General & Others Zoro and Ryuma and cutting dragons

[Desolate Smaug]

Lol what is this shit
If zoro got napped you clown wtf do you call what kaido did to luffy.
Fought big mom ? Got smacked around by nerfed meme and saved by queen.
Zoro saved hiyori beat killer
Zoro held off hawkins got tama to safety
Zoro won the respect of yasu like oden
Saved his daughter trained his son
Became the only other person to master his sword
Won the respect of his followers.

Yea he really outshone Luffy by doing stuff no one knows about .
Luffy even after getting raped by Kaido was blazing his CoC nonstop. That's the stuff that really impressed Ashura.

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Zoro's achievement this arc more or less comparable with those of Sanji

Both got hand me down powerups.
Both skirmished with a supernova (Hawkins and Drake)
Both defeated a supernova (Page one is more or less at that level)
Both participated in the Yasu execution skirmish
Both are wanted criminals around Wano and the capital in particular.

Zoro though kinda edges Sanji by being involved directly with Oden's daughter and Yasu. Sanji was only involved with Yasu's daughter.

 

[Zenos7]

People wanna make Zoro as main focus
He isnt.

Stop
Wano isnt about Zoro.... the only one that received his own arc focused on him Pos TS is Sanji

Wano is everyone + allies vs Yonko

Zoro was off paneled and not even mentions in many chapters this arc
Luffy has been mentioned in almost every chapter since wano started even during reverie

Zoro hasn't shined more than Sanji even

I agree that this arc isnt about zoro, but saying he was off paneled in "many" chapters doesnt really constitute an argument against his significance in a supposed country of swordsmen. And how he didnt shine more than sanji is quite the mystery to me.

 

[Zowo]

Zoro's achievement this arc more or less comparable with those of Sanji

 

[nik87]

Luffy's memorable moment so far was his reckless fight against Kaido. That was big news. Even Ashura was impressed when he saw him.

Luffy vs Kaido was nothing memorable. Shutenmaru only noticed his CoC after he got knocked out. Nobody bothered about that fight, not even the Strawhats. Nothing about Luffy has been memorable in Wano so far. He had screen time but he did nothing except punch some fodder, that is all he did.

This is speculation with very little evidence... There are huge chunks of wano specifically with only Luffy in the doing shit while everyone else is apparently just fucking around in the back ground somewhere... Chopper travelled with big mom for so long apparently doing jack shit that it actually became a meme.... Sanji's fight was off screened... Brook found a poneglyph OFF SCREEN... Ussop and Franky pop up at random for gags... Even Zoro who has the most focus outside of Luffy has shit like his meeting with Yasu off screen and yet the plot demands that Zoro is apparently very close to Yasu and yet Oda doesn't bother showing it... and yet Luffy is shown punching every single prison guard... I can assure you there are more panels of Luffy punching fodder prison guards than panels of Robin and nami Doing anything useful IN THE WHOLE ARC

Luffy received probably the largest amount of panel time but he did nothing with it. Zoro was more involved with people of Wano than Luffy was. He traveled to every part of Wano, fitting the wandering ronin theme that he received in this arc. He has personal grudge with Shogun whose presence in Wano is greater than Kaido's. He brought back the treasure of Wano. He inherited Oden's sword. He protected the princess of the arc, he saved the life of O-Toko and O-Tsuru. He is in possession of Kitetsu sword whose creator Hitetsu is also involved with him. He, first hand, saw the horrors of SMILE effect in Ebisu town and Flower capital. He was involved with the protector of Ringo's region, the fox Onimaru, he wants to go to the grave of the Sword God and more...
This is what only happened and a lot more is expected to happen with Zoro being involved.

Luffy on the other hand, saved O-Tama and he wants to kick Kaido's ass. That is all. Looking how many parallels Wano has with TB, it wouldnt surprise me if Luffy gets the same importance in this arc. He had panel time in TB as well but most of the time he spent chasing Moriah's Doppelganger. Brick Bat aside, Luffy was hit entire 3 times in whole TB arc, he gave Oars a beating with power that isnt his own, he crushed Oars after a team effort where everyone did their part and he sped up the race against time, whether the dawn comes first or Moriah loses control over the shadows. Surely, he will have his time in Wano as well but considering that he will be taking on one of the Emperors, how much can he do?

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Luffy vs Kaido was nothing memorable. Shutenmaru only noticed his CoC after he got knocked out. Nobody bothered about that fight, not even the Strawhats. Nothing about Luffy has been memorable in Wano so far. He had screen time but he did nothing except punch some fodder, that is all he did.

Luffy received probably the largest amount of panel time but he did nothing with it. Zoro was more involved with people of Wano than Luffy was. He traveled to every part of Wano, fitting the wandering ronin theme that he received in this arc. He has personal grudge with Shogun whose presence in Wano is greater than Kaido's. He brought back the treasure of Wano. He inherited Oden's sword. He protected the princess of the arc, he saved the life of O-Toko and O-Tsuru. He is in possession of Kitetsu sword whose creator Hitetsu is also involved with him. He, first hand, saw the horrors of SMILE effect in Ebisu town and Flower capital. He was involved with the protector of Ringo's region, the fox Onimaru, he wants to go to the grave of the Sword God and more...
This is what only happened and a lot more is expected to happen with Zoro being involved.

Luffy on the other hand, saved O-Tama and he wants to kick Kaido's ass. That is all. Looking how many parallels Wano has with TB, it wouldnt surprise me if Luffy gets the same importance in this arc. He had panel time in TB as well but most of the time he spent chasing Moriah's Doppelganger. Brick Bat aside, Luffy was hit entire 3 times in whole TB arc, he gave Oars a beating with power that isnt his own, he crushed Oars after a team effort where everyone did their part and he sped up the race against time, whether the dawn comes first or Moriah loses control over the shadows. Surely, he will have his time in Wano as well but considering that he will be taking on one of the Emperors, how much can he do?

Well saying Zoro has some focus doesn't really change what I was talking about... This is still Luffy centered...

You were saying that this isn't Luffy's story but instead of addressing the whole crew getting sidelined you are trying to make it seen like this is Zoro's story which is DEFINITELY not true

Dude relax, Zoro's obviously supposed to get focus this arc and he has but he CANNOT outshine Luffy. That's impossible. One very obvious example of this is the main point of the two acts so far... the main point was gathering allies for the rebellion.... ANHA? So who did the gathering?

Zoro is being used for side plots that are interesting to an extent but ultimately cannot outshine Luffy since he's the one actually involved in the main plot... Like a clear example is the whole Koshiro is from Wano business. Oda himself literally says this is such a small detail that he might not even actually put it in the main story and might just get revealed in some vivre card or something... This is literally the first time anything about Zoro's past has been touched on for decades and Oda says it's so insignificant to the actual plot that he might not put it in...

Seriously I think you ought to manage your expectations here because Oda has been very clear in the new world that this is Luffy's story

 

[Finalbeta]

People wanna make Zoro as main focus
He isnt.

Stop
Wano isnt about Zoro.... the only one that received his own arc focused on him Pos TS is Sanji

Wano is everyone + allies vs Yonko

Zoro was off paneled and not even mentions in many chapters this arc
Luffy has been mentioned in almost every chapter since wano started even during reverie

Zoro hasn't shined more than Sanji even

Wano isn't about Zoro and so about Luffy. They will still get the better of any other guy and steal the show.

 

[nik87]

Well saying Zoro has some focus doesn't really change what I was talking about... This is still Luffy centered...

You were saying that this isn't Luffy's story but instead of addressing the whole crew getting sidelined you are trying to make it seen like this is Zoro's story which is DEFINITELY not true

Dude relax, Zoro's obviously supposed to get focus this arc and he has but he CANNOT outshine Luffy. That's impossible. One very obvious example of this is the main point of the two acts so far... the main point was gathering allies for the rebellion.... ANHA? So who did the gathering?

Zoro is being used for side plots that are interesting to an extent but ultimately cannot outshine Luffy since he's the one actually involved in the main plot... Like a clear example is the whole Koshiro is from Wano business. Oda himself literally says this is such a small detail that he might not even actually put it in the main story and might just get revealed in some vivre card or something... This is literally the first time anything about Zoro's past has been touched on for decades and Oda says it's so insignificant to the actual plot that he might not put it in...

Seriously I think you ought to manage your expectations here because Oda has been very clear in the new world that this is Luffy's story

I think you are judging this way too soon. Gathering the allies is irrelevant in the end, they are all fodder anyway, 99% of them and I dont think Zoro rounding up the samurai is just forgotten but will happen, not that it matters that much because, fodder as I said...
Zoro can and has outshined Luffy despite this not being his story. You should re-read Thriller Bark again to see how much focus Luffy actually got in that arc despite it being his story. WCI, arc where Zoro wasnt present, clouds your judgement, imo.

 

[Monster trio]

No, considering someone a model also means being fixiated like Zoro is with Mihawk. Plus my point was he taught him something which means Zoro got something from Mihawk, like literally.

Plus Zoro will need to surpass Mihawk which is though his mentor. Your example of Luffy with Shanks and BB is completely out of reach here.

what i am saying is that Zoro just looks up to the title not becoming like Mihawk .

 

[HA001]

what i am saying is that Zoro just looks up to the title not becoming like Mihawk .

Funny that. After 2 years training with him his post skip entrance was the same as mihawk slicing a ship in 2 and gave hyozou the same speech mihawk gave him.

 

[Desolate Smaug]

Well saying Zoro has some focus doesn't really change what I was talking about... This is still Luffy centered...

You were saying that this isn't Luffy's story but instead of addressing the whole crew getting sidelined you are trying to make it seen like this is Zoro's story which is DEFINITELY not true

Dude relax, Zoro's obviously supposed to get focus this arc and he has but he CANNOT outshine Luffy. That's impossible. One very obvious example of this is the main point of the two acts so far... the main point was gathering allies for the rebellion.... ANHA? So who did the gathering?

Zoro is being used for side plots that are interesting to an extent but ultimately cannot outshine Luffy since he's the one actually involved in the main plot... Like a clear example is the whole Koshiro is from Wano business. Oda himself literally says this is such a small detail that he might not even actually put it in the main story and might just get revealed in some vivre card or something... This is literally the first time anything about Zoro's past has been touched on for decades and Oda says it's so insignificant to the actual plot that he might not put it in...

Seriously I think you ought to manage your expectations here because Oda has been very clear in the new world that this is Luffy's story

Lol Oda actually said that? Talk about a subtle middle finger.

Anyways whatever happens the boys will still claim sir green outshone Luffy. That's the kind of bubble most of them live in.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Zoro can and has outshined Luffy

He has not... the one big thing that Zoro has done over Luffy is getting the princess which was usually what luffy does but that's it... Everything else Luffy has outshined him in... the only other thing you can speak ofis Zoro getting more fights but that's irrelevant since Luffy has fought Kaido and that's a far better fight

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Lol Oda actually said that? Talk about a subtle middle finger.

Anyways whatever happens the boys will still claim sir green outshone Luffy. That's the kind of bubble most of them live in.

Well of course Zoro's past has never mattered for 900 chapters so why would it matter now.... I much prefer it this way other than the Sanji shit where suddenly there's forced drama about Sanji's past because his actual future isn't important enough to give a shit about... Well Zoro's future far outweighs his past so there's no need to get bogged down is some Bullshit Zoro is from wano/ prince of wano/ descendant of Ryuma Bullshit

This entire thread us dedicated to just the prospect of Zoro vs King and just this one fight is do interesting that it is worth an entire thread for me.... thats how interesting Zoro's future endeavours are... and you can compare this thread to ANOTHER thread I made about Zoro's parentage and see how many responses exist in that thread and you can tell how interested people are in Zoro's past compared to his future

 

[nik87]

He has not...

I am talking about Thriller Bark...
Considering that Wano is a land of the samurai, it wouldnt surprise me if he outshines him here as well. You think Luffy will outshine Zoro because he will fight Kaido? What if Zoro joins that fight? And does something crucial?
Saving the princess is just one of many things that Zoro was involved with in Wano, his importance and involvement in this arc is greater than Luffy's who is just an outsider wanting to kick Kaido's ass who loses the trust of Udon inmates at the mention that he is a pirate...

 

[Monster trio]

Funny that. After 2 years training with him his post skip entrance was the same as mihawk slicing a ship in 2 and gave hyozou the same speech mihawk gave him.

he was his teacher for 2 years so of course he would get influenced by him but lets not forget that all of this died after FI and the whole cutting dragons and ryuma parallels started resurfacing .

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Zoro is far more like Ryuma than Mihawk..It's not even debatable

 

[Awakening_coming]

Pirate Hunter is better than all of those, if it was changed, should be Pirate Slayer.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Pirate hunter doesn't make sense

 

[Awakening_coming]

Ofc it makes sense, he always seek for stronger pirates, his hunting is never done.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

But he's a pirate now not a bounty hunter anymore

 

[Gran D. Master]

Pirate hunter doesn't make sense

Kaido is a pirate, so is King...

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Kaido is a pirate, so is King...

Okay ?