Chapter Discussion Why Zoro went from 3 swords with advcoc to 2 swords and no advcoc

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
But the green smoke/flames is the KOH, it is the top level of the COA,
I think smoke/flames being KOH is just an assumption of the fandom.
Zoro has never mentioned KOH outside of 2 named moves - Dragon Damnation and Oni Giri.
Green smoke is just CoA level to Enma's satisfaction, it is not fitting the two instances when KOH was used, CoA+CoC.
 
So you believe Zoro, who never used KoH, can only fight for a few minutes even though about a week ago he could fight for a much longer time using more energy in a war.
:crazwhat:
He can't use KOH for long period of time he said it himself, i didn't say overall i said in KOH mode specifically.
He tried to finish lucci quick in the beginning with KOH but failed so he switched back.
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
I think the reason why Jinbe is coming is because he is supposed to beat Lucci and not Zoro.
Jinbe is a main power house of the crew and while the other 3 have been fighting someone notable, he hasnt.
He is a Warlord after all and he should beat someone notable.

I dont think Grim Reaper is Zoro's creation, I think it is a manifestation of death itself.
So, next time we see it, Zoro will be dying.
It should happen vs either Mihawk or Shiryu.


Still not because Lucci scenario doesnt fit even Oni Giri scenario because there are no CoC trails.
Also, it makes no sense for Zoro to use KOH during clashes, just like he didnt use it vs King when clashing.
It was only applied to named attacks because that's where it matters. Clashing is just testing the waters...
Also, we knew about the difference between Oni Giri and Dragon Damnation due to Dragon Style.


I disgree about this.
I think KOH can be used with 1/2/3/9 sword style.
Even without swords because it is just haki after all.
Bro if jinbei replace Zoro then why the fuck oda even involved zoro till now
 
I think smoke/flames being KOH is just an assumption of the fandom.
Zoro has never mentioned KOH outside of 2 named moves - Dragon Damnation and Oni Giri.
Green smoke is just CoA level to Enma's satisfaction, it is not fitting the two instances when KOH was used, CoA+CoC.
King of Hell - 3 sword style - Oni giri (ONLY green smoke)

King of Hell - 3 Dragon Style (ADVcoc) - Dragon Damnation (green smoke + Black lightning)

Logically, Zoro is not going to say "King of hell" against Lucci because he has not used any technique and also he only used the KOH in a vignette to exchange blows, nothing important, that's why I don't worry.
 
Besides, the very next chapter after Lightning flaring up... when Saturn appeared, we see Nitoryu Zoro (no sword in his mouth).
Could have been switching or used it before and it was the last panel before switching to 2swords style

Its when you wanna assume Lucci blocked/tanked CoC moves off panel.
Except that I didn't

100%. I believe Luffy didnt as well.
Im just giving the same benefit to Zoro.
We have more reason to say Luffy didn't

Again, i believe Zoro will defeat Lucci using CoC. Tho he hasnt used it against him, so far.
That doesn't mean he didn't use it so far
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
Could have been switching or used it before and it was the last panel before switching to 2swords style
That doesn't mean he didn't use it so far
These "could haves" and "would haves" are exactly what im talking about.

To me its irrelevant. If Oda wanted to show KoH Zoro w/ CoC clashing with Awakened Lucci, he would've simply drawn it this chapter. No need to suddenly draw Awakened Lucci & 2 sword, CoA Zoro.

As simple as that.

P.S. I too can go ahead and say in the time Luffy & Kizaru were fighting, Luffy "could've" or "would've" used Bajrung Gun and Kizaru blocked it.

Same for Gear 4 Luffy/Cracker/Katakuri & KKG.

But i wont. Because its faulty.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
Bro if jinbei replace Zoro then why the fuck oda even involved zoro till now
Just to keep him away from Kizaru and Saturn because they need hype tools and that doesnt really work with Zoro around.
He would have been able to intercept pretty much everything they are capable of and that's hindering the plot too much.
Now, when it is time to off both, Zoro can come into that scene.

King of Hell - 3 sword style - Oni giri (ONLY green smoke)

King of Hell - 3 Dragon Style (ADVcoc) - Dragon Damnation (green smoke + Black lightning)

Logically, Zoro is not going to say "King of hell" against Lucci because he has not used any technique and also he only used the KOH in a vignette to exchange blows, nothing important, that's why I don't worry.
Oni Giri doesnt have only green smoke, it has aCoC coating as well. Check the panel I posted earlier.
Dragon Damnation just has more of it all. But, in both cases, CoC+CoA are present and that's the only time KOH is mentioned.
He would have to use aCoC on those exchange of blows as well for it to be KOH but he didnt so it is just a new standard of Ryo flow...
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
Just to keep him away from Kizaru and Saturn because they need hype tools and that doesnt really work with Zoro around.
He would have been able to intercept pretty much everything they are capable of and that's hindering the plot too much.
Now, when it is time to off both, Zoro can come into that scene.


Oni Giri doesnt have only green smoke, it has aCoC coating as well. Check the panel I posted earlier.
Dragon Damnation just has more of it all. But, in both cases, CoC+CoA are present and that's the only time KOH is mentioned.
He would have to use aCoC on those exchange of blows as well for it to be KOH but he didnt so it is just a new standard of Ryo flow...
We will see man


Jinbei is taking ages to get to zoro so I doubt if he replaced zoro then zoro can get to Luffy anytime soon which makes this switching pointless
 
Just to keep him away from Kizaru and Saturn because they need hype tools and that doesnt really work with Zoro around.
He would have been able to intercept pretty much everything they are capable of and that's hindering the plot too much.
Now, when it is time to off both, Zoro can come into that scene.


Oni Giri doesnt have only green smoke, it has aCoC coating as well. Check the panel I posted earlier.
Dragon Damnation just has more of it all. But, in both cases, CoC+CoA are present and that's the only time KOH is mentioned.
He would have to use aCoC on those exchange of blows as well for it to be KOH but he didnt so it is just a new standard of Ryo flow...
They are too small rays in that attack, as if it were not 100%, that is why that attack is only KOH and not Dragon Style. And if you take into account those little rays in that attack, you should also take this little lightning in this scene.


Oda has errors and is inconsistent in the drawing. That's why it should clearly show when Zoro uses ADVcoc (Dragon Style).
From my point of view, against Lucci he has only used KOH for a short time and without using attacks and most of the time only basic haki with 2 swords. Against King, Zoro use KOH on the Oni giri, ADVcoc (not KOH) on the yakodori.
Finally, Dragon Damnation (KOH + Dragon Style)
 
in 1093 we saw zoro fighting lucci with 3 swords and advcoc


this time he only has two swords and no advcoc effects

there is no logic to go from a stronger form to a weaker against an enemy he is trying to defeat so the only explanation is the fight was taking longer he expected and he was forced to stop using enma or he would empty his haki
because three swords are too much, you can accidentally break a kitten without enjoying the battle :zosmug:
 
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