Questions & Mysteries Zoro having CoC

Sanji D Goat

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#81
One more time for people on the back. Asura got retconned into CoC as a form of manifestation aura of the user.
 
#83
Why would Kaido be surprised that Luffy had advanced CoC then and say dismissively that only the strong could have it, with the implication that Luffy wouldn't be able to have it this fight?

This is just cringe if you can't explain this massive logical discrepancy, along with the visual discrepancies.

Just invent a theory with no real support from the manga, say it's definitely true, and bury your head in the sand to all other evidence to the contrary.
Where do you see kaido being surprised luffy is using arc Coc at?
 
#84
It's gonna be wild :

Kaido didn't egive a definitive answer about zoro having CoC. For now we say Zoro is a conqueror but all Kaido did was wonder "can you use CoC too?" /"do you also have CoC"
With Zoro himself not being sure about it at all. He denies it completely

This is similar to when:
  • Kaido wonders "why does his blade have Oden's presence."
At this point Kaido didn't make sure/confirm yet that Enma belonged to Oden.
  • Then a chapter later, we get him confirming "ah i see. .It's his (Oden's)sword "

Same thing when he wondered about Retainers using ryuo.. then we get confirmations from Retainers and kaido himself that they can indeed use Ryuo as Oden.

I think Kaido mistook Zoro's ashura as imbued CoC attack.
Because after Zoro's answer...he says something else about Worstgen not even about Zoro that he truly has CoC or can use AdCoC.
People claiming Ashura is adCoC when Oda only shows someone using adCoC when their blades/attacks have haki leakage and thick sparks when they attacks

Look at Luffy's case:

  • When kaido asked "ah you can also use CoC..just like Kidd" before he says that, we saw Luffy using CoC unconsciously!
  • When he uses adCoC, we clearly see the difference in visuals with sparks and haki leakage from his arms
  • When he unlocked CoC pre ts, was using it subconsciously, we saw burst! We clearly saw visuals/panels of him using CoC!


As for me...im open to say Zoro has CoC
But the fact is that, Oda didn't do these things for Zoro!
Nothing this chapter proves 100% Zoro has CoC! And He surely has no adCoC!

He compared Retainers using ryuo to Oden's ...we firstly see them using ryuo before Kaido comments!
Compared Luffy's CoC to Kidd ... we firstly saw Luffy using CoC before Kaido comments!
When Luffy says Kaido uses AdCoC, we see kaido used it and uses it ..same with Luffy. Things are clear not ambiguous!

People can hate or bash me but if you look at the manga...Whenever someone awakens/uses any haki or advanced haki, we clearly see the visuals! We see them using it...it isn't ambiguous!

We don't just hear "oh can you use X haki?" With no visuals , no proof except just a question.
We clearly see them using CoC with confirmations and proofs on panels!


But when Kaido feels Oden's presence in Enma and confirms it. We also see visuals that enma have weird aura around it


You and other fanboys :

There's no Oden's haki/presnce in the balde

Kaido mistook Zoro's haki for Oden's! A blade can't store a presence or haki


Funnily :
when Kaido just wonders if Zoro has CoC without Oda showing visuals of zoro using CoC and no confirmations from Zoro and Kaiod
Fanboys : Zoro is confirmed to have CoC coz Kaido wondered...felt it might be CoC
So it is CoC and Ashura was imbued with CoC thuse Zoro has AdCoC too.
LOL you can't deny Oden's presence/haki being in enma which had visuals and confirmations from Kaido then accept Zoro having adCoC or using CoC without any visuals and confirmations based on a mere question from Kaido

Oda also never said you need CoCc to scar/hurt kaido! You need ryuo to hurt Kaido if you lack internal attacks or hax or enough power.
Retainers issue was AP not CoC or haki.
Kaido never said " you couldn't reopen it cause your haki sucks or you lack CoC"

This arc:

Kaido has always wondered --> confirmed ---> made comparisons
Whenever something seems odd. Whenever he felt haki or was hurt (Enma, CoA or CoC or adCoC)

Right now...Oda stopped kaido at wondering points

So far in this arc :
  • Brook wondered if Zoro used CoC ---> zoro denies
  • Kaido wonders if Zoro used CoC/has CoC --> Zoro denies

In both cases :
  • we don't see visuals of CoC emitting from Zoro before or when he attacked/talks!
  • we see Brook mistook The earthquake came from Zoro screaming madly!
  • Which might mean Kaido also mistook Zoro's intiimidating spirit being CoC!
Does Zoro have CoC? *Yeah maybe*
Does he have adCoC? No

Visuals or confirmations on Panels are always proof of someone using haki especially for the first time if it is a strawhat! Which Zoro doesn't have yet!

In Oden and Kidd cases, Oda made direct comparisons statement from Kaido and Ashura about Luffy using CoC just like them.

Be patient, Oda will make it clear with visuals if Zoro truly has CoC.
He will draw the CoC sparks or burst around Zoro when he attacks/glares , make clear comments frm other characters even if Zoro isn't aware...we would see CoC usage clearly.
If side characters (like kata, fuji, coby) can be shown with visual when using CoO or CoC then surely Zoro would also get them for CoC if he has it.
Oda also won't have Zoro's CoC /new skill moment be lackluster...not have visuals.

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This is very reasonable theory theres high chance that this could be true.
By high chance, you mean 0 chance right.
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The problem is Zoro doesn’t even think he has CoC. He has still refused that yet he’s able to activate his Asura whenever he wants
Luffy didn't know he had it either.
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I mean it's possible Kaido mistook Ashura for CoC. But for now we gotta find out more. I'm pretty sure we're getting an Zoro/Ashura flashback soon.
Kaido never said anything about Ashura until it hit him.
 

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#86
It's gonna be wild :

Kaido didn't egive a definitive answer about zoro having CoC. For now we say Zoro is a conqueror but all Kaido did was wonder "can you use CoC too?" /"do you also have CoC"
With Zoro himself not being sure about it at all. He denies it completely

This is similar to when:
  • Kaido wonders "why does his blade have Oden's presence."
At this point Kaido didn't make sure/confirm yet that Enma belonged to Oden.
  • Then a chapter later, we get him confirming "ah i see. .It's his (Oden's)sword "

Same thing when he wondered about Retainers using ryuo.. then we get confirmations from Retainers and kaido himself that they can indeed use Ryuo as Oden.

I think Kaido mistook Zoro's ashura as imbued CoC attack.
Because after Zoro's answer...he says something else about Worstgen not even about Zoro that he truly has CoC or can use AdCoC.
People claiming Ashura is adCoC when Oda only shows someone using adCoC when their blades/attacks have haki leakage and thick sparks when they attacks

Look at Luffy's case:

  • When kaido asked "ah you can also use CoC..just like Kidd" before he says that, we saw Luffy using CoC unconsciously!
  • When he uses adCoC, we clearly see the difference in visuals with sparks and haki leakage from his arms
  • When he unlocked CoC pre ts, was using it subconsciously, we saw burst! We clearly saw visuals/panels of him using CoC!


As for me...im open to say Zoro has CoC
But the fact is that, Oda didn't do these things for Zoro!
Nothing this chapter proves 100% Zoro has CoC! And He surely has no adCoC!

He compared Retainers using ryuo to Oden's ...we firstly see them using ryuo before Kaido comments!
Compared Luffy's CoC to Kidd ... we firstly saw Luffy using CoC before Kaido comments!
When Luffy says Kaido uses AdCoC, we see kaido used it and uses it ..same with Luffy. Things are clear not ambiguous!

People can hate or bash me but if you look at the manga...Whenever someone awakens/uses any haki or advanced haki, we clearly see the visuals! We see them using it...it isn't ambiguous!

We don't just hear "oh can you use X haki?" With no visuals , no proof except just a question.
We clearly see them using CoC with confirmations and proofs on panels!


But when Kaido feels Oden's presence in Enma and confirms it. We also see visuals that enma have weird aura around it


You and other fanboys :

There's no Oden's haki/presnce in the balde

Kaido mistook Zoro's haki for Oden's! A blade can't store a presence or haki


Funnily :
when Kaido just wonders if Zoro has CoC without Oda showing visuals of zoro using CoC and no confirmations from Zoro and Kaiod
Fanboys : Zoro is confirmed to have CoC coz Kaido wondered...felt it might be CoC
So it is CoC and Ashura was imbued with CoC thuse Zoro has AdCoC too.
LOL you can't deny Oden's presence/haki being in enma which had visuals and confirmations from Kaido then accept Zoro having adCoC or using CoC without any visuals and confirmations based on a mere question from Kaido

Oda also never said you need CoCc to scar/hurt kaido! You need ryuo to hurt Kaido if you lack internal attacks or hax or enough power.
Retainers issue was AP not CoC or haki.
Kaido never said " you couldn't reopen it cause your haki sucks or you lack CoC"

This arc:

Kaido has always wondered --> confirmed ---> made comparisons
Whenever something seems odd. Whenever he felt haki or was hurt (Enma, CoA or CoC or adCoC)

Right now...Oda stopped kaido at wondering points

So far in this arc :
  • Brook wondered if Zoro used CoC ---> zoro denies
  • Kaido wonders if Zoro used CoC/has CoC --> Zoro denies

In both cases :
  • we don't see visuals of CoC emitting from Zoro before or when he attacked/talks!
  • we see Brook mistook The earthquake came from Zoro screaming madly!
  • Which might mean Kaido also mistook Zoro's intiimidating spirit being CoC!
Does Zoro have CoC? *Yeah maybe*
Does he have adCoC? No

Visuals or confirmations on Panels are always proof of someone using haki especially for the first time if it is a strawhat! Which Zoro doesn't have yet!

In Oden and Kidd cases, Oda made direct comparisons statement from Kaido and Ashura about Luffy using CoC just like them.

Be patient, Oda will make it clear with visuals if Zoro truly has CoC.
He will draw the CoC sparks or burst around Zoro when he attacks/glares , make clear comments frm other characters even if Zoro isn't aware...we would see CoC usage clearly.
If side characters (like kata, fuji, coby) can be shown with visual when using CoO or CoC then surely Zoro would also get them for CoC if he has it.
Oda also won't have Zoro's CoC /new skill moment be lackluster...not have visuals.

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The last straw - maybe Zoro didnt use CoC.
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#89
I guess we don't know if Kid has CoC either since we can't take Kaido's word for it.
Kidd and Oden were not mentioned as a mere question... " does Kidd have CoC? " " does Oden have CoC?" From Kaido or Ashura.

The first time we hear about them having CoC is a direct clear statement after Luffy used CoC on panels
Kaido "...Just like that brat, Kid..."
Ashura " ...that brat is using Oden's skill"
Nothing here was left ambiguous!
Oda was making a comparison between Luffy's CoC to Oden/Kidd via Kaido and Ashura.

When it comes to Zoro
"Brat...do you have CoC?" Zoro denies
Nobody confirmed or compared his CoC to anyone.

When someone use CoC on panels, there is always visuals and usually comparisons.
So either you saying Oda is crazy or Oda knows why he left is ambiguous and both kaido and zoro weren't sure about Zoro using coc
That's why Kaido asked a Q and Zoro denied them Kaido went on talking about other things

It's stupid to compare Kidd and Oden being confirmed as CoC users with Zoro's ambiguous moment.
 
#90
Kidd and Oden were not mentioned as a mere question... " does Kidd have CoC? " " does Oden have CoC?" From Kaido or Ashura.

The first time we hear about them having CoC is a direct clear statement after Luffy used CoC on panels
Kaido "...Just like that brat, Kid..."
Ashura " ...that brat is using Oden's skill"
Nothing here was left ambiguous!
Oda was making a comparison between Luffy's CoC to Oden/Kidd via Kaido and Ashura.

When it comes to Zoro
"Brat...do you have CoC?" Zoro denies
Nobody confirmed or compared his CoC to anyone.

When someone use CoC on panels, there is always visuals and usually comparisons.
So either you saying Oda is crazy or Oda knows why he left is ambiguous and both kaido and zoro weren't sure about Zoro using coc
That's why Kaido asked a Q and Zoro denied them Kaido went on talking about other things

It's stupid to compare Kidd and Oden being confirmed as CoC users with Zoro's ambiguous moment.
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#91
Kidd and Oden were not mentioned as a mere question... " does Kidd have CoC? " " does Oden have CoC?" From Kaido or Ashura.

The first time we hear about them having CoC is a direct clear statement after Luffy used CoC on panels
Kaido "...Just like that brat, Kid..."
Ashura " ...that brat is using Oden's skill"
Nothing here was left ambiguous!
Oda was making a comparison between Luffy's CoC to Oden/Kidd via Kaido and Ashura.

When it comes to Zoro
"Brat...do you have CoC?" Zoro denies
Nobody confirmed or compared his CoC to anyone.

When someone use CoC on panels, there is always visuals and usually comparisons.
So either you saying Oda is crazy or Oda knows why he left is ambiguous and both kaido and zoro weren't sure about Zoro using coc
That's why Kaido asked a Q and Zoro denied them Kaido went on talking about other things

It's stupid to compare Kidd and Oden being confirmed as CoC users with Zoro's ambiguous moment.
You continue to be a dumbass ! Bravo
 
#93
Kidd and Oden were not mentioned as a mere question... " does Kidd have CoC? " " does Oden have CoC?" From Kaido or Ashura.

The first time we hear about them having CoC is a direct clear statement after Luffy used CoC on panels
Kaido "...Just like that brat, Kid..."
Ashura " ...that brat is using Oden's skill"
Nothing here was left ambiguous!
Oda was making a comparison between Luffy's CoC to Oden/Kidd via Kaido and Ashura.

When it comes to Zoro
"Brat...do you have CoC?" Zoro denies
Nobody confirmed or compared his CoC to anyone.

When someone use CoC on panels, there is always visuals and usually comparisons.
So either you saying Oda is crazy or Oda knows why he left is ambiguous and both kaido and zoro weren't sure about Zoro using coc
That's why Kaido asked a Q and Zoro denied them Kaido went on talking about other things

It's stupid to compare Kidd and Oden being confirmed as CoC users with Zoro's ambiguous moment.
Kaido response to Luffy's CoC is almost identical to Zoro's.

Here's Luffy's CoC.

"You too?"


Zoro's CoC.

"Don't tell me you can use CoC too?!!

It just shows Kaido was surprised they have it.

It's like if you are your friends house and you notice they bought one of the new game systems. You say, "you bought that?!" You are looking at it and box it came in. You see it's real. You are just surprised they have it because it is hard acquire one right now.
 
#94
Even though its not advanced CoC, Zoro displayed base CoC though, Kaidou recognize it. Its the start of Zoro having CoC, just like Luffy start having CoC in Impel down. It's just that Zoro bloomed his CoC while attacking with Asura.
 

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#95
Kidd and Oden were not mentioned as a mere question... " does Kidd have CoC? " " does Oden have CoC?" From Kaido or Ashura.

The first time we hear about them having CoC is a direct clear statement after Luffy used CoC on panels
Kaido "...Just like that brat, Kid..."
Ashura " ...that brat is using Oden's skill"
Nothing here was left ambiguous!
Oda was making a comparison between Luffy's CoC to Oden/Kidd via Kaido and Ashura.

When it comes to Zoro
"Brat...do you have CoC?" Zoro denies
Nobody confirmed or compared his CoC to anyone.

When someone use CoC on panels, there is always visuals and usually comparisons.
So either you saying Oda is crazy or Oda knows why he left is ambiguous and both kaido and zoro weren't sure about Zoro using coc
That's why Kaido asked a Q and Zoro denied them Kaido went on talking about other things

It's stupid to compare Kidd and Oden being confirmed as CoC users with Zoro's ambiguous moment.
Do you realize Kaido managed to recognize Luffy's CoC and is also a CoC user by himself?

Do you think he would be foolish to claim Zoro has CoC out of the blue? Just how abysmal are the chances? Put in that Oda doing something like that would constitute bad writing. Just you wait if you are legitimately skeptical.
 
#98
He already is meant to be yeah, but so far it is seemingly associated with his Asura mode, it would be crazy cool if that worked differently too.
Yes. I agree that asura Zoro use to make a permanent scar on kaido body have advance COC infused with it. But I want to see Zoro infuse lightening haki on his swords like Luffy or Kaido did too. If Zoro can make a Sash with Advance COC lightening haki infused with it , I think it is very cool.
 
#99
It's gonna be wild :

Kaido didn't egive a definitive answer about zoro having CoC. For now we say Zoro is a conqueror but all Kaido did was wonder "can you use CoC too?" /"do you also have CoC"
With Zoro himself not being sure about it at all. He denies it completely

This is similar to when:
  • Kaido wonders "why does his blade have Oden's presence."
At this point Kaido didn't make sure/confirm yet that Enma belonged to Oden.
  • Then a chapter later, we get him confirming "ah i see. .It's his (Oden's)sword "

Same thing when he wondered about Retainers using ryuo.. then we get confirmations from Retainers and kaido himself that they can indeed use Ryuo as Oden.

I think Kaido mistook Zoro's ashura as imbued CoC attack.
Because after Zoro's answer...he says something else about Worstgen not even about Zoro that he truly has CoC or can use AdCoC.
People claiming Ashura is adCoC when Oda only shows someone using adCoC when their blades/attacks have haki leakage and thick sparks when they attacks

Look at Luffy's case:

  • When kaido asked "ah you can also use CoC..just like Kidd" before he says that, we saw Luffy using CoC unconsciously!
  • When he uses adCoC, we clearly see the difference in visuals with sparks and haki leakage from his arms
  • When he unlocked CoC pre ts, was using it subconsciously, we saw burst! We clearly saw visuals/panels of him using CoC!


As for me...im open to say Zoro has CoC
But the fact is that, Oda didn't do these things for Zoro!
Nothing this chapter proves 100% Zoro has CoC! And He surely has no adCoC!

He compared Retainers using ryuo to Oden's ...we firstly see them using ryuo before Kaido comments!
Compared Luffy's CoC to Kidd ... we firstly saw Luffy using CoC before Kaido comments!
When Luffy says Kaido uses AdCoC, we see kaido used it and uses it ..same with Luffy. Things are clear not ambiguous!

People can hate or bash me but if you look at the manga...Whenever someone awakens/uses any haki or advanced haki, we clearly see the visuals! We see them using it...it isn't ambiguous!

We don't just hear "oh can you use X haki?" With no visuals , no proof except just a question.
We clearly see them using CoC with confirmations and proofs on panels!


But when Kaido feels Oden's presence in Enma and confirms it. We also see visuals that enma have weird aura around it


You and other fanboys :

There's no Oden's haki/presnce in the balde

Kaido mistook Zoro's haki for Oden's! A blade can't store a presence or haki


Funnily :
when Kaido just wonders if Zoro has CoC without Oda showing visuals of zoro using CoC and no confirmations from Zoro and Kaiod
Fanboys : Zoro is confirmed to have CoC coz Kaido wondered...felt it might be CoC
So it is CoC and Ashura was imbued with CoC thuse Zoro has AdCoC too.
LOL you can't deny Oden's presence/haki being in enma which had visuals and confirmations from Kaido then accept Zoro having adCoC or using CoC without any visuals and confirmations based on a mere question from Kaido

Oda also never said you need CoCc to scar/hurt kaido! You need ryuo to hurt Kaido if you lack internal attacks or hax or enough power.
Retainers issue was AP not CoC or haki.
Kaido never said " you couldn't reopen it cause your haki sucks or you lack CoC"

This arc:

Kaido has always wondered --> confirmed ---> made comparisons
Whenever something seems odd. Whenever he felt haki or was hurt (Enma, CoA or CoC or adCoC)

Right now...Oda stopped kaido at wondering points

So far in this arc :
  • Brook wondered if Zoro used CoC ---> zoro denies
  • Kaido wonders if Zoro used CoC/has CoC --> Zoro denies

In both cases :
  • we don't see visuals of CoC emitting from Zoro before or when he attacked/talks!
  • we see Brook mistook The earthquake came from Zoro screaming madly!
  • Which might mean Kaido also mistook Zoro's intiimidating spirit being CoC!
Does Zoro have CoC? *Yeah maybe*
Does he have adCoC? No

Visuals or confirmations on Panels are always proof of someone using haki especially for the first time if it is a strawhat! Which Zoro doesn't have yet!

In Oden and Kidd cases, Oda made direct comparisons statement from Kaido and Ashura about Luffy using CoC just like them.

Be patient, Oda will make it clear with visuals if Zoro truly has CoC.
He will draw the CoC sparks or burst around Zoro when he attacks/glares , make clear comments frm other characters even if Zoro isn't aware...we would see CoC usage clearly.
If side characters (like kata, fuji, coby) can be shown with visual when using CoO or CoC then surely Zoro would also get them for CoC if he has it.
Oda also won't have Zoro's CoC /new skill moment be lackluster...not have visuals.

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In my opinion Ashura is indeed advanced CoC but first let us explain what advanced Haki is in the first place cause people seem to be confused. Being particularly proficient in a type of haki is one thing, having the advanced version of that haki is another(take Luffy for example who has advanced CoO but still has a lot to learn about CoO) and being able to use that type of haki to it's utmost efficiency via "flow"(ryou) is a completely different thing. "Ryou" isn't advCoA it's just an advanced usage of haki which revolves around flow and control of haki(similar to chakra control in Naruto) and after mastering the "flow of haki" you can apply any type of haki into it and ppl assumed this is advancedCoA because most characters use it with CoA but in fact you can use Ryou with any type of haki.



Now going back to Zoro, it seems that Zoro while being very proficient and possessing a very powerful armament haki neither has the advanced version of it nor does he knows Ryou, but after training and obtaining Enma he's able to kinda use it via the swrod(which explains why having Enma seemed like a powerup while it is not) but he probably isn't using Ryou in his other swords which is why he's still not as good as Oden. I believe that just having CoC or even advanced CoC can't damage Kaido unless you utilize Ryou with it then wtf did Zoro do with Ashura in order to scar Kaido? Well as we already established before, Ashura is indeed an advanced version of CoC but it doesn't "flow", so when Zoro used Ashura with Enma, Enma made Zoro's CoC "flow" out of his body and therefore damaged Kaido.


In conclusion of the above in order for Zoro to damage Kaido he needs to use Ashura + Enma together, unless Zoro reaches full control of Enma and therefore is able to use Ryou freely now after his body understood the concept of it and also realise that he has CoC and use it with Ryou. THEN Zoro will be able to replicate what he did to Kaido in 1010 without having to resort to Ashura or unleashing Enma's full power(that would be reserved for a finishing move)
 
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