Hmmm. I assume it's a mix of a few things.
Admirals don't get a lot of showing and despite what we do know, a huge amount is still hype than feats. Especially now that we are in timeskip and its mainly the Akainu and Aokiji face off. We have the topic of Admiral vs Yonkou. And its not helping either that we had Akainu fistfuck Ace in front of Luffy and now Akainu just sits around all the time. A deliberate choice, he is a man of action stuck in a desk job but it was a bad choice from Oda.
Admirals have fans however who want to believe and as fandoms tend to go, they go over overboard. Especially in series like One Piece.
This reflects back on the characters themselves cause people dislike the folks who go overboard.
Mainly however, I attribute it to Oda not doing them justice (pun not intended). IMO, he hasnt been very clear on how strong they truly are due to actual lack of showcasing them.
Fans are left to wonder and scale on their own, causing more discourse and so on.
Agendas.
Also, many dudes here have issues, looking at how personal they take fictional characters in a manga with declining quality.
Really tho, they are on same tier, but Yonko are on average stronger. Aside from BM, 3 of the 4 OG Yonkos are at the high-end of top tier. I don't think there is any admiral stronger than healthy WB/Kaido/Shanks.
It was bound to happen. Admiral fans spent over a decade spreading the nonsense that admirals were as strong as end game pirates, then within the space of a few chapters they got crushed like everyone knew they would.
They looked insanely great compared to Crydo and Memes performances for 6-7 years who showed weakness after weakness - Big Mom's entire existence is a weakness.
In comparison Admirals always performed composed and clean. Thats why Yonkotards barely have any material and jump on ridiculous stuff to back up their bias, more often way too early (like Fujitora being injured post reverie and later we find out it actually happened as he fought Greenbull).
So Buggy is stronger than Mihawk and Crocodile? Before you even start bringing up pathetic excuses hold on for a minute - its always about the circumstances a character joins someone else. A stronger character can join a weaker character for personal porpuses.
Oda literally showed us how Kuzan joined Blackbeard! Kuzan was about to kill him and his entire crew which made Blackbeard sweat in fear and asking him to join him instead so that he can pursue his own personal goals the best and easiest way - he literally convinced someone who clearly seemed superior to him to join his power as an ally.
In fact most of Blackbeards crew members joined him as "allies" and not as inferiors - remember why Shiryu joined Teach?
Most people aren't haters, they just don't really care for the Admirals or the Marines as a whole except for Garp. I'm not part of any other OP community but I'm sure the majority of dedicated Admiral haters and fans have come to OJ and now here while the others just prefer the pirates.
I think the Admirals are among Oda's best side characters and the best arcs in OP have Marines as a main focus.
It's power level agenda. Nothing more, nothing less. People got their own opinions and a serious case of confirmation bias, so much to the point where they contradict themselves almost every time they post(like saying Kizaru has trash AP for not one shotting Franky when Kaido couldn't one shot a Scabbard with ACOC).
Admiral defenders bring up 100 excuses for Kizaru's performance in Egghead while they were the same guys placing Kaidou/BM under a microscope during Onigashima.
Admiral defenders bring up 100 excuses for Kizaru's performance in Egghead while they were the same guys placing Kaidou/BM under a microscope during Onigashima.
I have multiple posts stating the endless the cycle of validation and shit talking from both whenever a yonko/Admiral stumbles or does something good. I know.
The OP is talking about the admiral haters and I said it's just agenda, not hate.
I have multiple posts stating the endless the cycle of validation and shit talking from both whenever a yonko/Admiral stumbles or does something good. I know.
The OP is talking about the admiral haters and I said it's just agenda, not hate.
Admiral defenders bring up 100 excuses for Kizaru's performance in Egghead while they were the same guys placing Kaidou/BM under a microscope during Onigashima.
Exactly, it's funny that he brings up Kaido not KOing Kine'mon when the Admiral fans used that for years back in Wano to downplay Kaido, anything they're experiencing now with Kizaru is just a taste of their own medicine, not that the two situations are comparable to begin with since Franky face tanked that shit and Kin'emon was on death's door from Kaido's swing.
Difference being, that Kaido has shown several times how he can one shot characters stronger than that, so Kinemon in that instance clinging to life to protect Momo is rather situational.
Kaido:
One shotted post WCI Luffy (who has rubber durability) in base using a one handed blow with his club without ACoC
One shotted each and every Scabbard, including the Sulong Dukes, using nameless swings of his club in base
Knocked Luffy out with Ragnarock
Knocked Luffy out and sent him down the island
Killed Luffy with a blunt strike
Kizaru so far had a hard time doing anything significant.
Admiral defenders bring up 100 excuses for Kizaru's performance in Egghead while they were the same guys placing Kaidou/BM under a microscope during Onigashima.
It’s actually the opposite, Admiral fans are literally just reading the manga. It’s Oda who is saying Kizaru doesn’t want to hurt his friends, can’t go all out because he’ll destroy Egghead, is treating his entire fight with Luffy like a joke, etc.
While meanwhile Yonko fans delude themselves into believing Kizaru is bloodlusted and nitpick every single one of his feats to find slight shortcomings and upplay those into oblivion. As if Kizaru is going all out or something lol.
Objectively Admiral fans are just reading the manga while Yonko fans are disingenuous liars pushing agendas. As always, lol.
Exactly, it's funny that he brings up Kaido not KOing Kine'mon when the Admiral fans used that for years back in Wano to downplay Kaido, anything they're experiencing now with Kizaru is just a taste of their own medicine, not that the two situations are comparable to begin with since Franky face tanked that shit and Kin'emon was on death's door from Kaido's swing.
It’s actually the opposite, Admiral fans are literally just reading the manga. It’s Oda who is saying Kizaru doesn’t want to hurt his friends, can’t go all out because he’ll destroy Egghead, is treating his entire fight with Luffy like a joke, etc.
While meanwhile Yonko fans delude themselves into believing Kizaru is bloodlusted and nitpick every single one of his feats to fight find shortcomings and upplay those into oblivion. As if Kizaru is going all out or something lol.
Objectively Admiral fans are just reading the manga while Yonko fans are disingenuous liars pushing agendas. As always, lol.
Sword + admiral was an establish alliance on this forum.
That ended in Wano, with the reveal of ACoC. Once Zoro got it, Znation does a complete 180. An now argue character without CoC are below those with it. Why tf do Ztards always pretend they got no clue what’s going on smh?
Kizaru literally said he wanted to see how strong Franky grew. And Atlas is an aspect of Vegapunk. You think Kizaru would get emotional over Vegaforce 1 but not Atlas? Lmfao
It’s like you’re mad at Oda’s writing lmfao. I can’t help you there. Not even the best psychologists on earth can help Yonko fans with their mental issues lol.
To even compare bloodlusted Kaido failing to kill Kinemon with all his power and rage to Kizaru fucking around on Egghead just shows how malicious and dishonest Yonko fans are tbh.
Exactly, it's funny that he brings up Kaido not KOing Kine'mon when the Admiral fans used that for years back in Wano to downplay Kaido, anything they're experiencing now with Kizaru is just a taste of their own medicine, not that the two situations are comparable to begin with since Franky face tanked that shit and Kin'emon was on death's door from Kaido's swing.
Funny. One can easily say the Kaido-BM downplay was giving yonko guys a taste of their own medicine. Way to continue the cycle eh? This shit can traced back to 2012 lol.
It’s actually the opposite, Admiral fans are literally just reading the manga. It’s Oda who is saying Kizaru doesn’t want to hurt his friends, can’t go all out because he’ll destroy Egghead, is treating his entire fight with Luffy like a joke, etc.
While meanwhile Yonko fans delude themselves into believing Kizaru is bloodlusted and nitpick every single one of his feats to fight slight shortcomings and upplay those into oblivion.
Objectively Admiral fans are just reading the manga while Yonko fans are disingenuous liars pushing agendas. As always, lol.
Franky isn't Kizaru's friend... and did you miss last chapter where he was milliseconds away from cutting Bonney in half before Luffy put him on his ass again?
Or how about before that when he had zero qualms about kicking Bonney into an extremely dangerous laser defense?
It's a joke that Admiral fans are still pushing this nerfed charade... have some shame.
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