro.
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LOL, honestly that bothers me, the only swordsmen who looked somewhat interested in that title were:
- Vista (in marineford he kinda hinted it)
- Maybe Shanks when he used to duel with Mihawk
And BOTH are good people on the good side as of now, making it hard to believe that Zoro will clash with any of them as a stepping stone before Mihawk
In fact, would have been more interesting if AT LEAST he has one rival for the title, but no one?
- Vista (in marineford he kinda hinted it)
- Maybe Shanks when he used to duel with Mihawk
And BOTH are good people on the good side as of now, making it hard to believe that Zoro will clash with any of them as a stepping stone before Mihawk
In fact, would have been more interesting if AT LEAST he has one rival for the title, but no one?
No they describe Kaido as that. The narrator specific call says for Kaido "He's said to be the WSC". The narrator has never done that for Mihawk.
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@Chrono
Liffy became fifth emperor because he did EMPEROR LIKE THINGS. He invaded another emperor territory. He gathered thousands of men and multiple islands under his name. And he has ridiculously powerful allies like Sabo and the revolutionaries.
So according to you, Mihawk must has done WSS type things too?
Examples?
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@Chrono
Liffy became fifth emperor because he did EMPEROR LIKE THINGS. He invaded another emperor territory. He gathered thousands of men and multiple islands under his name. And he has ridiculously powerful allies like Sabo and the revolutionaries.
So according to you, Mihawk must has done WSS type things too?
Examples?
So there's not been any dramatic value to any of Zoro's fights for the last 1000 chapters then?
Okay does that apply to Luffy too? Is there no dramatic value to Luffy vs Lucci , cause Lucci didn't give a shit about One piece? Or would Lucci vs luffy have been BETTER if Lucci wanted One piece too for some reason
Okay does that apply to Luffy too? Is there no dramatic value to Luffy vs Lucci , cause Lucci didn't give a shit about One piece? Or would Lucci vs luffy have been BETTER if Lucci wanted One piece too for some reason
My goodness
When I said "there will be more dramatic value" it doesn't mean Zoro fights had no dramatic value
I simply mean that it can ADD even more dramatic value on top of what it has
Making it even more special than what it is already!
Hope you got the point!
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Zoro's dream isn't actually something easy to comprehend, I think!
Sure, on the surface, it's just a title about strength, what does he gain from that???? That's your point!
But eventually, even political goals ypu mentioned ALSO fall into same category, cause even after you gain political power, it's still a status and power, but what's Beyond that point??? After you achieve that position? What's next? Cause this is human nature, after you achieve certain goal, you look for something after it! Otherwise, you will feel a void!
I think this is correlates to Ace perfectly! Ace first dream is to make a name for himself far bigger than Roger, then he wanted to make WB king of pirates, and eventually, he found the true goal, which is self-satisfaction, by realizing that deserved to live!
I think that dreams that's about becoming strongest usually have some deeper hidden dream inside it, in other words, I think Zoro's true purpose and dream of living is YET to be revealed, it will be something BEYOND becoming WSS!
The best series that can explain that psychology is Hajime no Ippo, love that show!
When Ippo always questions "what does it mean to be strong?"
As he joined boxing because he wanted to find that answer!
And the coach even stated that what Ippo is looking for isn't something he can sense or grab or comprehended easily!
Also, let's remember BB line "a man's dream never end" for me that line felt like that there is ENDLESS dreams for a man, once he achieves something, he goes for the next, I don't interpret it as what others do!
This can also be seen with Roger, once he found laugh tale, he said he wished he lived in joyboy era and he also knows he's out of time for the upcoming events
And Luffy's role will not end once he reaches laugh tale either!
There is always a bigger hidden goal later!
When I said "there will be more dramatic value" it doesn't mean Zoro fights had no dramatic value
I simply mean that it can ADD even more dramatic value on top of what it has
Making it even more special than what it is already!
Hope you got the point!
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Zoro's dream isn't actually something easy to comprehend, I think!
Sure, on the surface, it's just a title about strength, what does he gain from that???? That's your point!
But eventually, even political goals ypu mentioned ALSO fall into same category, cause even after you gain political power, it's still a status and power, but what's Beyond that point??? After you achieve that position? What's next? Cause this is human nature, after you achieve certain goal, you look for something after it! Otherwise, you will feel a void!
I think this is correlates to Ace perfectly! Ace first dream is to make a name for himself far bigger than Roger, then he wanted to make WB king of pirates, and eventually, he found the true goal, which is self-satisfaction, by realizing that deserved to live!
I think that dreams that's about becoming strongest usually have some deeper hidden dream inside it, in other words, I think Zoro's true purpose and dream of living is YET to be revealed, it will be something BEYOND becoming WSS!
The best series that can explain that psychology is Hajime no Ippo, love that show!
When Ippo always questions "what does it mean to be strong?"
As he joined boxing because he wanted to find that answer!
And the coach even stated that what Ippo is looking for isn't something he can sense or grab or comprehended easily!
Also, let's remember BB line "a man's dream never end" for me that line felt like that there is ENDLESS dreams for a man, once he achieves something, he goes for the next, I don't interpret it as what others do!
This can also be seen with Roger, once he found laugh tale, he said he wished he lived in joyboy era and he also knows he's out of time for the upcoming events
And Luffy's role will not end once he reaches laugh tale either!
There is always a bigger hidden goal later!
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