Powers & Abilities Why the black blade puts Mihawk and Ryuma above Oden by default

[comrade]

Tengu told Zoro, that Enma has still to reach a higher rank by becoming black, implying that Oden failed to achieve that level. It puts Oden beneath those who forged a black blade by default.

• no side powers like DFs, guns, martial arts, advanced CoC (if it exists)
• a swordstyle named after him (Oden Nitoryu) which he even teaches his scabbards

It's the exact same fighting style like Mihawk and Zoro have; the black blade is the only thing that would make a difference between them.

Now one might ask "what about Roger and Whitebeard, not even they have a black blade". Good point, but I believe it doesn't make sense to use Roger as an example, since we are not aware of his full power. Is there an adanced form of CoC he uses as a compensation for the Gura? Who knows, we might find it out in Luffy vs. Teach, when Luffy's DF will be blocked by the Yami fruit.

You could also make a case, that a black blade is forged not only by having extremely strong CoA, but also by mastering "the way of the sword", which is the ability to "cut everything and nothing as you desire", by letting the Haki flow through your blade in a specific way to become one with it. An ability Roger was not proficient in, but rather made his CoA overflow in his blade to throw barriers (just like Roger attacked Oden with a blunt attack without cutting him).

That's why Zoro asked Mihawk "teach me the way of the sword". What was Mihawk's answer? "every blade can become a black blade like mine". Though Mihawk himself also said, that mastering Haki is a crucial part of it, meaning that your CoA has to be of a very high level too. In fact, it has to be advanced Haki, because that's how Hyogoro described the ability to become one with your blade; by letting the Haki flow out of your blade and cut everything.

Oden, Zoro and Mihawk, their fighting style is exactly the same. There are no side powers. No Haki barriers form of fighting, no (assumed) advanced CoC, no guns, no DFs. Just strict swordstyle, just cutting with every technique. What did Oden do to Kaido when almost killing him? Exactly, cutting technique. It's what Oden's, Zoro's and Mihawk's ability is based on.

So this is why the black blade is what makes the difference. If the black blade doesn't even matter among those who have the exact same way of fighting, then it's nonsensical to introduce black blades in the first place. What would change if Zoro turns Enma and his other blades black?

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[Don DaSlayer]

Tldr.
All im saying is the title is facts.🦍

 

[comrade]

Tldr.

To cut a long story short:

Those who created a black blade, cut better than someone who did not create a black blade. And since Oden's fighting style is only cutting, Mihawk is stronger since a black blade speaks of superior cutting ability.

 

[Erkan12]

It's no different than a blade being cursed; such as Kitetsu swords.

The swordsman leaves the part of his soul on the sword. It has nothing to with power levels.

You just got bodied when you said black swords can cut steel without Haki then I reminded you Zombie Ryuma with Shuusui failed to break Pre-TS Zoro's swords in his first try.

mihawk himself admitted Roger (and indirectly Whitebeard, his equal) is on a different level than your boy mihawk.

Whitebeard didn't attack Kaido, because there would casualties on both sides. Kaido hyped Oden, Whitebeard hyped Oden, and Oden said no one can beat Kaido if he fails. Not even Whitebeard could.

Luffy will always be on a different level than Zoro. Zoro will surpass mihawk, Luffy will be on the same level with Yonko.

 

[nik87]

It's no different than a blade being cursed; such as Kitetsu swords.

The swordsman leaves the part of his soul on the sword. It has nothing to with power levels.

You just got bodied when you said black swords can cut steel without Haki then I reminded you Zombie Ryuma with Shuusui failed to break Pre-TS Zoro's swords in his first try.

mihawk himself admitted Roger (and indirectly Whitebeard, his equal) is on a different level than your boy mihawk.

Whitebeard didn't attack Kaido, because there would casualties on both sides. Kaido hyped Oden, Whitebeard hyped Oden, and Oden said no one can beat Kaido if he fails. Not even Whitebeard could.

Luffy will always be on a different level than Zoro. Zoro will surpass mihawk, Luffy will be on the same level with Yonko.

How old are you? Really curious.

 

[Finalbeta]

Yeah it's not difficult to grasp it indeed. General logical implies it is very likely that the way to turn a sword permanently black is by CoA, the more fierceful the more chance it succeeds... not even Roger could somehow so it must be extremely complex, and this is why I totally don't think Zoro will manage during this arc, at least for now.

 

[sanjikun]

The thing about Roger is we don't know if he had the same sword throughout his life. People change swords.

Oden had his sword since he was a kid though.

 

[RiShin]

Yet whitebeard's supreme blade isn't black. If whitebeard did turn his blade black, would his blade be supreme+?
Oda really needs to explain more about swords in general and how you forge a black blade.

 

[nik87]

Roger and Whitebeard are old era, they have nothing to do with Mihawk in the present day.
Oda can make him as powerful as he wants, more powerful than either WB and Roger if he wishes so...
However, he is probably saving that for Zoro. Kokuto explanation will certainly shed some light on it.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Roger and Whitebeard are old era, they have nothing to do with Mihawk in the present day.
Oda can make him as powerful as he wants, more powerful than either WB and Roger if he wishes so...
However, he is probably saving that for Zoro. Kokuto explanation will certainly shed some light on it.

Oden is also from the old era

So why you putting him below Mihawk?

 

[HA001]

Oden is also from the old era

So why you putting him below Mihawk?

Because zoro is surpassing oden this arc.

 

[comrade]

It's no different than a blade being cursed; such as Kitetsu swords.

The swordsman leaves the part of his soul on the sword. It has nothing to with power levels.

No. Cursed =/= putting a soul in it. And as for a black blade, Mihawk was clear, you need Haki for it.

You just got bodied when you said black swords can cut steel without Haki then I reminded you Zombie Ryuma with Shuusui failed to break Pre-TS Zoro's swords in his first try.

I didn't say black swords can cut steel as in, everyone who picks up a black sword will cut it. But Mihawk forged that blade, his strikes are way more powerful. But anyways, Mihawk might as well have used Haki there, it was still a casual strike and Mihawk has attacks magnitudes above that. Doesn't change my point in this thread.

mihawk himself admitted Roger (and indirectly Whitebeard, his equal) is on a different level than your boy mihawk.

Seems like you like to play dumb on purpose don't you. Mihawk said becoming PK is harder than surpassing him. Because in order to become the WSS, you have to beat him 1 on 1. But to become PK, you have to overcome all forces. All Yonko including Kaido, the marines, you have to create a strong crew and gather allies, and you have to collect the Road Poneglyphs and travel to Raftel. Who did Roger fight in his search for the Road Poneglyphs? He sneaked into Big Mom's territory. He visited Zou.

Whitebeard didn't attack Kaido, because there would casualties on both sides. Kaido hyped Oden, Whitebeard hyped Oden, and Oden said no one can beat Kaido if he fails. Not even Whitebeard could.

What does this have to do with the thread though. Mihawk was still young at this point. And Mihawk isn't interested in Wano at all either.

 

[nik87]

Oden is also from the old era
So why you putting him below Mihawk?

Because I place Roger below Mihawk as well.

 

[Kaido D. Stronger]

It's no different than a blade being cursed; such as Kitetsu swords.

The swordsman leaves the part of his soul on the sword. It has nothing to with power levels.

You just got bodied when you said black swords can cut steel without Haki then I reminded you Zombie Ryuma with Shuusui failed to break Pre-TS Zoro's swords in his first try.

mihawk himself admitted Roger (and indirectly Whitebeard, his equal) is on a different level than your boy mihawk.

Whitebeard didn't attack Kaido, because there would casualties on both sides. Kaido hyped Oden, Whitebeard hyped Oden, and Oden said no one can beat Kaido if he fails. Not even Whitebeard could.

Luffy will always be on a different level than Zoro. Zoro will surpass mihawk, Luffy will be on the same level with Yonko.

You forgot to mention that ODEN returned after sailing with WB and Roger (mainly Roger and Rayleigh who have swords), and said that his style is the best and strongest. ODEN's own words already say that ROGER was not WSS, and that ODEN's style and way of fighting were superior to that of ROGER with the sword. With the sword.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Because I place Roger below Mihawk as well.

Go back to reading sword piece.

 

[nik87]

Go back to reading sword piece.

Yes, mommy.

 

[comrade]

The real problem and what bothers Mihawk haters most is the fact, that there is absolutely nothing distinguishing Oden's fighting style with Zoro's and Mihawk's. Oden and Mihawk are both swordmasters who base their fighting style solely not only on swordsmanship but specifically cutting (unlike Roger, who foms barriers around his swords for blunt force, just like Roger's named attack wasn't even a cut).

There is absolutely no distinction between Oden's way of fighting and Mihawk's way of fighting. And that troubles Mihawk haters. Especially coupled with the fact that Tengu said, "Enma has still to become a black blade", as in "Oden didn't achieve that level but you, Zoro, can". Mihawk haters are afraid. So they come up with bullshit like "a black blade is like putting your soul in it".

 

[Kaido D. Stronger]

The real problem and what bothers Mihawk haters most is the fact, that there is absolutely nothing distinguishing Oden's fighting style with Zoro's and Mihawk's. Oden and Mihawk are both swordmasters who base their fighting style solely not only on swordsmanship but specifically cutting (unlike Roger, who foms barriers around his swords for blunt force, just like Roger's named attack wasn't even a cut).

There is absolutely no distinction between Oden's way of fighting and Mihawk's way of fighting. And that troubles Mihawk haters. Especially coupled with the fact that Tengu said, "Enma has still to become a black blade", as in "Oden didn't achieve that level but you, Zoro, can". Mihawk haters are afraid. So they come up with bullshit like "a black blade is like putting your soul in it".

But the question of ROGER can be called variations in the style and form of sword fighting.
Normal.Your own way to use is your style. Your own way of using a sword.

 

[Kenshiro11]

We might have clue on how close mihawk is to oden when he tried to attack old ass whitebeard. But apparently Jozu said not close enough

 

[nik87]

There is no point in protecting Roger. His days are numbered as well. There is no way that Zoro will be inferior to any swordsman ever.
Oda is simply not in the business of keeping old era on the pedestal but instead in the business of pushing Zoro to the heights not yet achieved. The guy can pull a demon god with 9 swords... Roger's tricks look pale compared to that.