Questions & Mysteries Would BM warn against Kinemon with Oden's sword?

ankama

ankama

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It should be understood that Kinemon (+3 scabbard) jumped into the future for 20 years and he judges by his experience of 20 years ago.
Ashura and the others, in turn, have become much stronger in these 20 years, which is explicitly stated in the manga, and there is no reason to believe that they are not able to handle Enma.
The blacksmith kept these swords in his possession for the entire 20 years after Oden's execution, waiting for the appointed time. That is, the only person who has ever wielded these swords is Oden himself. During his life and after his death until the current events, it is not said or shown that anyone else tried to use these swords.
 
Doggo

Doggo

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Cinera said:
The scenario isn't that Kinemon could wield the blade, it's assuming that Kinemon trained with another Kouzaburou sword since childhood. That wouldn't necessarily grant him the amount of haki he would need to withstand using Enma.



Sanjikun has been coming up off recent, perhaps make a Luffy - Kaido panel with Sanjikun as Luffy, and Moe and the other legends in the background? "How high will your crying reach?"




That would be pretty cool if he did. I doubt it though.


Nah, Vergo is nowhere near as special as Oden.



Kinemon would have been turned into a husk. Zoro's entire arm was turned into a husk:


Kinemon
admitted that he doesn't have what it takes to wield Enma:


One of the top Scabbards (Kawamatsu) expressed their amazement at Zoro accepting Enma:


Combine this with Hitetsu's words that only Oden could tame Enma:


It's pretty clear that Kinemon and co wouldn't have been able to survive using Enma. Kinemon heavily suggests that himself.
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Kinemon suggets that he doesnt have what it takes to wield Enma properly.
That's all.
Not only that, he actually underestime Zoro, assuming he also couldnt.
But he expected Zoro to be strong enough to not die by testing it, otherwise he would have warned him beforehand.
The things is, it does not mean the scabbards are not strong enough to not just drop dead after using Enma once. It just mean they can't achieve full control over it. Since they cant fully control it, it makes no sense for them to try using it, since it would only be a hazard.
Saying they would simply not do anything except drop dead like they are a bunch of random fodder samurai is just downplaying them.
 
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Geo

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Cinera

Cinera

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MonsterKaido said:
most likely but ashura douji/denjiro/inu/neko/ are close to pre-enma zoro level.
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MonsterKaido said:
:seriously: Denjiro was holding two sword zoro easily. Others are all yc3/ close to yc3 level. What makes pre-enma zoro more impressive than them.
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  • Santoryu Zoro is considerably stronger than his Nitoryu self
  • Taming Enma may be about more than raw combat ability
    • Haki, willpower, etc. may all play pivotal roles


Sword God Ryuma said:
Small clashes doesn't mean anything in OP. Hyouzou was clashing with Zoro for longer then Dejiro was. Then Zoro destroyed him afterwards
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Lol, don't bring this up. Denjiro looked superior to Nitoryu Zoro in their short clash. Hyouzou never had the better of Zoro. I also don't think this was true. The Zoro vs Denjiro clash was also partially offscreened.
 
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Sword God Ryuma

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Cinera said:
  • Santoryu Zoro is considerably stronger than his Nitoryu self
  • Taming Enma may be about more than raw combat ability
    • Haki, willpower, etc. may all play pivotal roles



Lol, don't bring this up. Denjiro looked superior to Nitoryu Zoro in their short clash. Hyouzou never had the better of Zoro. I also don't think this was true. The Zoro vs Denjiro clash was also partially offscreened.
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Denjiro never looked better than Zoro in their small clash. Denjiro didn't do anything to Zoro.
 
Loki D. Terror

Loki D. Terror

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Sword God Ryuma said:
Youkous praised him and told another to dodge. Just ckear difference and the wind attack had them all confused but Denjiro who sensed it. Zoro casually blocks
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Yes but the attack never hit them...so we can't directly compare. All we can say that zoro>>kiku clearly. Don't forget ashura douji gave some trouble to oden 30 years ago and inu/neko are also very impressive. Pre-enma zoro is not way above them.
 
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trav

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Jo_Ndule said:
@trav
Will Zoro be relevant vs Kaido if he didn't have enma?
Was Enma more hyped than Zoro or not in chapter 1002?
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definitely. Enma does not generate haki. Zoro has the same amount of ryou at his disposal with any other sword.
did Enma get hype? yes. obviously. its supposed to. its late Odens blade.
sanjikun said:
Zoro "I was too weak for being knocked out to Kamazou. It was my fault."

Zoro fanboys "It was because of hunger"
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Zoro does not make excuses. that does not mean there are no exterior reasons for his failures.
you also did not see Zoro complaining about being outnumbered, yet he was. and thats definitely a disadvantage.
hes blaming himself for succumbing to [insert w/e reason]. that does not mean the [insert w/e reason] was not there.

sanjikun said:
Zoro "I missed"

Zoro fanboys "He didn't miss."
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just have to pick the right translation.
if the person you are aiming for moves out of the way you missed aswell. both are not mutually exclusive. no, ones the logical outcome of the other.

sanjikun said:
Hitetsu "The reason you can handle Enma is because of Wado"

Zoro fanboys "The panel doesn't show it"
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you are paraphrasing. still. panels please.
it will be a pleasure to explain to you where you grossly misinterpreted the manga.
Hitetsu says that Enma suits him because of Wado. not that its easier to use Enma because of Wado.
even the worst translation says that he may be getting used to Enma more quickly because of Wado and not that Wado offsets Enmas adverse effects. familiarity with how the sword behaves and not with its ryou wasting effect.

try again.
 
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Rekien

Rekien

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sanjikun said:
Dude, how many times do you throw out translations and get bodied? The term used is "najimu"

  1. to become familiar with or accustomed to something
There is no difference between the two translations. By "familiar" they mean handling. The French says "handling".



It's not dishonest. It's literally the translation. Read ^. If Scabbards used a Kozaburo sword, they could handle it too.
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You are literaly lying LOL, thats the definition of being dishonest.... Even in the translation you are using the smithy says "the main reason why you are getting used to it this QUICKLY....", meaning Zoro is able to tame enma regardless it would just take more than a single week.
 
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