Questions & Mysteries Zoro having CoC

You can't affirm that Zoro didn't used adv CoC. But he 100% has CoC so it is possible.

First thing you have to understand that Haki is a mess and not well constructed system. Oda was lost with basic introductions and is even more lost with advanced versions.

Emma has it own presence. Oden was using it before so Kaido assimilate that to Oden presence. Is like there is only one Ferrari in your city and it's from Oden but he let Zoro take a ride on it. Kind of joke but I think you can understand. Actually Emma is more of a old and broken car since it is a nerf.

Zoro has CoC is 100% confirmed. Oden, Roger and if I'm correct WB never showed CoC as Luffy did by knocking out others but they have anyway. Zoro can be like them.

The haki leaking when using adv CoC is very controversial. We didn't saw Zoro leaking at this point. But in Dressrosa his sword leaks a bit. Fact is we didn't saw the panel of Zoro cutting Kaido. Only after. And the same goes to Oden. No haki leaking and no panel of the cut. So Oden didn't knew too?

Also both BM and Kaido are now using but previously we never saw them using or leaking haki.

We have WB x Shanks and BM x Kaido clash touching weapons and not leaking haki. And everybody has the same powers and haki. Only Shanks is not confirmed to have adv CoC but for sure he does. Only Roger and WB clash they weren't touching and leaking haki.

So it is just a mess. Oda just want to hype things up doesn't matter if make any sense or not.
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Luffy talks about Kaidou though, not Zoro. Kaidou just said Zoro is a CoC user and no wonder Zoro can scar him (give damage), nothing about CoC coating:lusalty:
Luffy didn't got hit by Zoro. Kaido did. Kaido never said about coat too. Luffy made his speech after Zoro attack. Maybe he saw Zoro doing it and figured out.
 
It's gonna be wild :

Kaido didn't egive a definitive answer about zoro having CoC. For now we say Zoro is a conqueror but all Kaido did was wonder "can you use CoC too?" /"do you also have CoC"
With Zoro himself not being sure about it at all. He denies it completely

This is similar to when:
  • Kaido wonders "why does his blade have Oden's presence."
At this point Kaido didn't make sure/confirm yet that Enma belonged to Oden.
  • Then a chapter later, we get him confirming "ah i see. .It's his (Oden's)sword "

Same thing when he wondered about Retainers using ryuo.. then we get confirmations from Retainers and kaido himself that they can indeed use Ryuo as Oden.

I think Kaido mistook Zoro's ashura as imbued CoC attack.
Because after Zoro's answer...he says something else about Worstgen not even about Zoro that he truly has CoC or can use AdCoC.
People claiming Ashura is adCoC when Oda only shows someone using adCoC when their blades/attacks have haki leakage and thick sparks when they attacks

Look at Luffy's case:

  • When kaido asked "ah you can also use CoC..just like Kidd" before he says that, we saw Luffy using CoC unconsciously!
  • When he uses adCoC, we clearly see the difference in visuals with sparks and haki leakage from his arms
  • When he unlocked CoC pre ts, was using it subconsciously, we saw burst! We clearly saw visuals/panels of him using CoC!


As for me...im open to say Zoro has CoC
But the fact is that, Oda didn't do these things for Zoro!
Nothing this chapter proves 100% Zoro has CoC! And He surely has no adCoC!

He compared Retainers using ryuo to Oden's ...we firstly see them using ryuo before Kaido comments!
Compared Luffy's CoC to Kidd ... we firstly saw Luffy using CoC before Kaido comments!
When Luffy says Kaido uses AdCoC, we see kaido used it and uses it ..same with Luffy. Things are clear not ambiguous!

People can hate or bash me but if you look at the manga...Whenever someone awakens/uses any haki or advanced haki, we clearly see the visuals! We see them using it...it isn't ambiguous!

We don't just hear "oh can you use X haki?" With no visuals , no proof except just a question.
We clearly see them using CoC with confirmations and proofs on panels!


But when Kaido feels Oden's presence in Enma and confirms it. We also see visuals that enma have weird aura around it


You and other fanboys :

There's no Oden's haki/presnce in the balde

Kaido mistook Zoro's haki for Oden's! A blade can't store a presence or haki


Funnily :
when Kaido just wonders if Zoro has CoC without Oda showing visuals of zoro using CoC and no confirmations from Zoro and Kaiod
Fanboys : Zoro is confirmed to have CoC coz Kaido wondered...felt it might be CoC
So it is CoC and Ashura was imbued with CoC thuse Zoro has AdCoC too.
LOL you can't deny Oden's presence/haki being in enma which had visuals and confirmations from Kaido then accept Zoro having adCoC or using CoC without any visuals and confirmations based on a mere question from Kaido

Oda also never said you need CoCc to scar/hurt kaido! You need ryuo to hurt Kaido if you lack internal attacks or hax or enough power.
Retainers issue was AP not CoC or haki.
Kaido never said " you couldn't reopen it cause your haki sucks or you lack CoC"

This arc:

Kaido has always wondered --> confirmed ---> made comparisons
Whenever something seems odd. Whenever he felt haki or was hurt (Enma, CoA or CoC or adCoC)

Right now...Oda stopped kaido at wondering points

So far in this arc :
  • Brook wondered if Zoro used CoC ---> zoro denies
  • Kaido wonders if Zoro used CoC/has CoC --> Zoro denies

In both cases :
  • we don't see visuals of CoC emitting from Zoro before or when he attacked/talks!
  • we see Brook mistook The earthquake came from Zoro screaming madly!
  • Which might mean Kaido also mistook Zoro's intiimidating spirit being CoC!
Does Zoro have CoC? *Yeah maybe*
Does he have adCoC? No

Visuals or confirmations on Panels are always proof of someone using haki especially for the first time if it is a strawhat! Which Zoro doesn't have yet!

In Oden and Kidd cases, Oda made direct comparisons statement from Kaido and Ashura about Luffy using CoC just like them.

Be patient, Oda will make it clear with visuals if Zoro truly has CoC.
He will draw the CoC sparks or burst around Zoro when he attacks/glares , make clear comments frm other characters even if Zoro isn't aware...we would see CoC usage clearly.
If side characters (like kata, fuji, coby) can be shown with visual when using CoO or CoC then surely Zoro would also get them for CoC if he has it.
Oda also won't have Zoro's CoC /new skill moment be lackluster...not have visuals.

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Wait, who is Sanji?

If you mean "Fodder + Clown + Ero Cooku -> Flownji" then don't even consider him in the list.

Oda has shown where Flownji stands in the crew when people like you started equating to God + Zoro -> GZoro.

Flownji had his time until Enies Lobby & followed by this arc, he became a joke of the strawhats fit for nothing. His opponents were either clown like him or joke until the end.

All these days people were bitching about Enma whereas GZoro blocked the strongest attack in OP verse which has nothing to do with the Enma which once again was a tight slap for haters like you.

Coming back to your post, how much butthurt are you to desperately to look down on GZoro when Oda himself has put GZoro on the pedestal beyond his captain, Luffy? Going against author will fetch you nothing but all the trouble to make you look like a Flownji.

The chapter itself was named as "Haoshoku Haki -> Conqueror's Haki" representing the usage of Advance Haosholku Haki in various forms & one such form is GZoro's Ashura which he was using even before Luffy dreamt about it.

Back in MF arc, Luffy didn't knew what Haoshoku Haki was despite Flownji's master Okama asking about it. The history has repeated in GZoro's case with swap of characters of GZoro with Luffy & Flownji's master with Kaido. In every aspects, dimensions & factors, GZoro's advance Haoshoku Haki is superior to Luffy's Haoshoku Haki or Advanced Haoshoku Haki.

Right now Luffy's base punches coated with Adv-Haoshoku Haki is nowhere near the level of Ashura & that too when GZoro pulled it when he could even hardly stand. Only if Luffy's G4 mode imbued with Adv-Haoshoku Haki does a remarkable damage than that of Ashura, it is worth to discuss & compare to the likes of GZoro's Ashura. Until then keep whining and weeping in the corner, you haters.
 
Luffy talks about Kaidou though, not Zoro. Kaidou just said Zoro is a CoC user and no wonder Zoro can scar him (give damage), nothing about CoC coating:lusalty:
What does that have to do with my point.

Kaido touched his scar and then states that Zoro had COC. so obviously it is the attack which had COC managing to scar Kaido.
 
Well,Zoro's potential was aknowledged by Mihawk in the East Blue!Pre-skip Zoro had some pretty though fights while severely injuried,so he has the determination to be a COC candidate!First straw hat to tap into haki(mr1 fight)!After enies lobby,Luffy used COC for the first time,while Zoro was depicted as having an intimidating aura and was confused as straw hats captain!In the same arc,we got introduced to conquerors haki and advanced coa(dark king introduction)!Now,in Wano Oda teased Zoro's Coc twice:by having chopper think Zoro was using it and when Kaido confused Zoro's Ashura attack with COC!Also,Zoro is the only one outside of Oden(a coc user) who can tame Enma,Zoro also had the guts to use a cursed blade before!
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Wait, who is Sanji?

If you mean "Fodder + Clown + Ero Cooku -> Flownji" then don't even consider him in the list.

Oda has shown where Flownji stands in the crew when people like you started equating to God + Zoro -> GZoro.

Flownji had his time until Enies Lobby & followed by this arc, he became a joke of the strawhats fit for nothing. His opponents were either clown like him or joke until the end.

All these days people were bitching about Enma whereas GZoro blocked the strongest attack in OP verse which has nothing to do with the Enma which once again was a tight slap for haters like you.

Coming back to your post, how much butthurt are you to desperately to look down on GZoro when Oda himself has put GZoro on the pedestal beyond his captain, Luffy? Going against author will fetch you nothing but all the trouble to make you look like a Flownji.

The chapter itself was named as "Haoshoku Haki -> Conqueror's Haki" representing the usage of Advance Haosholku Haki in various forms & one such form is GZoro's Ashura which he was using even before Luffy dreamt about it.

Back in MF arc, Luffy didn't knew what Haoshoku Haki was despite Flownji's master Okama asking about it. The history has repeated in GZoro's case with swap of characters of GZoro with Luffy & Flownji's master with Kaido. In every aspects, dimensions & factors, GZoro's advance Haoshoku Haki is superior to Luffy's Haoshoku Haki or Advanced Haoshoku Haki.

Right now Luffy's base punches coated with Adv-Haoshoku Haki is nowhere near the level of Ashura & that too when GZoro pulled it when he could even hardly stand. Only if Luffy's G4 mode imbued with Adv-Haoshoku Haki does a remarkable damage than that of Ashura, it is worth to discuss & compare to the likes of GZoro's Ashura. Until then keep whining and weeping in the corner, you haters.
Luffy is hurting Kaido in base with advanced CoC!Ashura is Zoro's best attack,of course the damage will be different!Just you wait when Luffy pulls off G4 KKG coated in advanced coa and conqueros!It will be Whitebeard's Level of Destruction!It might even destroy the Skull dome!
 
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I think Kaido mistook Zoro's ashura as imbued CoC attack.

People claiming Ashura is adCoC when Oda only shows someone using adCoC when their blades/attacks have haki leakage and thick sparks when they attacks

Nothing this chapter proves 100% Zoro has CoC! And He surely has no adCoC!

Oda will make it clear with visuals if Zoro truly has CoC.
He will draw the CoC sparks or burst around Zoro when he attacks/glares

:shame:
 

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It's gonna be wild :

Kaido didn't egive a definitive answer about zoro having CoC. For now we say Zoro is a conqueror but all Kaido did was wonder "can you use CoC too?" /"do you also have CoC"
With Zoro himself not being sure about it at all. He denies it completely

This is similar to when:
  • Kaido wonders "why does his blade have Oden's presence."
At this point Kaido didn't make sure/confirm yet that Enma belonged to Oden.
  • Then a chapter later, we get him confirming "ah i see. .It's his (Oden's)sword "

Same thing when he wondered about Retainers using ryuo.. then we get confirmations from Retainers and kaido himself that they can indeed use Ryuo as Oden.

I think Kaido mistook Zoro's ashura as imbued CoC attack.
Because after Zoro's answer...he says something else about Worstgen not even about Zoro that he truly has CoC or can use AdCoC.
People claiming Ashura is adCoC when Oda only shows someone using adCoC when their blades/attacks have haki leakage and thick sparks when they attacks

Look at Luffy's case:

  • When kaido asked "ah you can also use CoC..just like Kidd" before he says that, we saw Luffy using CoC unconsciously!
  • When he uses adCoC, we clearly see the difference in visuals with sparks and haki leakage from his arms
  • When he unlocked CoC pre ts, was using it subconsciously, we saw burst! We clearly saw visuals/panels of him using CoC!


As for me...im open to say Zoro has CoC
But the fact is that, Oda didn't do these things for Zoro!
Nothing this chapter proves 100% Zoro has CoC! And He surely has no adCoC!

He compared Retainers using ryuo to Oden's ...we firstly see them using ryuo before Kaido comments!
Compared Luffy's CoC to Kidd ... we firstly saw Luffy using CoC before Kaido comments!
When Luffy says Kaido uses AdCoC, we see kaido used it and uses it ..same with Luffy. Things are clear not ambiguous!

People can hate or bash me but if you look at the manga...Whenever someone awakens/uses any haki or advanced haki, we clearly see the visuals! We see them using it...it isn't ambiguous!

We don't just hear "oh can you use X haki?" With no visuals , no proof except just a question.
We clearly see them using CoC with confirmations and proofs on panels!


But when Kaido feels Oden's presence in Enma and confirms it. We also see visuals that enma have weird aura around it


You and other fanboys :

There's no Oden's haki/presnce in the balde

Kaido mistook Zoro's haki for Oden's! A blade can't store a presence or haki


Funnily :
when Kaido just wonders if Zoro has CoC without Oda showing visuals of zoro using CoC and no confirmations from Zoro and Kaiod
Fanboys : Zoro is confirmed to have CoC coz Kaido wondered...felt it might be CoC
So it is CoC and Ashura was imbued with CoC thuse Zoro has AdCoC too.
LOL you can't deny Oden's presence/haki being in enma which had visuals and confirmations from Kaido then accept Zoro having adCoC or using CoC without any visuals and confirmations based on a mere question from Kaido

Oda also never said you need CoCc to scar/hurt kaido! You need ryuo to hurt Kaido if you lack internal attacks or hax or enough power.
Retainers issue was AP not CoC or haki.
Kaido never said " you couldn't reopen it cause your haki sucks or you lack CoC"

This arc:

Kaido has always wondered --> confirmed ---> made comparisons
Whenever something seems odd. Whenever he felt haki or was hurt (Enma, CoA or CoC or adCoC)

Right now...Oda stopped kaido at wondering points

So far in this arc :
  • Brook wondered if Zoro used CoC ---> zoro denies
  • Kaido wonders if Zoro used CoC/has CoC --> Zoro denies

In both cases :
  • we don't see visuals of CoC emitting from Zoro before or when he attacked/talks!
  • we see Brook mistook The earthquake came from Zoro screaming madly!
  • Which might mean Kaido also mistook Zoro's intiimidating spirit being CoC!
Does Zoro have CoC? *Yeah maybe*
Does he have adCoC? No

Visuals or confirmations on Panels are always proof of someone using haki especially for the first time if it is a strawhat! Which Zoro doesn't have yet!

In Oden and Kidd cases, Oda made direct comparisons statement from Kaido and Ashura about Luffy using CoC just like them.

Be patient, Oda will make it clear with visuals if Zoro truly has CoC.
He will draw the CoC sparks or burst around Zoro when he attacks/glares , make clear comments frm other characters even if Zoro isn't aware...we would see CoC usage clearly.

If side characters (like kata, fuji, coby) can be shown with visual when using CoO or CoC then surely Zoro would also get them for CoC if he has it.
Oda also won't have Zoro's CoC /new skill moment be lackluster...not have visuals.

@playa4321 @Sentinel @comrade @Celestial D. Dragon @sanjikun @WesMidnight @SanjiIsStrongerThanZolo @Hades
Reread my posts and the bolded part

And I was right... Oda would never draw CoC or adcoc without Visuals
Told you guys to wait and it happened this chapter

What happened on the roof was ambiguous for a purpose. It wasn't a confirmation Zoro used CoC
What happened this chapter is clear ans properly shown he unlocked CoC /adcoc.

Next time fanboys should stop talking like they know about how Oda writes haki reveals , especially CoC

No visuals = no CoC confirmations
That has always been my argument whicj is factual in the manga
 
Asura being advanced CoC makes zero sense within the chapter, Kaido saying "only the strong" and being SHOOK when Luffy used it doesn't stack up if Luffy's subordinate used advanced CoC a few seconds earlier lol.
Man i love reading your dumb posts :kobeha:
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Just invent a theory with no real support from the manga, say it's definitely true, and bury your head in the sand to all other evidence to the contrary.
:kobeha:
 
I think more persons in the one piece world have might have coc but they doesn't even unlock/notice it until they are in a very desperate situation i think zoro's case is same he does have coc but not sure, same like Luffys case when he used it in paramount war but doesn't know about it
 
Reread my posts and the bolded part

And I was right... Oda would never draw CoC or adcoc without Visuals
Told you guys to wait and it happened this chapter

What happened on the roof was ambiguous for a purpose. It wasn't a confirmation Zoro used CoC
What happened this chapter is clear ans properly shown he unlocked CoC /adcoc.

Next time fanboys should stop talking like they know about how Oda writes haki reveals , especially CoC

No visuals = no CoC confirmations
That has always been my argument whicj is factual in the manga
So Zoro scarred the strongest man in the world with just his COA alone. Seems like a Win by my book :pepedoffy:
 
Living example of why Ndule's takes are obsessed agenda against Zoro that shall overtake any hint of reasonable logic.

"Zoro no use CoC on rooftop. Kaido retarded."

"Enma store nd use Oden haki, xd"

Two head-canons shattered by final chapter, but in all honesty, these were far too stupid to be head-canons to begin with.
 
If Oda wanted to make it clear he would, he loves trolling the fanbase, I don't think it's CoC, just misidentified like Brook misidentified earlier or they misidentified Cracker's swordsman aura. Whether it is base CoC is up to debate, but I will go by Zoro's word on Zoro's capabilities, rather than Kaido or a zorotard on a forum.

Asura being advanced CoC makes zero sense within the chapter, Kaido saying "only the strong" and being SHOOK when Luffy used it doesn't stack up if Luffy's subordinate used advanced CoC a few seconds earlier lol. Also the clear fact it doesn't even look like advanced CoC and you realise this is a zorotard delusion that should be laughed at.
Say sike:kawak:
 
If they say Zoro used Adv. CoC against Kaido then they would be admitting Zoro was Superior to Luffy since he had it before him
If they say Zoro didn't use Adv. CoC against Kaido then that means he gave him Permanant Scar with only CoA which makes his CoA only Rival Adv. CoC of others lol meaning that current Zoro with Adv. CoC is vastly Superior

Zoro is always Stronger no matter how you translate that Scene
 
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