Speculations Will there be a crazy powercreep in the final saga of One Piece?
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Of course like for example :
- Zoro who is currently going high diff to beat YC1 King will be world strongest swordsman meaning by the end Zoro > MIhawk / SHanks
- Luffy who went extreme diff to beat Yonko like Kaido could not do anything but hurt himself against Warcury , so he still needs more powerup to be able to defeat someone like Warcury. He is nowhere near of Joyboy level of haki and that will probably be his area of reach.
- Blackbeard must have another powerup if he wants to be final villain ( third Zoan devil fruit or having acoc or awakening his current devil fruits or combination of all 3 of those )
- Imu must be tier above characters like Gorosei / Yonko / Admirals
- Zoro who is currently going high diff to beat YC1 King will be world strongest swordsman meaning by the end Zoro > MIhawk / SHanks
- Luffy who went extreme diff to beat Yonko like Kaido could not do anything but hurt himself against Warcury , so he still needs more powerup to be able to defeat someone like Warcury. He is nowhere near of Joyboy level of haki and that will probably be his area of reach.
- Blackbeard must have another powerup if he wants to be final villain ( third Zoan devil fruit or having acoc or awakening his current devil fruits or combination of all 3 of those )
- Imu must be tier above characters like Gorosei / Yonko / Admirals
Yes, whether it is CoO, CoA, CoC or manifestation of human evolution, whatever you think of, Zoro has it all better than Luffy does.
Once you start looking at it from the perspective that Zoro is Oda's strongest creation, you will understand that he gifts him only the best of the best abilities. Pizza dough is all nice and good but all it does is fool you once again... It leads to close to no damaji whatsoever.
That's the ultimate benchmark of Luffy's true strength - how much damaji he actually deals and how much help/rounds he needs to beat the opponent and based on his previous record he will always stay inferior to plenty of people. He was never created to be the strongest. That is not his purpose.
When it comes to DFs, there is no step above Awakening. And when it comes to CoC there is nothing above infusion.
Joyboy/Shanks CoC feat that cancels DFs is just a neat application that will at best get used once per battle, basically a new hype tool because the old one(sky split) became too common. He might used it just once in the show, against Blackbeard, to let him taste him own medicine, and that is basically it.
Power creep is impossible due to WSM and WSC, all characters are weaker than those two, at least all who existed when those titles were obtained aka Imu and his gang. The only power creep possible is from new generation like Mihawk and Zoro. Blackbeard and Shiryu too as they are known for still powering up.
And since we know that Imu is not even the one who is behind the much more ancient, 1st destruction of the world, the true villain from ancient times may come back and bring the expected power creep but that is it. Even such character would be judged by WSM and WSC, the only way to escape that curse is by being dead and getting resurrected.
Luffy received help in every major fight in the show and in the last big fight against Kaido he received more help than he received in the whole show so far and you think he wont receive help vs Imu? Reset yourself, Sky-chin, you are malfunctioning...
Imu is Enel 2.0 because I can put 2 and 2 together.
The context is that Zoro received help not because he was too weak but because he was naive.
Luffy's reason for receiving help in every fight is because he is too weak.
It has always been like that, you arent new to this. Or you simply cannot admit it?
Sure, why not...
Just don't forget context the same way you are forgetting it with Enel.
After a gauntlet aka beating two top tiers, exhausted Zoro can be beaten by Imu.
I will gladly take that.
Once you start looking at it from the perspective that Zoro is Oda's strongest creation, you will understand that he gifts him only the best of the best abilities. Pizza dough is all nice and good but all it does is fool you once again... It leads to close to no damaji whatsoever.
That's the ultimate benchmark of Luffy's true strength - how much damaji he actually deals and how much help/rounds he needs to beat the opponent and based on his previous record he will always stay inferior to plenty of people. He was never created to be the strongest. That is not his purpose.
When it comes to DFs, there is no step above Awakening. And when it comes to CoC there is nothing above infusion.
Joyboy/Shanks CoC feat that cancels DFs is just a neat application that will at best get used once per battle, basically a new hype tool because the old one(sky split) became too common. He might used it just once in the show, against Blackbeard, to let him taste him own medicine, and that is basically it.
Power creep is impossible due to WSM and WSC, all characters are weaker than those two, at least all who existed when those titles were obtained aka Imu and his gang. The only power creep possible is from new generation like Mihawk and Zoro. Blackbeard and Shiryu too as they are known for still powering up.
And since we know that Imu is not even the one who is behind the much more ancient, 1st destruction of the world, the true villain from ancient times may come back and bring the expected power creep but that is it. Even such character would be judged by WSM and WSC, the only way to escape that curse is by being dead and getting resurrected.
Imu is Enel v2.0 because you say that he is
The context is that Zolo would have died within the first few months of the manga's serialization if not for Luffy helping him
The context is that Zolo would have died within the first few months of the manga's serialization if not for Luffy helping him
Imu is Enel 2.0 because I can put 2 and 2 together.
The context is that Zoro received help not because he was too weak but because he was naive.
Luffy's reason for receiving help in every fight is because he is too weak.
It has always been like that, you arent new to this. Or you simply cannot admit it?
So we see Zoro "versus" Enel 2.0 where he's getting negged? 
Just don't forget context the same way you are forgetting it with Enel.
After a gauntlet aka beating two top tiers, exhausted Zoro can be beaten by Imu.
I will gladly take that.
Bro, you wrote a lot but you haven't proven a single thing about Zoro's CoO, CoA and CoC being better than Luffy's, especially not CoC lol.
Nah, pizza dough is just ONE example. This power grants Luffy so much more power to warp reality. How is that not busted?
It's a shonen like everything else and at worst, Luffy will end up comparable to those responsible for the upcoming powercreep.
So it isn't still known how Luffy's ultimate benchmark will look like.
Sure, you think he's a complete weak ass pussy and, considering his Egghead Island performance, you have all reasons to believe so but it's obvious how he's gonna end up like if you look at the fact how much is Joyboy already wanked, let alone Nika. Oda's just preparing us for the inevitable thing.
One Piece has a history of at least +900 years and the full mystery of Devil Fruits isn't revealed yet either. Especially when it comes to a god fruit like Nika, I sincerely doubt Luffy's current awakening is the complete peak of his power but we'll see anyway.
But if it happens, remember what I told you... and if it doesn't, well, you'd have a good laughter at least lmao.
How is that level of CoC a neat application when it screams pure power and domination over someone?
So will powerscaling happen or not???
What are WB and especially Kaido supposed to do against a world ending power lol?
What is Kaido's island sized dragon suppose to do against that? Tickling that ancient creature? And Primebeard might be judged if we see BB pulling the full potential of the gura, so I partially agree with that at least.
Nah, pizza dough is just ONE example. This power grants Luffy so much more power to warp reality. How is that not busted?
It's a shonen like everything else and at worst, Luffy will end up comparable to those responsible for the upcoming powercreep.
So it isn't still known how Luffy's ultimate benchmark will look like.
Sure, you think he's a complete weak ass pussy and, considering his Egghead Island performance, you have all reasons to believe so but it's obvious how he's gonna end up like if you look at the fact how much is Joyboy already wanked, let alone Nika. Oda's just preparing us for the inevitable thing.
One Piece has a history of at least +900 years and the full mystery of Devil Fruits isn't revealed yet either. Especially when it comes to a god fruit like Nika, I sincerely doubt Luffy's current awakening is the complete peak of his power but we'll see anyway.
But if it happens, remember what I told you... and if it doesn't, well, you'd have a good laughter at least lmao.
How is that level of CoC a neat application when it screams pure power and domination over someone?
So will powerscaling happen or not???
What are WB and especially Kaido supposed to do against a world ending power lol?
What is Kaido's island sized dragon suppose to do against that? Tickling that ancient creature? And Primebeard might be judged if we see BB pulling the full potential of the gura, so I partially agree with that at least.
We have been over this topic several times so I figured to not repeat what I have already said many times but oh well...
I have often pointed out how flawed and limited FS is, it is not the peak of Observation. Zoro's BOAT is, detects everything, unlike FS.
Zoro's CoA is so good that it created KOH, a haki state. Nothing even comes close in Luffy's repertoire. IDCoA is just proof of inferiority.
Strength of CoC depends on the strength of the user without it and that is where rooftop has proven Zoro to be stronger than Luffy.
I don't particularly care if it is Pizza dough or anything else he does, the result is always the same - low damaji.
I don't know how you consider that busted... Lots of theatrics for close to no results...
Empty hype just like it was with sky split. While everyone is screaming OMG!!!, I ask how much damaji was dealt.
No, I don't think he is "weak ass pussy", he is strong enough for what he is, strong enough for how much plot armor he gets and how many tries he is served with. He is strong but nowhere strong enough to be in the talk for the top 10 of all time.
The whole thing about DFs is that they are manifestations of desire and G5 is what allows Luffy to manifest close to whatever he basically thinks of. There is nothing above that for him, DF-wise. He will keep manifesting ridiculous things but that is all.
Because it is the same thing Law did with CoA, his haki didn't become stronger, he simply found out that you can do that...
What Shanks/Joyboy did is the exact same thing but on the next level, with CoC instead of CoA.
Ask yourself this - what is that ability going to do when you face someone like Zoro, Mihawk and Shanks? Absolutely nothing.
No. The verse is capped by WSC and WSM, at least the old timers that existed in WSM/WSC's era.
Mihawk is not from that era, nor is Zoro and they are the only ones confirmed with WS title in the final saga.
Going from WSM to WSC and finally WSS, it is logical that Mihawk's(and Zoro's by default) power is greater than WSM/WSC's.
You cannot expect power creep from people like Admirals, Dragon, Elders, Imu who were in their prime when WSM/WSC were obtained.
Even Shanks is locked down by it but maybe somehow Oda finds room to wiggle with him considering the identical twin...
We have no clue what that world ending power is? If it is the same thing as 2nd destruction of the world aka Ancient Weapons, it plays no role in a character's individual strength. I agree that Blackbeard will likely surpass Whitebeard. A 3 DF combo with a possible soul of some important character from the past inside of him is a first. Shiryu might get more stacked than him if he does what I think he will but either way, both of them, in front of one gathered haki burst are reduced to normal power which is nothing out of the norm.
If there is any power creep, it will likely be done through favorable circumstances like, for example, endless shadows for Moriah, endless souls for Big Mom and that kind of thing. However, when you take such character's power in 1vs1 terms, their strength is nothing out of the norm.
I have often pointed out how flawed and limited FS is, it is not the peak of Observation. Zoro's BOAT is, detects everything, unlike FS.
Zoro's CoA is so good that it created KOH, a haki state. Nothing even comes close in Luffy's repertoire. IDCoA is just proof of inferiority.
Strength of CoC depends on the strength of the user without it and that is where rooftop has proven Zoro to be stronger than Luffy.
I don't particularly care if it is Pizza dough or anything else he does, the result is always the same - low damaji.
I don't know how you consider that busted... Lots of theatrics for close to no results...
Empty hype just like it was with sky split. While everyone is screaming OMG!!!, I ask how much damaji was dealt.
No, I don't think he is "weak ass pussy", he is strong enough for what he is, strong enough for how much plot armor he gets and how many tries he is served with. He is strong but nowhere strong enough to be in the talk for the top 10 of all time.
The whole thing about DFs is that they are manifestations of desire and G5 is what allows Luffy to manifest close to whatever he basically thinks of. There is nothing above that for him, DF-wise. He will keep manifesting ridiculous things but that is all.
Because it is the same thing Law did with CoA, his haki didn't become stronger, he simply found out that you can do that...
What Shanks/Joyboy did is the exact same thing but on the next level, with CoC instead of CoA.
Ask yourself this - what is that ability going to do when you face someone like Zoro, Mihawk and Shanks? Absolutely nothing.
No. The verse is capped by WSC and WSM, at least the old timers that existed in WSM/WSC's era.
Mihawk is not from that era, nor is Zoro and they are the only ones confirmed with WS title in the final saga.
Going from WSM to WSC and finally WSS, it is logical that Mihawk's(and Zoro's by default) power is greater than WSM/WSC's.
You cannot expect power creep from people like Admirals, Dragon, Elders, Imu who were in their prime when WSM/WSC were obtained.
Even Shanks is locked down by it but maybe somehow Oda finds room to wiggle with him considering the identical twin...
We have no clue what that world ending power is? If it is the same thing as 2nd destruction of the world aka Ancient Weapons, it plays no role in a character's individual strength. I agree that Blackbeard will likely surpass Whitebeard. A 3 DF combo with a possible soul of some important character from the past inside of him is a first. Shiryu might get more stacked than him if he does what I think he will but either way, both of them, in front of one gathered haki burst are reduced to normal power which is nothing out of the norm.
If there is any power creep, it will likely be done through favorable circumstances like, for example, endless shadows for Moriah, endless souls for Big Mom and that kind of thing. However, when you take such character's power in 1vs1 terms, their strength is nothing out of the norm.
You do realize that the deities being referred to in the mural/texts are persons like other chars. Shirahoshi is the deity of the Sea, the poseidon who can control neptunians, the sun god is Nika/JB. Which of these is going to break the power scale? The deity of Forest and Earth and Serpent of Hell Flame are similarly very powerful persons. If JB can fight against the deity of Forest and his haki is directly compared to Shanks then how high do you think the other legends are.
We literally have in verse cultures who are referring to a giant pig as mountain god, Ryuma as sword god, Nika/JB as sun god, the retarded dancing snake in Skypiea, Lunarians as gods. Not saying that there wont be power creep but it wont be to the degree of Naruto.
We literally have in verse cultures who are referring to a giant pig as mountain god, Ryuma as sword god, Nika/JB as sun god, the retarded dancing snake in Skypiea, Lunarians as gods. Not saying that there wont be power creep but it wont be to the degree of Naruto.
A) thats your headcanon who is which deity
B) this being a clown answer has nothing to do with them called gods or something, but the scale of the war and the scale of the story implied and how hard joyboy jobbed and roger didnt even try
I overly agree with you that titles like god,holy and so on are given based on culture and should be not used for that stuff, thats not the issue here
I actually am ready bet it will exceed naruto (not counting boruto shit obv)
B) this being a clown answer has nothing to do with them called gods or something, but the scale of the war and the scale of the story implied and how hard joyboy jobbed and roger didnt even try
I overly agree with you that titles like god,holy and so on are given based on culture and should be not used for that stuff, thats not the issue here
I actually am ready bet it will exceed naruto (not counting boruto shit obv)