Break Week Why is everyone so annoyed about the Zoro family tree reveal?
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You would've been right if Zoro was some side character who appears once every few arcs for a big fight or war.
Mfker is the 2nd most popular character in the manga and one of the most exploited Straw Hats per panel.
He deserved a little better than: "Here you go" type of info. No matter if he is a combatant or secretary.
As someone who read a lot, I wish you will understand.
Mfker is the 2nd most popular character in the manga and one of the most exploited Straw Hats per panel.
He deserved a little better than: "Here you go" type of info. No matter if he is a combatant or secretary.
As someone who read a lot, I wish you will understand.
I’ve already said this in much more coherent terms in several of the 20 threads about this subject currently flying around, Seth, you of all people should know I think Zoro deserves better 
I said it in THIS THREAD, @Seth 
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I’ve already said this in much more coherent terms in several of the 20 threads about this subject currently flying around, Seth, you of all people should know I think Zoro deserves better
This character has existed in his creator’s story for 25 entire real-life years and the most development he’s ever gotten occurred just now in an “Ask the author” comment section rather than in the canon…not only is it comically shitty writing, it’s an absolute travesty for anyone in OP but especially the deuteragonist 
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I’ve already said this in much more coherent terms in several of the 20 threads about this subject currently flying around, Seth, you of all people should know I think Zoro deserves better
Btw.
23 > 30. 
Oda: "Zoro doesn't even know about this"
Fandom: "But why didn't Oda dedicate a chapter to it in Wano?"
Where the fuck would the information have come from? Literally nobody knows. Not Zoro. Not anyone in Wano. Nobody.
For whatever reason, Zoro's Lineage was kept hidden from him by his village. It seems all he knows about is the Roronoa side of his family, and that's it.
There was nowhere in the Wano arc where a flashback could occur to reveal any of this. Oda realized that it wouldn't make any sense to include it there, so he left it out. But he also knows fans aren't stupid, and made the connection, and have been asking him questions, so he info dumped it in an SBS.
Fandom: "But why didn't Oda dedicate a chapter to it in Wano?"
Where the fuck would the information have come from? Literally nobody knows. Not Zoro. Not anyone in Wano. Nobody.
For whatever reason, Zoro's Lineage was kept hidden from him by his village. It seems all he knows about is the Roronoa side of his family, and that's it.
There was nowhere in the Wano arc where a flashback could occur to reveal any of this. Oda realized that it wouldn't make any sense to include it there, so he left it out. But he also knows fans aren't stupid, and made the connection, and have been asking him questions, so he info dumped it in an SBS.
I think Oda took a gamble with it, it is his story after all, he laid some connection before Zoro, Shimotsuki and Ryuma. However, Oda also made sure that he would not undermine Zoro's character and achievements by not giving him a straight up busted male father and grandfather etc. Zoro's grandparents and parents are not some strong swordsmen (something like Oden, Ryuma, Garp, Dragon), of course this might change later on (I don't expect to or at least I hope not).
While still having a connection to Wano and Ryuma, Zoro is still every inch his very own self made man through sheer hard work. And this is what many people really want, just a random kid who dreamed a big dream and achieved it through his own hard work.
While still having a connection to Wano and Ryuma, Zoro is still every inch his very own self made man through sheer hard work. And this is what many people really want, just a random kid who dreamed a big dream and achieved it through his own hard work.
Sigh I already explained this but the reason is simple his parents doesn't matter at all they are not important the only characters that matters to Zoro's goal and character are kouzaburo(his swords blacksmith)koushirou (his teacher)luffy and kuina (his captain and best friend and the most important persons for him)and possible to this tashigi (future wife?)these are like the ones who says that nami will have another backstory her parents were x......no nami past is also well explained with her adoptive mom sis and the fishmen
When One piece fans realize that importance is not inherent in anything within One Piece until Oda makes it important, they'll realize that saying so and so wasn't important actually doesn't mean anything. Oda CHOSE to not make it relevant and that shows how he thinks of Zoro as a character. He clearly doesn't enjoy writing him but understands that occasionally getting him off the bench to get his usual Mr. Big shot badass moments will keep the character not only relevant but really popular. Trust me if Oda was seeing a significant drop in this characters popularity he wouldn't continue to do this, but if it ain't broke don't fix it, Oda has a million ideas he needs to juggle so finding shortcuts for things is what he'll do.
This idea that Zoro is supposed to be a cold combat robot shows a lack of understanding in what his archetype is; a young ignorant man set off lost in the world with so much to learn about himself is looking to achieve something that will force him to become unordinary, but along the way he grows mentally, physically and spiritually through trials and obstacles that test him to the core so that he molds himself into a great man that not only deserves to achieve his dream but is a role model for those chasing theirs. Unfortunately Zoro is not going through this journey, he's stagnated and it's going to hurt the impact that achieving his dream should have; the man Zoro will be at the end of this story will not be much different than the man at the beginning and this doesn't do the archetype justice in my opinion.
This idea that Zoro is supposed to be a cold combat robot shows a lack of understanding in what his archetype is; a young ignorant man set off lost in the world with so much to learn about himself is looking to achieve something that will force him to become unordinary, but along the way he grows mentally, physically and spiritually through trials and obstacles that test him to the core so that he molds himself into a great man that not only deserves to achieve his dream but is a role model for those chasing theirs. Unfortunately Zoro is not going through this journey, he's stagnated and it's going to hurt the impact that achieving his dream should have; the man Zoro will be at the end of this story will not be much different than the man at the beginning and this doesn't do the archetype justice in my opinion.
Monster adaption dropped a cliffhanger. The bar worker in the end said people referred Ryuma as "Ryuma de King".
The keyword here is "de".
It's just like Film Red where it was heavily implied that Shanks is from the noble family and people were speculating ever since until it was confirmed in chapter 1086.
The keyword here is "de".
It's just like Film Red where it was heavily implied that Shanks is from the noble family and people were speculating ever since until it was confirmed in chapter 1086.
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This here is the true tragedy of Zoro’s character writing
There is absolutely no reason to believe that anything even remotely resembling a character arc will be given to Zoro as he accomplishes his dream
one of the main reasons so many people are disillusioned with Zoro’s dream is that there’s no sign that it will even affect Zoro as a character at all… Many people believe Zoro actually cares more about Luffy’s dream than his own so zoro accomplishing his own dream isn’t even expected to get a big reaction out of Zoro compared to Luffy accomplishing his… A bunch of other people think that Zoro’s goal has to be have some kind of added emotional twist like Someone kills Mihawk and that Zoro cares very much that mihawk died for whatever reason, in order to add external drama to the story because people have given up on Zoro himself having any internal drama if Zoro vs Mihawk plays out straight.
I don’t know whether people even realize this but a lot of this is just a general lack of faith in Oda as a storyteller… and this is lack of faith permeates SO MANY other plot points and characters besides Zoro… people legit don’t believe Oda will do certain things justice but instead of complaining about Oda’s writing, they just make up agendas to complain about with other people…like instead of acknowledging how badly written Haki is and how that contributes to how badly the power scale of the story is, people just pick agendas and start arguing about power scaling while ignoring that haki doesn’t even make sense most of the time in the story
There is absolutely no reason to believe that anything even remotely resembling a character arc will be given to Zoro as he accomplishes his dream
one of the main reasons so many people are disillusioned with Zoro’s dream is that there’s no sign that it will even affect Zoro as a character at all… Many people believe Zoro actually cares more about Luffy’s dream than his own so zoro accomplishing his own dream isn’t even expected to get a big reaction out of Zoro compared to Luffy accomplishing his… A bunch of other people think that Zoro’s goal has to be have some kind of added emotional twist like Someone kills Mihawk and that Zoro cares very much that mihawk died for whatever reason, in order to add external drama to the story because people have given up on Zoro himself having any internal drama if Zoro vs Mihawk plays out straight.
I don’t know whether people even realize this but a lot of this is just a general lack of faith in Oda as a storyteller… and this is lack of faith permeates SO MANY other plot points and characters besides Zoro… people legit don’t believe Oda will do certain things justice but instead of complaining about Oda’s writing, they just make up agendas to complain about with other people…like instead of acknowledging how badly written Haki is and how that contributes to how badly the power scale of the story is, people just pick agendas and start arguing about power scaling while ignoring that haki doesn’t even make sense most of the time in the story