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HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Well, that's true as well. After all, there are levels of swords as well.
Btw, did Oden not cut Kaido with two swords? It wasn't only Enma, was it?



Haki is clearly the more haxxed part; the stronger your swords are, the better is your Haki against an opponent since stronger swords clearly increases your AP even further.
Oden used both swords. Oda straight up lied on that.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
Because you're only granting this feat due to Oden's sword when there are several factors being responsible for this scar.
I am just repeating what the manga said and you are disagreeing while saying that you agree, lol.
I honestly have no idea why you came up with an answer like that when I only said: "I dunno but it is a fact that Luffy will take a part by defeating Kaido.
He has at least a way to injure Kaido due to his penetration haki."
Like, are you confused for real or was I phrasing my statement not that accurate?
Ryuo is an important tool to injure Kaido, that's a fact which Kinemon and Co proved despite having shitty AP and swords.
Stay focused, dont start dodging now, it's too late. Will Luffy's Haki leave a scar on Kaido or not?
And that's apparently Hakiman approach? You do realise that Haki is an important tool for swordsmen? In fact, I was even making a compliment for swordsmen since their Haki is advanced enough to injure the most durable character in OP, lmao.
I think you are confused for real.
Yes, you said what happened to Kaido happened against Haki, not against swords.
We are about to see what happens to Kaido against Luffy's haki. Make an educated guess. :catsure:
 
Whether Zoro and Sanji haters hate it or not, they're both getting the top two Disasters.
Let Sanji have King, Zoro has bigger dragons to fry.
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Which other weapons have as much focus as swords do?
Which other weapons became black blades?
Which other weapon has an arc full of its users?

>Swords dont have a special pedestal.
Sure they dont. :myman:
There was a supreme grade spear.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Thanks.
@nik87 So Oden did not only use Enma to cut Kaido, he used another sword to achieve the same feat which makes the entire "Enma cut Kaido" narrative quite suspicious if you ask me.
Enma is not magic.
Once tamed its a normal sword.
Let Sanji have King, Zoro has bigger dragons to fry.
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There was a supreme grade spear.
Id love see a saijo spear user
 
I could see this fight happening to be honest, he is confident that he could kill one of the All stars we don't really know how defeated him and made him swear allegiance to kaido.
Now is the man as strong as he profess he is we don't know, but I'm intrigued and I would like to see him in action.
 
I am just repeating what the manga said and you are disagreeing while saying that you agree, lol.
The manga also said that it was Oden's haki granting the Scabbards the ability to cut Kaido - something which you are ignoring for unknown reasons.

Stay focused, dont start dodging now, it's too late.
I don't know anymore wtf you are on about, like seriously: What was your point?

Will Luffy's Haki leave a scar on Kaido or not?
You are asking questions which I obviously cannot answer, are you serious?
I don't know whether Luffy scarres him or not but I can tell you at least that Luffy is going to injure Kaido very hard, it's the inevitable.

Yes, you said what happened to Kaido happened against Haki, not against swords.
Yes.

Once again: So did Kinemon magically had Enma to cut Kaido or is his sword something impressive as well?
Or we, which is usually common sense, are going with Kaido's words in which they were only able to injure Kaido due to their haki.

Do they have Enma or why were they able to injure Kaido?
And if Enma was that necessary to cut Kaido, why was also another sword able to scar Kaido? Don't you think it's the wielder and his Haki who makes his sword powerful?

As I said, going against Kaido's words -> going against Oda's.

We are about to see what happens to Kaido against Luffy's haki.
What should happen besides the inevitable that Luffy will injure Kaido on their next fight due to his Haki?
 
Enma is not magic.
Once tamed its a normal sword.
It's exactly as I said.
It was Oden's strength and Haki mastery in which he was able to cut Kaido. The Scabbards only managed to stab his skin since they do have Ryuo but not the exact same strength since Ryuo is still just an application just like hardening. And there are levels of hardening as well.

Oden's Haki >>> Scabbard's Haki -> but the Scabbards still injured Kaido.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
The manga also said that it was Oden's haki granting the Scabbards the ability to cut Kaido - something which you are ignoring for unknown reasons.
Scabbards having Oden's haki, now that is nonsense. They have their own Haki, not Oden's.
The thing you are ignoring is that a swordsman gutted Kaido like a pig because of the swords, not because of Haki.
I know you are slow but you will understand soon enough, the very moment Luffy attacks Kaido.
You are asking questions which I obviously cannot answer, are you serious?
I don't know whether Luffy scarres him or not but I can tell you at least that Luffy is going to injure Kaido very hard, it's the inevitable.
You dont have to be particularly bright to answer that question. We all know the answer to it, you included. Go on, give it a try. :catsure:

Yes.
Once again: So did Kinemon magically had Enma to cut Kaido or is his sword something impressive as well?
Or we, which is usually common sense, are going with Kaido's words in which they were only able to injure Kaido due to their haki.

Do they have Enma or why were they able to injure Kaido?
And if Enma was that necessary to cut Kaido, why was also another sword able to scar Kaido? Don't you think it's the wielder and his Haki who makes his sword powerful?
As I said, going against Kaido's words -> going against Oda's.
Lmao, never change Sentinel-kun.
Neither is Enma impressive nor is Kinemon's sword impressive, they are swords, just swords.
They cut Kaido, the most durable being and you say that Sanji(and Luffy) are fine against blades while Kaido isnt, lol.
Luffy has superior Haki to Scabbards, is he gonna cut Kaido's scales too? :catsure:
Kaido being gutted happened against swords, not against Haki. Soon you will realize that sword cut shit up, not haki.
What should happen besides the inevitable that Luffy will injure Kaido on their next fight due to his Haki?
Will he put a scratch on his scales or will he avoid them because he cant do shit to them? It's not that hard, I promise.:catsure:
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
It's exactly as I said.
It was Oden's strength and Haki mastery in which he was able to cut Kaido. The Scabbards only managed to stab his skin since they do have Ryuo but not the exact same strength since Ryuo is still just an application just like hardening. And there are levels of hardening as well.

Oden's Haki >>> Scabbard's Haki -> but the Scabbards still injured Kaido.
Niks point is if oden punched kaido with that ryou the damage would be far less. Which is a fair point.
Like i said this is a pointless exercise. You both have a point.
 
Scabbards having Oden's haki, now that is nonsense.
Lul, then how did they cut Kaido? With their weak swords and weak AP?
Spoiler alert: They used their flowing haki to channel through their swords to cut Kaido. The swords are just a tool to unleash their Haki effectively as a cut.

They have their own Haki, not Oden's.
Already addressed above.

Once again:
It's exactly as I said.
It was Oden's strength and Haki mastery in which he was able to cut Kaido. The Scabbards only managed to stab his skin since they do have Ryuo but not the exact same strength since Ryuo is still just an application just like hardening. And there are levels of hardening as well.

Oden's Haki >>> Scabbard's Haki -> but the Scabbards still injured Kaido.

Tl;dr: They used the same application but since their Haki level was still below Oden's, they just dealt superficial damage.

The thing you are ignoring is that a swordsman gutted Kaido like a pig because of the swords, not because of Haki.
No, the thing you are ignoring is that a swordsman cut Kaido by channeling his Haki through his cutting skills.

Zoro used 1080 PC to cut Pica's golem as half but nameless slashes with Ryuo dealt effectively more damage on the golem than one of Zoro's more powerful named attacks.

I know you are slow but you will understand soon enough, the very moment Luffy attacks Kaido.
Luffy won't cut nor scar Kaido, he's using brute force, BUT he'll manage to injure Kaido with penetration Haki.

And yes, Luffy has huge brute force with G4th but since it was utterly useless against Kaido, it's all about Haki again which will make it possible for Luffy to injure Kaido.

You dont have to be particularly bright to answer that question.
Well, scarring Kaido is out of question, Luffy's not cutting opponents but as I said, injuring Kaido is inevitable.

Neither is Enma impressive nor is Kinemon's sword impressive, they are swords, just swords.
Then it's just as I said. That's why it's their Haki which made it possible for them to injure Kaido by channeling their Haki through their swords.
You're literally arguing about nothing lol.

They cut Kaido, the most durable being and you say that Sanji(and Luffy) are fine against blades while Kaido isnt, lol.
Now you are going to square one once again.

No, it's not that simple. Blades itself do not automatically grant someone the ability to cut Kaido. Their Haki are mainly responsible for this feat - something which I said several times before.

At this point, even the less brightest person would understand that Sanji can easily deal with blades - as proven at the previous page - but not exactly with superior Haki. And even then, it is a question whether a superior Haki is enough to decide if someone is automatically more powerful than the other one.
The own strength, sword skills AND Haki are important; if just Kinemon decides to cut Sanji with his Haki but Sanji can block it with his leg, it's clear that his own skills are still not enough to cut Sanji like a fodder. Katakuri's armament Haki vs Bound Man is a prime example.

I know you wank swords into oblivion but you cannot deny that Sanji managed to do this against the apparent invincible blades:



Why couldn't Daifuku simply cut Sanji like a fodder despite full momentum aiming with the sharp-edge against Sanji?

Start reading Bleach or Kenshin instead of One Piece if you want to praise swordsmen that much, lol. I mean, I kinda understand that swordsmen are quite op in One Piece but saying just their swords decimate every brawler is just pure bullshit.

Luffy has superior Haki to Scabbards, is he gonna cut Kaido's scales too?
Why should he cut Kaido's scales if he can beat him into a bloody pulp? :choppawhat:

Will he put a scratch on his scales or will he avoid them because he cant do shit to them?
Huh, what exactly do you mean by "avoiding his dragon scales"? Then how's he gonna deal damage on Kaido? Spoiler alert: By "destroying" Kaido's inner body.
Yes, Luffy will put scratches on Kaido. Mastering Ryuo and Penetration Haki is just for the sole reason to beat up Kaido.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
Lul, then how did they cut Kaido? With their weak swords and weak AP?
Spoiler alert: They used their flowing haki to channel through their swords to cut Kaido. The swords are just a tool to unleash their Haki effectively as a cut.
With their swords, yes. Haki by itself doesnt cut, it doesnt take a genius to figure it out.
Sword is the basis of a cut. Show me their flowing haki being channeled.
Already addressed above.
Once again:
It's exactly as I said.
It was Oden's strength and Haki mastery in which he was able to cut Kaido. The Scabbards only managed to stab his skin since they do have Ryuo but not the exact same strength since Ryuo is still just an application just like hardening. And there are levels of hardening as well.
Oden's Haki >>> Scabbard's Haki -> but the Scabbards still injured Kaido.
Tl;dr: They used the same application but since their Haki level was still below Oden's, they just dealt superficial damage.
Dont backtrack now, you said that they had Oden's haki and it's nonsense. Nobody aside from Oden can have Oden's haki.
No, it wasnt Oden's strength and haki mastery as reason he cut Kaido, it was thanks to his swords.
Luffy's punching power and haki mastery are greater than Oden's and he still wont cut Kaido because he doesnt have a sword.
Show me their Ryo being used when they stab Kaido? Sounds like a bunch of nonsense or can you back it up?
No, the thing you are ignoring is that a swordsman cut Kaido by channeling his Haki through his cutting skills.
Zoro used 1080 PC to cut Pica's golem as half but nameless slashes with Ryuo dealt effectively more damage on the golem than one of Zoro's more powerful named attacks.
So, if Zoro performs Tatsumaki without swords, which is his cutting skill, he will cut Kaido because he used haki?
Your grave looks good, keep digging. :catsure:
Luffy won't cut nor scar Kaido, he's using brute force, BUT he'll manage to injure Kaido with penetration Haki.
And yes, Luffy has huge brute force with G4th but since it was utterly useless against Kaido, it's all about Haki again which will make it possible for Luffy to injure Kaido.
Ah, you finally realize that people wont be cut because of Haki? Good, good. I am not asking you whether he can injure Kaido.
Well, scarring Kaido is out of question, Luffy's not cutting opponents but as I said, injuring Kaido is inevitable.
Again, good, good. You could have admitted it right at start instead of leading a useless conversation.
Then it's just as I said. That's why it's their Haki which made it possible for them to injure Kaido by channeling their Haki through their swords.
You're literally arguing about nothing lol.
Ok, show me their haki being channeled. Can you?

Why should he cut Kaido's scales if he can beat him into a bloody pulp? :choppawhat:
It's a nice way of saying that he wont cut his scales, I'll accept that answer since it's the one I was going for. :catsure:

Huh, what exactly do you mean by "avoiding his dragon scales"? Then how's he gonna deal damage on Kaido? Spoiler alert: By "destroying" Kaido's inner body.
Yes, Luffy will put scratches on Kaido. Mastering Ryuo and Penetration Haki is just for the sole reason to beat up Kaido.
Lmao, what a mess you became... You cant even understand what's going on, you are asking the question and and giving an answer to it and still dont realize it... Read your own post, slowly, maybe you will understand.

Now you are going to square one once again.
No, it's not that simple. Blades itself do not automatically grant someone the ability to cut Kaido. Their Haki are mainly responsible for this feat - something which I said several times before.

At this point, even the less brightest person would understand that Sanji can easily deal with blades - as proven at the previous page - but not exactly with superior Haki. And even then, it is a question whether a superior Haki is enough to decide if someone is automatically more powerful than the other one.
The own strength, sword skills AND Haki are important; if just Kinemon decides to cut Sanji with his Haki but Sanji can block it with his leg, it's clear that his own skills are still not enough to cut Sanji like a fodder. Katakuri's armament Haki vs Bound Man is a prime example.

I know you wank swords into oblivion but you cannot deny that Sanji managed to do this against the apparent invincible blades:

Why couldn't Daifuku simply cut Sanji like a fodder despite full momentum aiming with the sharp-edge against Sanji?
Start reading Bleach or Kenshin instead of One Piece if you want to praise swordsmen that much, lol. I mean, I kinda understand that swordsmen are quite op in One Piece but saying just their swords decimate every brawler is just pure bullshit.
Do you hear yourself? Kinemon failing to cut Sanji while he is cutting Kaido? Man, what a circus...
Sanji did that, Luffy's flip-flops did this and yet, the most durable being(more durable than Sanji and flip-flops) is being cut by swordsmen. I'll let you figure it out, it is fun seeing your mental gymnastics.
LoL, Daifuku was never aiming at Sanji... Get your facts straight man, you are falling apart...
Their swords do decimate every brawler of comparable strength until Oda shows contrary, a full fight between brawler and swordsman.
 
With their swords, yes.
Which is not entirely true, even if you repeat that nonsense like a broken record.

Their haki was a huge factor in damaging Kaido, whether you like it or not.

Haki by itself doesnt cut
The prince in lacks of reading comprehension strikes again.

Once again, I said: They used their flowing haki to channel through their swords to cut Kaido. The swords are just a tool to unleash their Haki effectively as a cut.

It's literally at the same damn paragraph which you quoted at first and you disingenuously ignored this as well, lol.

Their swordsmanship is their fighting style - to cut/slice or stab their opponents - and their haki is the tool to make sword slashes more lethal and more effective.

Hell, the BoAT shit is literally all about Haki once again. I'm sure, if you used your brain for once, you'd immediately recognize your flawed logic but it seems, that wish is impossible to be granted. :kayneshrug:

it doesnt take a genius to figure it out.
Correction: Even a genius cannot figure your blabla out.

Show me their flowing haki being channeled.
Stop being a moron and think ahead for a second, it's really getting embarassing with your mental gymnastics.

Flowing haki is literally the application to channel their haki throughout their swords.
And once again, Kaido's words:


Kaido specifically pointed Oden's Ryuo out again.
It is not Enma, it is not his other sword - it was Oden's Ryuo, being unleashed through a sword, which cut Kaido.

Dont backtrack now
Where am I backtracking now? Too confused?

you said that they had Oden's haki and it's nonsense.
I said it and the manga panel above stated it as well, lol.

Furthermore, I said they have Oden's Haki, hence Ryuo to cut Kaido, but YET AGAIN, you fail to realise - whether it is pure incompetence or pure ignorance, I don't know - that they use the application/Ryuo but this doesn't automatically mean their Haki is on par with Oden's in terms of strength.

Luffy demonstrated the same penetration haki feat on Yamato to destroy her handcuffs just like Rayleigh - would you say that Luffy's Haki is as strong as Rayleigh or has Luffy just reached the level of Ryuo mastery, hence the application, of Rayleigh?

Your madness is really astonishing, lmao.

No, it wasnt Oden's strength and haki mastery as reason he cut Kaido, it was thanks to his swords.
Keep acting like a parrot, it still doesn't make your baseless assertion true.

Luffy's punching power and haki mastery are greater than Oden's and he still wont cut Kaido because he doesnt have a sword.
Already addressed above. NEXT!

Show me their Ryo being used when they stab Kaido?
Serious question, have you even read that chapter???...

Sounds like a bunch of nonsense or can you back it up?
... Obviously not.

So, if Zoro performs Tatsumaki without swords, which is his cutting skill, he will cut Kaido because he used haki?
Could he still perform his Santoryo style? Could Zoro still unleash the same amount of AP without swords?

Once again: Haki is clearly the more haxxed part; the stronger your swords are, the better is your Haki against an opponent since stronger swords clearly increases your AP even further.
=> My answer regarding HA001's post.

Graded swords are important but my initial point was that samurais - with far weaker swords than Enma/Shusui - managed to cut Kaido due to their Haki, which is quintessential a proof how effective Haki is for swordsmen.

Kaido did not point their swords out (when he asked why their swords were able to pierce him), he pointed their Ryuo out being the primary reason for that cut.

Your grave looks good, keep digging.
I keep digging, your grave obviously. :myman:

Ah, you finally realize that people wont be cut because of Haki?
"Finally"? Always!
Besides, if prince in lacks of reading comprehension knew how to read basic sentences, he'd know that I already explained him the tools of Ryuo regarding swords: They used their flowing haki to channel through their swords to cut Kaido. The swords are just a tool to unleash their Haki effectively as a cut.

Either way, if the Scabbards only had Bellamy's Haki, would they still cut Kaido? Could you answer this question?

Again, good, good.
Again, bad, bad.
You did not understand a single thing in our discussion.

Ok, show me their haki being channeled.
Already illustrated above.

It's a nice way of saying that he wont cut his scales, I'll accept that answer since it's the one I was going for.
Me: Sanji dealt with sharp-edged blades just fine without haki, however, blades with superior haki could still make a difference.
You: asddü+hsshfudoshguf
Me: Ugh, no? The Scabbards used Ryuo to cut Kaido, their swords weren't the sole reason for that cut.
You: asjfhdjf

Okay fam, lmaoooo.

Lmao, what a mess you became...
Hey, hey, hey! Stop starting being frustrated and forcing your pure frustration out of me.
It is not my problem if you absolutely sucks at debating. :myman:

You cant even understand what's going on, you are asking the question and and giving an answer to it and still dont realize it...
Lol, I'm the only who keep explaining you stuff from previous posts over and over again because you cannot comprehend the amount of information in your brain.

Kinemon failing to cut Sanji while he is cutting Kaido?
Kinemon cut Kaido, Oden cut Kaido - all of those feats were clean cuts on a defenseless and vulnerable body part.

Buuuut look at that, base Kaido and Oden clashing with each other with their weapons:


Base Kaido has inferior Haki, an inferior weapon and he still equally clashed against Oden.
Did you ever think about the possibility that Kinemon has to face an opposite force to cut his opponent? He easily cuts Sanji if he lands a clean hit but at first, he has to overcome Sanji's own attacks.

Unless, there is a ridiculously large difference in strength between two people, ie. Zoro vs FBH Pica, there is no reason to believe Kinemon easily cuts through 95% of characters with pure ease.

It is a circus indeed; you're not only able to not understand the most basic sentences, you even cannot imagine how Kinemon has to overcome the opposite force of the opponent's attack.

Sanji did that, Luffy's flip-flops did this and yet
Yes, because they attacked, Humpty Dumpty.

Luffy's fist also broke through Crocodile's sharp and lethal Desert Spade despite being at a disadvantage, although Crocodile's Desert Spade would cut him like a fucking potato. How are you gonna explain that?

LoL, Daifuku was never aiming at Sanji...
Sure, sure, Daifuku's blow automatically loses its effect despite full momentum because he wasn't aiming at Sanji.

Excuse me but are you really fine, dude?

Their swords do decimate every brawler of comparable strength until Oda shows contrary
Except Oda never went this narrative; hence your conjecture is for the dumpster.

We have Garp and Roger nearly killing each other several times despite Roger's sword and his AdCoA whilst Garp only has his own Haki and his fists. Does that ring a bell?
 
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