Questions & Mysteries Will Zoro and Sanji split the sky?
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He wasn't a yonko back then.
It's headcanon to assume he didn't get stronger since coming back, despite going from not a yonko, to reaching the pinacle of piracy.
Lots of One Piece analysis is by it's nature "headcanon", you yourself just said "I can imagine skysplitting happening".
We know haki blooms are a thing, we know Shanks rose to his peak after betting his arm on the new era and stopping his duels with Mihawk.
It's headcanon to assume he didn't get stronger since coming back, despite going from not a yonko, to reaching the pinacle of piracy.
Lots of One Piece analysis is by it's nature "headcanon", you yourself just said "I can imagine skysplitting happening".
We know haki blooms are a thing, we know Shanks rose to his peak after betting his arm on the new era and stopping his duels with Mihawk.
That still doesn't exclude him having ACoC against Mihawk though. We all know you can even strengthen ACoC if we look the past chapters. When Luffy first unlocked ACoC he wasn't able to split the skies against Kaido, same to Yamato. Only when he faced Kaido the 3rd time he was able to do that. Which basically confirms that ACoC can also bloom. By WB hyping up Mihawks and Shanks battle it is very safe that ACoC was in play. Headcannon or not, I am reffering to an Top Tier who can use ACoC by himself. Someone like that wouldn't hype a simple CoA fight, there has to be more to that. And like I earlier said top tiers are the strongest among the strong and Mihawk is certainly a part of that agenda. I can hardly imagine Mihawk surpassing Shanks without a tool such as ACoC.
When Luffy first fought Kaido, the big clouds weren't really there to be split, but the peripheral clouds that were there were dispersed, he was still clashing equally with Kaido before post adv CoC round 2, but his stamina was not on point and he was wasteful.
Mihawk doesn't surpass Shanks, Shanks is Luffy's soft goal. Luffy is more important to the story than Zoro, and Mihawk himself said his goal is higher than WSS.
Black blades aren't "simple", they are the peak of "swordsmanship".
This is why Roger and Shanks are sword users like BM/King/Queen and not true pure swordsmen, because they are CoC specialists who use outside abilities to supplement their swordsmanship.
Zoro is confirmed to be a CoA specialist not a CoC specialist, I don't know why you think he will outshine or even match Luffy in CoC considering Luffy is the mc and it is his specialty.
Mihawk doesn't surpass Shanks, Shanks is Luffy's soft goal. Luffy is more important to the story than Zoro, and Mihawk himself said his goal is higher than WSS.
Black blades aren't "simple", they are the peak of "swordsmanship".
This is why Roger and Shanks are sword users like BM/King/Queen and not true pure swordsmen, because they are CoC specialists who use outside abilities to supplement their swordsmanship.
Zoro is confirmed to be a CoA specialist not a CoC specialist, I don't know why you think he will outshine or even match Luffy in CoC considering Luffy is the mc and it is his specialty.
Literally everywhere you see states that Mihawk is waiting for someone stronger than Shanks. Why would he want to fight someone stronger than shanks if he is not already stronger than Shanks? Where is the logic in that? I dunno but Shanks is labeled as a Swordsman and he is not called the WSS unlike Mihawk. Whats your problem with Mihawk? You literally downplay him everywhere despite the established facts. 
Literally everywhere you see states that Mihawk is waiting for someone stronger than Shanks. Why would he want to fight someone stronger than shanks if he is not already stronger than Shanks? Where is the logic in that? I dunno but Shanks is labeled as a Swordsman and he is not called the WSS unlike Mihawk. Whats your problem with Mihawk? You literally downplay him everywhere despite the established facts.
He cares about ensuring this era goes as his captain Roger wanted, it has been said he lost "no strength" from losing his arm, and it is known that he went from not being a yonko before losing his arm to being one of the four yonko.
Mihawk literally said being PK is above WSS and we all know this manga is about Luffy becoming Pirate King at the center of everything.
In the manga it is never said he is looking for someone stronger than Shanks, merely that he wanted Zoro to try to become a better swordsman than him and separately that he stopped dueling Shanks because it was dishonorable.
Mihawk is looking for a duel, King is a good example in that he elucidated perfectly that how doesn't care about "duels" and will do whatever is most effective to win. I have never said Shanks is better than Mihawk in pure swordsmanship, I have never said he can create a black blade, but apparently I'm the downplayer after denying the people that are automatically putting him over Shanks and giving him abilities "he must have" in their circular logic. Sanji is 95% as strong as Zoro just from Kicks, why can't Shanks (like Rayleigh) use Kicks as well as his blade as a primary source of his power? He uses guns in the game, he has wide range AoE haki strikes etc. Shanks has shown hints of this CoC mastery on panel destroying WB's ship passively, Mihawk hasn't, but he "must have" it to be "stronger than Shanks".
I am not downplaying him. If I would I wouldn't consider Shanks as a top tier. But I clearly do. I am just saying that Mihawk stands above him since he has the WSS title. You can't just say that Shanks doesn't care about the WSS title without any context in the manga aswell. As long as he didn't state it its just headcannon. In fact the fact that he duelled with Mihawk in the past numerous times indicates it otherwise. Like I said every page about Mihawk is stating that he is waiting for someone stronger than Shanks. If that wasn't odas words it wouldn't be supported on those pages.
Shanks can use kicks and punches, that won't make him less of an swordsman as we already saw in the manga that a swordsman can also do these things and still be considered as a swordsman. The pages I am reffering to are not saying that Mihawk is waiting for someone who can use a sword better than Shanks but being completely stronger than him. That includes everything, punches, kicks and whatnot.
You're right Mihawk doesn't want to fight Shanks anymore because he only has one arm, but thats only the half truth. That doesn't say anything about Shanks being stronger or weaker than Mihawk. The information we get from the pages however are a clear statement about power scaling. And lets be real if shanks and mihawk fought on equal footing back then and shanks grew stronger why wouldn't it apply to Mihawk as well? Is mihawk stuck in the past or what?
Just by the pure fact that Mihawk is a top tier its safe to assume that he also posseses ACoC like Shanks.
Shanks can use kicks and punches, that won't make him less of an swordsman as we already saw in the manga that a swordsman can also do these things and still be considered as a swordsman. The pages I am reffering to are not saying that Mihawk is waiting for someone who can use a sword better than Shanks but being completely stronger than him. That includes everything, punches, kicks and whatnot.
You're right Mihawk doesn't want to fight Shanks anymore because he only has one arm, but thats only the half truth. That doesn't say anything about Shanks being stronger or weaker than Mihawk. The information we get from the pages however are a clear statement about power scaling. And lets be real if shanks and mihawk fought on equal footing back then and shanks grew stronger why wouldn't it apply to Mihawk as well? Is mihawk stuck in the past or what?
Just by the pure fact that Mihawk is a top tier its safe to assume that he also posseses ACoC like Shanks.
We do know Shanks doesn't care about WSS enough to force Mihawk to a duel that he doesn't want after losing his arm, and we do know that he lost no strength from losing his arm...
We do know he grew in prestige dramatically after he bet his arm on the new era. We do know haki blooms are a thing.
Mihawk never ever said "someone stronger than Shanks" that is your headcanon filling in gaps with the presupposition that Mihawk>Shanks, Mihawk wanted Zoro to aim to be stronger than himself, not Shanks.
When King used a punch Zoro confronted King about it, then King said he wasn't a swordsman and the other tactics made him stronger. We know Shanks' fights with Mihawk were "sword duels" not all out no holds barred pirate fights. So no you are filling in head canon to say this included other tactics.
I've already gone over the ACoC, you repeating your argument isn't going to convince me any more than mine will convince you; "only the strongest have ACoC" is not the same as "all the 'strongest' have to have ACoC to be the strongest".
We do know he grew in prestige dramatically after he bet his arm on the new era. We do know haki blooms are a thing.
Mihawk never ever said "someone stronger than Shanks" that is your headcanon filling in gaps with the presupposition that Mihawk>Shanks, Mihawk wanted Zoro to aim to be stronger than himself, not Shanks.
When King used a punch Zoro confronted King about it, then King said he wasn't a swordsman and the other tactics made him stronger. We know Shanks' fights with Mihawk were "sword duels" not all out no holds barred pirate fights. So no you are filling in head canon to say this included other tactics.
I've already gone over the ACoC, you repeating your argument isn't going to convince me any more than mine will convince you; "only the strongest have ACoC" is not the same as "all the 'strongest' have to have ACoC to be the strongest".
Literally everywhere you see states that Mihawk is waiting for someone stronger than Shanks. Why would he want to fight someone stronger than shanks if he is not already stronger than Shanks? Where is the logic in that? I dunno but Shanks is labeled as a Swordsman and he is not called the WSS unlike Mihawk. Whats your problem with Mihawk? You literally downplay him everywhere despite the established facts.
