Controversial Why is the Spoiler Section the most Toxic and Negative section of this site?

[Logiko]

It doesn't matter what I think, nor does it matter what you think.

That's what you don't understand.

I do understand. I understand that your critics (globally) are empty and filled with biases and expectations.
I understand that right now, you think you are making a genuise point. You are not. You are defending a problematic behavior.

It's simply about being free to express criticism and disappointment.

You are free to do what you want. I'm free to call out your BS and the reason why you are lead to think like that.

Is the criticism over the top at times? Sure, as is the blind praisal of Oda for redundant stuff on the other hand, too.

Not on this forum. Actually never on this forum. And I rarely see this in the overall fanbase as well. Everyone do critic One Piece when it needs to. You are inventing a blind group of fan just to spread hatred.

If you aren't completely immature, you should be able to swallow that pill (it's people argueing over a fictional story for teens, dude).

What you don't understand is that this hatred has political and social interaction. I don't care what you like or don't like, what I care about is the state of the fanbase and how this state can influences behaviors.

What you completely miss, is that I'm not trying to tell you that you are wrong because I do no agree, I'm trying to tell you that you are wrong, because this hatred that you (you as in this forum fanbase) are spreading is having an impact on the behaviors toward others fans, toward the authors, toward the person working on this franchise and can, ni the end, become the reason why we end up with a very toxic fanbase.

I'm talking here from experience, because I already witnessed this exact phenomena with other fanbase, who have become the hive of the most problematic behaviors.

It's not about me here.

Reality is that readers who aren't as emotionally invested in the story usually come to the same conclusion: Great shonen work, that started to show some problems the longer it got.

Nothing more, nothing less.

That's actually the opposite. Random readers do not come to this conclusion. This conclusion comes from long time fans who are so invested in the story that they create illegitimate expectations. And those expectation, when not met, create dissapointment and hatred.

You are completely missing the point here.

Most people love One Piece, the problem is a part of the fanbase who started to feel like they owned the story.

People gotta accept that there will always be negativity.

"the world gotta be hard, it's natural".. and you don't understand why we can't get along ?

Negativity is not a fatality. And good criticizm do not necessarily have to be negativity. I can for example talk about the problematic representations of One Piece without being negative.

The problem are the behaviors here.

All these sociopathic attempts to manipulate thoughts and feelings to be a certain way is inhumane as fuck.

"don't touch ma negativity, you inhuman person" Vibe.

There is absolutely nothing wrong in wanting to create an environment where critics will be positive instead of negative. Where the problems of the story will be constructive instead of destructive.

"The sociopathic and inhumane as F" thing to do is to consider that global negativity is the new normal and must not be touched.

So many people and forums have attempted to eliminate toxicity by way of suppressing certain opinions(even harmless), and all it did is create echo chambers of toxic, entitled, and unstable people who can't handle the slightest form of criticism.

"People who want a safe and constructive place are the toxic ones" vibe. Again.. proving why we can't get along.

Calling problematic a system that is simply more positive but that you can't stand because YOU HATE the story and it's NOT NORMAL that other people do not.

Stop reading One Piece really if you have so much problem being positive about it.

Of course they claim they support constructive criticism, but the criticism must be something they agree with or else it's toxic.

I think someone here once said "X is trash"' and didn't like when the moderator try to tell them to stop.

It's crazy how you are so ready to denounce ultra positive system that do not stand blind negative behavior but you HAVE TO post to express how triggered you feel toward push for more positivity each time I explain that this forum is a negative echo chamber.

I wonder if I really am a snowflake here...

It's never about getting rid of toxicity, but the things they simply don't like.

Like I've been proving here just how much I care about fighting against oppressions and negative behavior .. but no... after all this time, you are not happy (because I trigger you somehow) so you still have to make the excuses that I'm doing that just because I want to get rid of the things I don't like. (no one is dumb, everyone can see who you are talking about when you write random no quoted post just after I go on a rant)

But If i'm fighting against oppression and for more positivity... what do you think is the nature of the things I don't like ?

 

[Uncle Van]

I do understand. I understand that your critics (globally) are empty and filled with biases and expectations.
I understand that right now, you think you are making a genuise point. You are not. You are defending a problematic behavior.


You are free to do what you want. I'm free to call out your BS and the reason why you are lead to think like that.


Not on this forum. Actually never on this forum. And I rarely see this in the overall fanbase as well. Everyone do critic One Piece when it needs to. You are inventing a blind group of fan just to spread hatred.



What you don't understand is that this hatred has political and social interaction. I don't care what you like or don't like, what I care about is the state of the fanbase and how this state can influences behaviors.

What you completely miss, is that I'm not trying to tell you that you are wrong because I do no agree, I'm trying to tell you that you are wrong, because this hatred that you (you as in this forum fanbase) are spreading is having an impact on the behaviors toward others fans, toward the authors, toward the person working on this franchise and can, ni the end, become the reason why we end up with a very toxic fanbase.

I'm talking here from experience, because I already witnessed this exact phenomena with other fanbase, who have become the hive of the most problematic behaviors.

It's not about me here.



That's actually the opposite. Random readers do not come to this conclusion. This conclusion comes from long time fans who are so invested in the story that they create illegitimate expectations. And those expectation, when not met, create dissapointment and hatred.

You are completely missing the point here.

Most people love One Piece, the problem is a part of the fanbase who started to feel like they owned the story.



"the world gotta be hard, it's natural".. and you don't understand why we can't get along ?

Negativity is not a fatality. And good criticizm do not necessarily have to be negativity. I can for example talk about the problematic representations of One Piece without being negative.

The problem are the behaviors here.



"don't touch ma negativity, you inhuman person" Vibe.

There is absolutely nothing wrong in wanting to create an environment where critics will be positive instead of negative. Where the problems of the story will be constructive instead of destructive.

"The sociopathic and inhumane as F" thing to do is to consider that global negativity is the new normal and must not be touched.


"People who want a safe and constructive place are the toxic ones" vibe. Again.. proving why we can't get along.

Calling problematic a system that is simply more positive but that you can't stand because YOU HATE the story and it's NOT NORMAL that other people do not.

Stop reading One Piece really if you have so much problem being positive about it.


I think someone here once said "X is trash"' and didn't like when the moderator try to tell them to stop.

It's crazy how you are so ready to denounce ultra positive system that do not stand blind negative behavior but you HAVE TO post to express how triggered you feel toward push for more positivity each time I explain that this forum is a negative echo chamber.

I wonder if I really am a snowflake here...



Like I've been proving here just how much I care about fighting against oppressions and negative behavior .. but no... after all this time, you are not happy (because I trigger you somehow) so you still have to make the excuses that I'm doing that just because I want to get rid of the things I don't like. (no one is dumb, everyone can see who you are talking about when you write random no quoted post just after I go on a rant)

But If i'm fighting against oppression and for more positivity... what do you think is the nature of the things I don't like ?

All this manipulation and gaslighting aside, you outright declared you came to the forum to "get the toxic people banned.'' And seeing how your threshold for being toxic was thinking Carrot wasn't important or wasn't being a SH, it proves my point perfectly.

 

[Logiko]

All this manipulation and gaslighting aside

You are the one trying to do that here, not me. I'm fighting a systemic problem of negativity and you are trying to make me appear as a sociopath. Really not the brightest move.

you outright declared you came to the forum to "get the toxic people banned.'

Yes.

Getting rid of problematic people from this forum is indeed one of my purpose.

But since you are a gaslighter, you transformed that into "You are trying to bait people to get them banned"

And since I'm starting to get a little tired by all your constant galighting. Hhere is what was said and what was never said:

(It's not the first time that Van does this, this is something he does constantly, he takes something close to the truth, but with a subtility, and remove the subtility to make me says something completely different from what I primarily intended to say)

Because you see.. Van didn't like that I called out the behaviors (and frankly harrasment) of the Yamato fans toward Carrot fans on the nakama thread at the time. So he banned me. Not because I was toxic or said something bad, but because I was calling other "toxic" and I said that I would fight for those people to get the F out of this thread and or forum if necessary because I don't want the fanbase to become that type of place.

So Van tried to rationnalize this ban after the fact by explaining that I was baiting people to be d*ckheads. And of course, everyone follow his holiness and got even more problematic thus pushing me to - this time - question the system and the moderation instead of just people who were having bad behavior.

Yes.. in the end, this gaslighting of yours Van, is actually the reason why I'm trying to change the system of this forum in the first place.



The negative behaviors and this hatred that you see on the forum for One Piece, is helped by people like that. That consider that negative behavior are nothing problematic. That consider that negativity will always be here (and thus not seeing that it's already the new normal), and that consider that the status co must be maintained by trying to attack those who are fighting this negativity.

Van do not understand this, but this problem, this hatred for One Piece and the behaviors on this forum, are the consequences of a vision.

And now that I'm here, it has become a political problem.

 

[Uncle Van]

Geez the walls...you do you man. You can't stop people from having their own opinion of One Piece.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

You are the one trying to do that here, not me. I'm fighting a systemic problem of negativity and you are trying to make me appear as a sociopath. Really not the brightest move.



Yes.

Getting rid of problematic people from this forum is indeed one of my purpose.

But since you are a gaslighter, you transformed that into "You are trying to bait people to get them banned"

And since I'm starting to get a little tired by all your constant galighting. Hhere is what was said and what was never said:

(It's not the first time that Van does this, this is something he does constantly, he takes something close to the truth, but with a subtility, and remove the subtility to make me says something completely different from what I primarily intended to say)

Because you see.. Van didn't like that I called out the behaviors (and frankly harrasment) of the Yamato fans toward Carrot fans on the nakama thread at the time. So he banned me. Not because I was toxic or said something bad, but because I was calling other "toxic" and I said that I would fight for those people to get the F out of this thread and or forum if necessary because I don't want the fanbase to become that type of place.

So Van tried to rationnalize this ban after the fact by explaining that I was baiting people to be d*ckheads. And of course, everyone follow his holiness and got even more problematic thus pushing me to - this time - question the system and the moderation instead of just people who were having bad behavior.

Yes.. in the end, this gaslighting of yours Van, is actually the reason why I'm trying to change the system of this forum in the first place.



The negative behaviors and this hatred that you see on the forum for One Piece, is helped by people like that. That consider that negative behavior are nothing problematic. That consider that negativity will always be here (and thus not seeing that it's already the new normal), and that consider that the status co must be maintained by trying to attack those who are fighting this negativity.

Van do not understand this, but this problem, this hatred for One Piece and the behaviors on this forum, are the consequences of a vision.

And now that I'm here, it has become a political problem.

just put the fries in the bag buddy

 

[Starbound Beast D. Draig]

Getting rid of problematic people from this forum is indeed one of my purpose.

What a sad purpose, just get a life dude

You're achieving nothing that matters here.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

What a sad purpose, just get a life dude

You're achieving nothing that matters here.

He needs a job or a girl or both

 

[AL sama]

You will be able to teach me about immaturity when the majority of the post on this forum are not aimed at trashing blindly the story without any understanding of it. Is that clear ?

In the meantime, I've yet to see series of PERTINENT narrative critics on this forum about the manga.

You don't understand that this environment is the reason why the hate is growing. The hate is not growing because of the story. I've explained the phenomena already. It's all about inertia.


Not really no. There are little glimps of facilities here and there, it's true, no story are perfect, but real PERTINENT narrative criticizism, not really.



I'll stop having that opinion when I will see the majority people actually use the story or narration and not their expectations to criticize the story. I'll stop having that opinion when I will see the majority of people criticizing the story actually UNDERSTAND the point made by the story.

Right now. You have NO lessons to give me. You are on the side of blind criticism, in an environement that favors said blind criticism. I'll stop when I will not have to explain the majority of the plot to random wanabee analyst who think they are pertinent by calling a chapter trash because they saw Gear 5.



You don't want to have this debate with me. You will lose. Don't try.

carrot was suppose to join but oda made a mistake lol

you can't lose if you deny everything except your own opinions

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

Remember C4N already left forum until Bob created a thread about feminism which summoned him and he decided to stay since

 

[OPKnK]

To much power scaling with differnt groups name calling each other .
Which sometimes is be fun but some people carry it way to far and it end being toxic and stupid .
People disagree on story aspect is such small aspect of things being toxic on here .

Forget to mention this not just a internet thing some places is just be more toxic .
Reddit is be less toxic than here and twitter is be worst than here lol
Then again twitter is the most toxic place for anime and manga discussion and a shit load of other things .

 

[Logiko]

Geez the walls...you do you man. You can't stop people from having their own opinion of One Piece.

I don't mind different opinion. It's ok. Blind negativity and negative behavior on the other hand are not really a different opinion.

I saying this because this already happened, we know how bad can fanbase become when their expectations are not met and negative behavior start to rise.

It's already starting here, and we don't want that. You don't that, trust me.

just put the fries in the bag buddy

Yeah.. that's what I think I'll say to my local kebbab provider. Can't stand wet fries.

What a sad purpose, just get a life dude

You're achieving nothing that matters here

Don't be so sure :)

I'm the reason why there is a political section in the first place.

Oh get real. It's a hobby being here. People who like to clean their areas when they do a hobby is normal.

It's like if you played basketball and nobody ever called a foul

It's always a hobby until it hurts someone.

carrot was suppose to join but oda made a mistake lol

Not necessarily. For the moment, it's not a mistake.

Remember C4N already left forum until Bob created a thread about feminism which summoned him and he decided to stay since

Never left. I asked TAC to create a political section that I deemed necessary. And that I would leave if there was none. He asked me to wait. I waited.

He did it, so I stayed :)

 

[Starbound Beast D. Draig]

I'm the reason why there is a political section in the first place.

I don't think this is something to be proud about

 

[AL sama]

Not necessarily. For the moment, it's not a mistake.

you said it yourself but eh why do I care lol

 

[Logiko]

you said it yourself but eh why do I care lol

What I said is this :
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Many people interpreted those panels as an error from Oda. And it could be. If Oda ends One Piece and we never see Carrot again out on adventure, yes, this will be a big mistake. It would mean that Oda didn't pay enough attention to the character's development inertia of Carrot and let the ship crash on Zou.

But that's only if Carrot doesn't come back... What if she does ? This what I theorized Here.

I don't think this is something to be proud about

Politicizing a forum ? Trust me, this is something to be proud of. Even if it can backfire.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

It's always a hobby until it hurts someone.

hurts who? hurts them how?

 

[Uncle Van]

just put the fries in the bag buddy

What a sad purpose, just get a life dude

You're achieving nothing that matters here.

Seriously....all this time because he assumed I was the one who banned him? And fabricated an entire story(me protecting Yamato fans for some reason) to justify it? Fuckin' hell....

I don't mind different opinion. It's ok. Blind negativity and negative behavior on the other hand are not really a different opinion.

I saying this because this already happened, we know how bad can fanbase become when their expectations are not met and negative behavior start to rise.

It's already starting here, and we don't want that. You don't that, trust me.



Yeah.. that's what I think I'll say to my local kebbab provider. Can't stand wet fries.



Don't be so sure :)

I'm the reason why there is a political section in the first place.



It's always a hobby until it hurts someone.




Not necessarily. For the moment, it's not a mistake.



Never left. I asked TAC to create a political section that I deemed necessary. And that I would leave if there was none. He asked me to wait. I waited.

He did it, so I stayed :)

Whatever

 

[Logiko]

hurts who? hurts them how?

I have a thread coming to explain that in detail. This is indeed something that I never really developped here. I don't think it will help but it will be a start

all this time because he assumed I was the one who banned him?

No. Weither it was you or someone else doesn't count. This day I realized that toxicity was enabled by the system. It was a systemic and structural problem and not just something that bad people did.

This realization was actually quite enlightening. I lowkey thank you guyz for that.

And fabricated an entire story(me protecting Yamato fans for some reason) to justify it? Fuckin' hell....

No. You protecting problematic behavior. Different thing. The Yamato fanbase was just the one doing that, but really.. this can be applied to a lot of people on this forum.

 

[Starbound Beast D. Draig]

Politicizing a forum ? Trust me, this is something to be proud of. Even if it can backfire.

Sure buddy

Try this:
Nos offres | McDonald's Careers (mcdonalds.fr)

get a job, be a productive memeber of society and stop your obsession with politics and Carrot
and than maybe MAYBE I can take you seriously

 

[AL sama]

What I said is this :
>>




Politicizing a forum ? Trust me, this is something to be proud of. Even if it can backfire.

don't care that you forgot

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Seriously....all this time because he assumed I was the one who banned him? And fabricated an entire story(me protecting Yamato fans for some reason) to justify it? Fuckin' hell....



Whatever

don't want to be rude but honestly, the dude's the forum jester at this point, no reason to take him seriously or care about his posts like that