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King is stronger than


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nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
No, that's not what I meant. I want you to prove me the fact of King being significantly stronger than Queen just like Katakuri and Smoothie. Stop dodging the question.
But it did not happen. Does not matter, Katakuri humiliated Luffy way harder than Cracker. Better hardening, better DF, awakening and FS.
That's fan-fucking-tastic. How do you know that if I may ask, now he is even going to die against the BBPs, interesting lol.
Yep, let's see.
I don't think so.
Base Marco kicking the ship away > Full Zoan King achieving the same feat. No matter whether Big Mom was here or not, she usually gets clowned a lot, even by Robin and Jinbe. Nice tryyyyyy. Named or nameless attacks are irrelevant lel. No, they are not lies.

What if he doesn't die even if King uses a sword? Plot armor is a significant part in fiction, moot point, you have to try harder.
Sure, that's why Luffy sent Cracker's ass across the island. Silly me.
King may beat potato Katakuri - you know the swordsman Katakuri? - but true Katakuri is clearly stronger than him. "Once slice ends Katakuri", so it's an imaginable feat, gotcha! How does he slice Katakuri if I may ask? :choppawhat:



You end up wrong while I end up right, that's how rational my decisions are, yes!
Of course I need evidence. How else are you supposed to bring facts in the battledome outside of your own headcanon? Everyone can claim whatever they like, at the end it only matters if there are evidence backing up your claim, otherwise I can claim Bon Clay > Zoro as well. Git gud.
As I said, there's nothing to learn about since there are several factors to static bounties as well such as the threat level for the WG. Queen is a commander who can infect whole cities with viruses and plagues meanwhile Katakuri defends his home. Until then, you will stay confused.
For which rules? As I said, there are several factors in bounties and we have the confirmation how sadistic and brutal Queen truly is, especially in terms of danger. Your Chinjao argument is nonsense, whether he is a "one trick pony" or not doesn't matter. He was a leader of a kingdom who challenged Prime Garp several times, he split an island with his signature move as well. No, he doesn't need to prove he is above Queen, he already is significantly above Queen. Portrayal and feats are in favor of Katakuri. The difference of their bounties does not matter. Lol, Queen apparently is stronger because he has a one-shot attack while you clearly miss the fact that, if Katakuri uses his Mogura, he can easily blow someone's head away which would be a one shot attack as well. To be honest, Queen IS impressive and his portrayal clearly shits on King, especially in terms of versatility. Katakuri > Queen > King/Potato Katakuri?



I call it salt, yes. Stay butthurt.
I'm afraid King may not even outclass the importance and portrayal of a weaker Calamity if he still sucks ass in terms of performance.
I still call it salt. Yes, Cracker's defense is versatile and good. Ask Ndule Senpai what he thinks about King and Cracker.
That’s rich coming from you. You argue with King's imaginable swordsmanship and you think I am arguing with headcanons, lol. KKG is Luffy's strongest attack, even stronger than Tank Man's Cannon Ball whose force was powerful enough to destroy several biscuit soldiers at once with Cracker's own body. Imagine KKG hitting the biscuit soldiers. This attack destroyed ALL God Threads from Doflamingo. His Off White blocked a Double Culverin. Do the math.
Of course it would, already explained above. Lmao, don't be that desperate. At least compare Katakuri's durability with Cracker's without considering the biscuit soldier's durability. They are not part of Cracker's own body meanwhile Katakuri's mochi can restrain Bound Man with ease.
Sure he would, absolutely, yep. Go ahead and spread your faxx ma boi!
His captain's teeth was cracked, Page One's skull gets easily fractured and thus he gets koed. Quite confused, aren't you? An EG couldn't do shit to Cracker's biscuit soldier meanwhile a Kong Gun broke its shields, do the math, again. Comparing Kong Guns with Sanji's mosquito AP, that's your next mistake.

I agree, I'm several leagues above you. In fact, you are not even in a league. You are just a 5 yo boi casually playing soccer, that's how big our difference is. :catsure: And which prediction came out true? Queen vs Franky? I'm looking forward it!
The one purely argues with headcanon - and thus said individual is no different to actual flatearthers - meanwhile another one purely argues with current data and facts. That's the level between us, I agree.
So he was Fujitora level since the TS? Because that's what you are implying. Hence it ain't the reality.
Depending on his performance, whether he keeps showing bad impressions each week in front of Marco, I may not even change by stance regarding his powerlevel. It doesn't even change for you even after both King and Queen looked helpless against Marco. Imagine showing that pathetic performance in front of another first mate in which you cannot even deal jackshit with ANOTHER calamity. Once again, baseless. We haven't seen everything from Marco's BDSM bitch and with his 0 feats, he won't achieve jackshit. I'd recommend you to start debating on realistic levels instead of your irrelevant blabla, okay? Irrelevant, didn't help him much when Marco choked him, the only difference is, if Marco chokes him, he may survive, if Katakuri buries him with tons of mochi to suffocate him, he will die. How does it matter whether the MC is calm or not? Marco's BDSM slave cannot slice Katakuri up regardless because of his FS and shapeshifting. That's simple. The factual 3 steps FS helped me to see through your bullshit, yes. :myman: I'd like to but wouldn't it boring to debate with rational fellas? Debating with the delluded lik87 is much funnier because I have something to laugh about. :suresure: Bold part, holy crap, you seriously didn't write this shit, did you? Oh shit, debating against garbage long term headcanon sure won't look good for me, dude seriously wrote that lmfao. If King shows feats and portrayal comparable to Katakuri, I will take everything back. That ain't a problem for me. But let me guess, YOUR ego wouldn't allow you this kind of self-reflection?
Took your sweet time answering. :myman:
Did you need to recharge your bateries for round 84?
Anyway, I skipped through it, at a glance you are still underestimating King.

You will have to wait for the arc to end to judge him because all you are doing now is reacting on weekly basis.
Knowing how Oda works you will jump on and off the King bandwagon several times before the end of arc...
Try to make a long term prediction for King instead of weekly live reactions. :catsure:

Also, Sentinel-kun, it is not my ego what prevents me from taking everything back.
It's constantly being right which allows me that I dont have to take anything back.
You should have noticed by now that Zoro-tards are setting a record at being right.:myman:
 
Took your sweet time answering. :myman:
Did you need to recharge your bateries for round 84?
Anyway, I skipped through it, at a glance you are still underestimating King.

You will have to wait for the arc to end to judge him because all you are doing now is reacting on weekly basis.
Knowing how Oda works you will jump on and off the King bandwagon several times before the end of arc...
Try to make a long term prediction for King instead of weekly live reactions. :catsure:

Also, Sentinel-kun, it is not my ego what prevents me from taking everything back.
It's constantly being right which allows me that I dont have to take anything back.
You should have noticed by now that Zoro-tards are setting a record at being right.:myman:
I'm always taking my time to destroy you in debates. :myman:
No.
Yeah, that was the reason why I did not answer at first since I skipped your stuff and thought "This dude is hella stubborn" but then decided to crumble your little fantasy world into little pieces again. I'm not underestimating King, I'm just placing him at Katakuri's level, Potato Katakuri of course. :myman:

Are you clown not drawing your conclusion on King > Katakuri based on inconclusive potential feats and portrayals? You know, that's really rich coming from you when you cannot provide a single evidence of King outclassing Katakuri lol.
Of course, as long as he shows impressive feats, I will argue in favor of him again in battledome, depending on the opponent.
That's useless. You have to draw a solid conclusion based on portrayal if there are no feats - which is unconvenient for King yet again. Hence no blabla omnipotent sword skills and no mimimi b-b-but swordsman... Besides, Potato Katakuri is a swordsman and yet true Kata > Potato Kata -> There goes your "BuT kInG hAs A sWoRd!!!111" argument into the trash bin.

Sentinel*. Of course it is. You wouldn't even admit your L if Marco destroys both King and Queen in the next chapter lol.
There is your ego yet again. Why do you have this smug face although you are almost wrong on every nonsense you have been spewing for months lol?
Most Zoro "tards" already abandoned King because of the possibility of him not even fighting Zoro lel.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
I'm always taking my time to destroy you in debates. :myman:
No.
Yeah, that was the reason why I did not answer at first since I skipped your stuff and thought "This dude is hella stubborn" but then decided to crumble your little fantasy world into little pieces again. I'm not underestimating King, I'm just placing him at Katakuri's level, Potato Katakuri of course. :myman:

Are you clown not drawing your conclusion on King > Katakuri based on inconclusive potential feats and portrayals? You know, that's really rich coming from you when you cannot provide a single evidence of King outclassing Katakuri lol.
Of course, as long as he shows impressive feats, I will argue in favor of him again in battledome, depending on the opponent.
That's useless. You have to draw a solid conclusion based on portrayal if there are no feats - which is unconvenient for King yet again. Hence no blabla omnipotent sword skills and no mimimi b-b-but swordsman... Besides, Potato Katakuri is a swordsman and yet true Kata > Potato Kata -> There goes your "BuT kInG hAs A sWoRd!!!111" argument into the trash bin.

Sentinel*. Of course it is. You wouldn't even admit your L if Marco destroys both King and Queen in the next chapter lol.
There is your ego yet again. Why do you have this smug face although you are almost wrong on every nonsense you have been spewing for months lol?
Most Zoro "tards" already abandoned King because of the possibility of him not even fighting Zoro lel.
Sentinel the Destroyer tried many times to crumble my little fantasy and failed every time. :myman:
Clown is a new one? I think you didnt call me that before but be careful, I think @HA001 was banned for that one.
On the other hand, fear not, Zoro-tards dont cry to mods like the Crying Six do.

King has no combat feats at all because he wasnt even in combat so far and yet you are judging him for his combat...
I completely judge him based on the portrayal and guess which one of us will end up right in the long run. :catsure:
If you think that the guy who has a higher bounty, is 2nd to WSC, isnt used as training wheel, wont fight someone as weak as WCI Luffy, has far more endurance and durability than fragile Charlotte children is inferior than Katakuri, sure, you do you...

I dont know what you are talking about, only one version of Katakuri exists. Pre-manga concepts are of no concern to me.
Yes, my swordsman argument works because swordsmen dont drop their weapons willingly like the Charlotte failures.
Well, Sentinel-kun, you are thriving in headcanon. Show proof of me being wrong and not admitting it. Can you?
lol, I am wrong about every "nonsense" I spewed for months? Quote those things I was wrong about.
Most Zoro-tards predicted things far better than anyone else, no need to feel offended because of it, we simply do it better.
 
Sentinel the Destroyer tried many times to crumble my little fantasy and failed every time. :myman:
Clown is a new one? I think you didnt call me that before but be careful, I think @HA001 was banned for that one.
On the other hand, fear not, Zoro-tards dont cry to mods like the Crying Six do.

King has no combat feats at all because he wasnt even in combat so far and yet you are judging him for his combat...
I completely judge him based on the portrayal and guess which one of us will end up right in the long run. :catsure:
If you think that the guy who has a higher bounty, is 2nd to WSC, isnt used as training wheel, wont fight someone as weak as WCI Luffy, has far more endurance and durability than fragile Charlotte children is inferior than Katakuri, sure, you do you...

I dont know what you are talking about, only one version of Katakuri exists. Pre-manga concepts are of no concern to me.
Yes, my swordsman argument works because swordsmen dont drop their weapons like the Charlotte failures.
Well, Sentinel-kun, you are thriving in headcanon. Show proof of me being wrong and not admitting it. Can you?
lol, I am wrong about every "nonsense" I spew for months? Quote those things I was wrong about.
Most Zoro-tards predicted things far better than anyone else, no need to feel offended because of it, we simply do it better.
It's okay, it hurts admitting when someone babyshaked you during a discussion.
Hey, I'm not frequently using this insult! However, it was a nice assessment to you clowning around. :myman:
I'm afraid you're already crying about the inevitable outcome of King being weaker than Katakuri. But he has a chance at beating Potato Katakuri. :finally:

King has no combat feats, thus King the Zero Combatant, and his portrayal is crap as well currently, yet you are judging him for... literally nothing lol.
Which portrayal? King > Katakuri? Delete that from your memories, he already has a hard time surpassing Potato Katakuri based on his portrayal. :catcry:
Already addressed the bounty argument. So what if the 2nd to WSC is just barely stronger than the 3rd? What do you mean "training wheel"? It would be miraculous if King would be Zoro's hype tool at this point lol. You sure you do not have a hateboner for the MC? Far more endurance and durability is baseless. Have you not said not to judge King based on his 0 feats? How comes he has better endurance and durability than Katakuri lol?

That's another way to deny the reality.
Gosh, you sure are butthurt af for facing the hard reality of which King is just as strong as an inferior version of Katakuri at best.
Again, that's rich coming from you. And that ain't headcanon, I described a hypothetical situation on how you'd react to the reality slap, not that I truly argue with hypothetical situations to give character's imaginable feats lol.
Yes, for Luffy's FS being infrequent, FS only working against small fries, King being stronger than Katakuri (don't worry, you will get it soon) and as for your current predictions, I'm looking forward for Queen vs Franky. :finally:
Lol, why are you consistently pulling other people alongside you to feel more confident? Are you insecure? Can you not argue for yourself? Besides, over half the Zoro bois already abandoned their King wank besides a few, so how it is convenient to tag the whole Zoro squad along here lol?
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
It's okay, it hurts admitting when someone babyshaked you during a discussion.
Hey, I'm not frequently using this insult! However, it was a nice assessment to you clowning around. :myman:
I'm afraid you're already crying about the inevitable outcome of King being weaker than Katakuri. But he has a chance at beating Potato Katakuri. :finally:

King has no combat feats, thus King the Zero Combatant, and his portrayal is crap as well currently, yet you are judging him for... literally nothing lol.
Which portrayal? King > Katakuri? Delete that from your memories, he already has a hard time surpassing Potato Katakuri based on his portrayal. :catcry:
Already addressed the bounty argument. So what if the 2nd to WSC is just barely stronger than the 3rd? What do you mean "training wheel"? It would be miraculous if King would be Zoro's hype tool at this point lol. You sure you do not have a hateboner for the MC? Far more endurance and durability is baseless. Have you not said not to judge King based on his 0 feats? How comes he has better endurance and durability than Katakuri lol?

That's another way to deny the reality.
Gosh, you sure are butthurt af for facing the hard reality of which King is just as strong as an inferior version of Katakuri at best.
Again, that's rich coming from you. And that ain't headcanon, I described a hypothetical situation on how you'd react to the reality slap, not that I truly argue with hypothetical situations to give character's imaginable feats lol.
Yes, for Luffy's FS being infrequent, FS only working against small fries, King being stronger than Katakuri (don't worry, you will get it soon) and as for your current predictions, I'm looking forward for Queen vs Franky. :finally:
Lol, why are you consistently pulling other people alongside you to feel more confident? Are you insecure? Can you not argue for yourself? Besides, over half the Zoro bois already abandoned their King wank besides a few, so how it is convenient to tag the whole Zoro squad along here lol?
The issue is that the babyshaking is happening only in your fantasy, reality is different.
Well it would be fitting if I was clowning around but I am not.
Seems like you have FS or something considering the "inevitable" outcome that you hope for.

I am judging him by plenty of things which you can assume just by knowing his position and his purpose.
See? You have to make up some potato Katakuri to think you got something on King while you have nothing.
You are simply impatient and looking for a target to trash and it seems the flavor of the month is King...

Good luck arguing that someone with far larger bounty is weaker than someone with far lower. I'd like to see you hopelessly try that.
Being the strongest under the guy who is famous for his individual strength > being strongest(?) under the overgrown child.
King wont be anyone's training wheel like Katakuri was, it's disgraceful. King wont be beaten by some angry brat whose lethality is 0.

Not baseless at all, it is completely logical assumption based on his Zoan fruit. Good luck arguing otherwise.
You sure you dont have Kata boner? You seem to be protecting his bubble more than noodles does.
As I said, simply by knowing his devil fruit and his position in the crew.

You are delusional, there is no weaker version of Katakuri, there is only one version of Katakuri.
lmao, I was wrong about Luffy's FS being infrequent? lmao that's rich, you cant tell left from right it seems...
Not only is it infrequent, the uptime is basically close to 0. And yes, it was used to flex on fodder and nowhere else.

So, you already know that I was wrong about King>Katakuri? Either delusional or 3-step FS user, lmao.
Hell yeah, I would love Queen vs Franky. Constantly pulling other people? Delusional.
I didnt tag anyone to argue King>Katakuri for me, I can do that just fine.
 
Well since Katakuri is such an honorable guy, I think Katakuri would take pity on King after seeing how weak he is. So I believe that Katakuri would restrict his self from using FS to atleast give King a fighting chance. Though I believe Kata still wins :kayneshrug:
Oh the same guy who killed the cooks who cooked for him because they saw him ? Such a good and honorable guy :milaugh:
Talking about guys who destroy countries for foods ...
 
The issue is that the babyshaking is happening only in your fantasy, reality is different.
Well it would be fitting if I was clowning around but I am not.
Seems like you have FS or something considering the "inevitable" outcome that you hope for.
The reality is that I'm babyshaking you rn, so there is no issue. :catsure:
You sure you ain't clowning around?
If King doesn't outclass Katakuri in terms of portrayal, the outcome will be inevitable, yes.

I am judging him by plenty of things which you can assume just by knowing his position and his purpose.
See? You have to make up some potato Katakuri to think you got something on King while you have nothing.
You are simply impatient and looking for a target to trash and it seems the flavor of the month is King...
You couldn't prove his significant superiority towards Queen, he has 0 feats and his portrayal is mediocre at best. That's how delusional you are...
Ironic, considering Oda had different plans for Katakuri when he literally made him into another "average looking" YC with mediocre abilities but later on retconned his entire existence for the MC, more powerful as ever, you really are in no position to claim that I have nothing lmfao.
Once again, ironic considering that you have been trashing on the MC on long-terms lol.

Good luck arguing that someone with far larger bounty is weaker than someone with far lower. I'd like to see you hopelessly try that.
Being the strongest under the guy who is famous for his individual strength > being strongest(?) under the overgrown child.
King wont be anyone's training wheel like Katakuri was, it's disgraceful. King wont be beaten by some angry brat whose lethality is 0.
Already did; and you lost this argument.
I guess the 2nd strongest under the WSC cannot even match the first mate of the former strongest pirate despite getting help from the 3rd strongest. At least King fulfilled his role being Marco's BDSM bitch lol.
Tell that again if Sanji beats this guy with RS, you sure can bet to god that this outcome won't happen... And there's the next complaint about the MC. Why should he need lethality if he can knock the fuck outta his opponents? :doffytroll:

Not baseless at all, it is completely logical assumption based on his Zoan fruit. Good luck arguing otherwise.
You sure you dont have Kata boner? You seem to be protecting his bubble more than noodles does.
As I said, simply by knowing his devil fruit and his position in the crew.
It is completely baseless assumption to assume he has better endurance and durability than someone stronger than him. Queen is a zoan user and was taken out by two hits from a nerfed Big Mom who cannot even perform the same AP like Bound Man lol.
Yes, I'm sure. I admit Katakuri's inferiority toward stronger first mates such as Marco but I'm afraid King the Zero Combatant doesn't get the benefit of the doubt lol.
As I said, baseless.

You are delusional, there is no weaker version of Katakuri, there is only one version of Katakuri.
lmao, I was wrong about Luffy's FS being infrequent? lmao that's rich, you cant tell left from right it seems...
Not only is it infrequent, the uptime is basically close to 0. And yes, it was used to flex on fodder and nowhere else.
Even after we already went through this point a lot, you still deny the fact of a weaker version of Katakuri, that's weak af.
Yes, you were. See, Luffy has no issues seeing Kaido's attack beforehand and punching the fuck outta him. Another L for you, lik87.
The amount of evidence against your blabla sums up how desperate you're crawling onto to ground to get solid footing again when it comes to Luffy downplay. Keep trying. :catsure:

So, you already know that I was wrong about King>Katakuri? Either delusional or 3-step FS user, lmao.
Hell yeah, I would love Queen vs Franky. Constantly pulling other people? Delusional.
I didnt tag anyone to argue King>Katakuri for me, I can do that just fine.
Which sums up that I'm even better than you in terms of long-terms predictions. :myman:
Same here. Yes, you consistently tagged the Zoro "tards" here to prove your point ROFLMAO.
Great, then keep doing that.
 
King's feats and portrayal
+ Dropping the ship of the Bm and her crew the waterfall
-Not respected even in his own crew
-Not even weighing more than Queen
-Beak bent by Sanji
-He can't even react to a guy like Izo who can't even make the top four as a force on the WB crew
-Despite being with the queen, he is strangled by Marco
-Even the reason Linlin was invited to the crew was the same as Brook's request.
King should only be compared to the Queen.Because he can only be stronger than him.
 
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