Powers & Abilities Zoro's Conqueror's Haki is Different

How do characters gain stronger or weaker CoC?

  • By becoming stronger in their chosen fighting style

    Votes: 19 26.8%
  • They can't. They're born with a certain, unchangeable innate capacity to learn CoC.

    Votes: 20 28.2%
  • They display dedication to their dream (e.g. Zoro)

    Votes: 42 59.2%
  • They actually achieve their dream (e.g. Ryuma, Mihawk)

    Votes: 12 16.9%
  • By becoming more charismatic

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 5 7.0%

  • Total voters
    71
#1
With the final confirmation of Zoro's Conqueror's Haki, it's time to look back over what we know about this ability and how our heroes have unlocked it in the past. Going back over Ace and Luffy's experiences with CoC, it becomes painfully obvious that Zoro, even as a novice CoC user, unlocked it at a much higher level than they did. I'd even go so far as to argue that Zoro's will to become a king has been portrayed as stronger than Luffy's, even given Luffy's 2 years of CoC experience and his continuous declarations about becoming Pirate King. Controversial? Not really, once you look at the evidence.

Just like Ace and Luffy, Zoro's first proper manifestation of CoC was in defence of someone else. Zoro launched his final attack on Kaido just as Kaido was about to finish off a downed Luffy, saying that Kaido should take his head instead:


Now Kaido is no stranger to other Conquerors. In fact, he doesn't really care if the Supernovas are Conquerors or not. As Chinjao said, it's not all that uncommon the deeper you go into the New World, and Kaido's reaction to Luffy's CoC is merely to shrug and go back to drinking himself into a stupor:

But as soon as Zoro displays CoC, Kaido is shocked. Why the sudden interest, Kaido? Could it be that this is his first time seeing advanced CoC physically manifested as an extra set of human limbs? We've only seen CoC in the form of generic black lightning, but Zoro's fighting spirit is clearly on a different, much more tangible level.

Let's also look at how beginners make use of CoC. Observe how Ace and Luffy needed to issue a command in order to impose their will over fodders:


Zoro, on the other hand, doesn't need to issue a command. He doesn't even register the fodder, lost in thought about Enma and facing away from them, towards King.
Zoro's CoC is so strong that he can simply passively KO fodder. This is different to even Shanks, who was actively using his CoC to display dominance in front of Whitebeard and his crew. Let's not also forget that Zoro is a newbie. He shouldn't have that level of control over CoC, when only a short while ago, he didn't even realise he had it. Luffy had the basic form of CoC since Amazon Lily, but wasn't able to use it on command until after the timeskip.

Then again, it shouldn't be surprising that Zoro's CoC is stronger. This man suffered a crippling injury at the very beginning of the story, but proceeded to take on a Logia, an elite martial artist and assassin, absorbed all of Luffy's pain and tore through an entire island of humandrills before Mihawk even started training him. Zoro's fighting spirit is the strongest in the series bar none.




If Haki = willpower, it's no wonder that Zoro's is above all others. None can compare to his determination, and if black blades are related to CoC, it's even more evident that Zoro's CoC (and by extension, Mihawk's as well) would be the strongest in-series.

What do you guys think? Will Zoro and Mihawk end up having the strongest CoC? I legitimately don't see any way for Luffy's willpower to overcome Zoro's at this point.

 

TheAncientCenturion

King the Blue Fire
#2
Asura = CoC is definitely surprising and will likely be explained in whatever arc Shank features in. As far as I'm concerned, it's an advanced application of CoC and i have no idea how Zoro could unconsciously manifest it or accidentally learn to use it on his own, all the way back around Ennis Lobby.

It definitely surpasses anything Luffy's shown so far. Which is probably why Oda dragged ass so long on having Zoro realize he has CoC and showing the readers it as well. Luffy had to catch up to a competitive level.

For the poll, I picked "being born with it" which seems to be the case according to Ace at Marineford and displaying dedication for their dreams. It should go hand in hand, you have this potential but you can't do anything with it if you don't have the drive.
 
#3
With the final confirmation of Zoro's Conqueror's Haki, it's time to look back over what we know about this ability and how our heroes have unlocked it in the past. Going back over Ace and Luffy's experiences with CoC, it becomes painfully obvious that Zoro, even as a novice CoC user, unlocked it at a much higher level than they did. I'd even go so far as to argue that Zoro's will to become a king has been portrayed as stronger than Luffy's, even given Luffy's 2 years of CoC experience and his continuous declarations about becoming Pirate King. Controversial? Not really, once you look at the evidence.

Just like Ace and Luffy, Zoro's first proper manifestation of CoC was in defence of someone else. Zoro launched his final attack on Kaido just as Kaido was about to finish off a downed Luffy, saying that Kaido should take his head instead:


Now Kaido is no stranger to other Conquerors. In fact, he doesn't really care if the Supernovas are Conquerors or not. As Chinjao said, it's not all that uncommon the deeper you go into the New World, and Kaido's reaction to Luffy's CoC is merely to shrug and go back to drinking himself into a stupor:

But as soon as Zoro displays CoC, Kaido is shocked. Why the sudden interest, Kaido? Could it be that this is his first time seeing advanced CoC physically manifested as an extra set of human limbs? We've only seen CoC in the form of generic black lightning, but Zoro's fighting spirit is clearly on a different, much more tangible level.

Let's also look at how beginners make use of CoC. Observe how Ace and Luffy needed to issue a command in order to impose their will over fodders:


Zoro, on the other hand, doesn't need to issue a command. He doesn't even register the fodder, lost in thought about Enma and facing away from them, towards King.
Zoro's CoC is so strong that he can simply passively KO fodder. This is different to even Shanks, who was actively using his CoC to display dominance in front of Whitebeard and his crew. Let's not also forget that Zoro is a newbie. He shouldn't have that level of control over CoC, when only a short while ago, he didn't even realise he had it. Luffy had the basic form of CoC since Amazon Lily, but wasn't able to use it on command until after the timeskip.

Then again, it shouldn't be surprising that Zoro's CoC is stronger. This man suffered a crippling injury at the very beginning of the story, but proceeded to take on a Logia, an elite martial artist and assassin, absorbed all of Luffy's pain and tore through an entire island of humandrills before Mihawk even started training him. Zoro's fighting spirit is the strongest in the series bar none.




If Haki = willpower, it's no wonder that Zoro's is above all others. None can compare to his determination, and if black blades are related to CoC, it's even more evident that Zoro's CoC (and by extension, Mihawk's as well) would be the strongest in-series.

What do you guys think? Will Zoro and Mihawk end up having the strongest CoC? I legitimately don't see any way for Luffy's willpower to overcome Zoro's at this point.

splendid argumentation Zoro is the hackygod :steef:. I want to add that Zoro backlighting are above this folder, the radius of that lighting are insane compare to what we saw in previous user (the folder are at less 50meters away)

To me this indicate that Zoro will is enormous, become the world strongest swordsman require an insane ambition.
 
#5
I said it once & i will say it again

Zoro is Reverse Blackbeard
Luffy is Reverse Im-Sama

Blackbeard have a Body that can Carry Three DFs, He is a Trion DF User
Zoro have a Body that have Three Times Normal Willpower, He is a Trion CoC User

Zoro's CoC is Most Powerful ever, Luffy will have a different Power that makes him stand out from CoC Users
Mihawk didn't show much interest in Vista even though his Swordsmanship was Amazing, why? Because he lacked CoC

Mihawk only wanted to Fight Prime Luffy, Prime Zoro, Prime Shanks & Prime WB out of those he met
Cuz he only looks for Most Powerful CoC Users, this is why Mihawk told Zoro "Find your Will & know Yourself"

Mihawk have Double-Layered Hawk Eyes, he was gonna be called Clairvoyant & Databook said that he is best at knowing someone Power Level & Potential, it's part of his Character as someone who is looking for Best Fight. So this guy chose Zoro as his Champion, it's because Zoro possess Greatest CoC

This is also why Zoro is related to Cross References (Introduced in a Cross, Bandaged as a Cross, defeated by Two Shichibukai who have Christianity Signs, sent near a Giant Cross by Kuma on Mihawk's Island, took Luffy's Damage ... etc)
It's because he represents a Trion Spirited Individual, which is similar to Concept of Christianity & what the Cross in it represents

Not to mention that He is Santoryu User & have Asura (Which is Trion Demon)
Zoro's Willpower is Most Overwhelming

I think you now know why his OST is called Very Very Very Strongest (Three times the Word Very was used)
 
#6
With the final confirmation of Zoro's Conqueror's Haki, it's time to look back over what we know about this ability and how our heroes have unlocked it in the past. Going back over Ace and Luffy's experiences with CoC, it becomes painfully obvious that Zoro, even as a novice CoC user, unlocked it at a much higher level than they did. I'd even go so far as to argue that Zoro's will to become a king has been portrayed as stronger than Luffy's, even given Luffy's 2 years of CoC experience and his continuous declarations about becoming Pirate King. Controversial? Not really, once you look at the evidence.

Just like Ace and Luffy, Zoro's first proper manifestation of CoC was in defence of someone else. Zoro launched his final attack on Kaido just as Kaido was about to finish off a downed Luffy, saying that Kaido should take his head instead:


Now Kaido is no stranger to other Conquerors. In fact, he doesn't really care if the Supernovas are Conquerors or not. As Chinjao said, it's not all that uncommon the deeper you go into the New World, and Kaido's reaction to Luffy's CoC is merely to shrug and go back to drinking himself into a stupor:

But as soon as Zoro displays CoC, Kaido is shocked. Why the sudden interest, Kaido? Could it be that this is his first time seeing advanced CoC physically manifested as an extra set of human limbs? We've only seen CoC in the form of generic black lightning, but Zoro's fighting spirit is clearly on a different, much more tangible level.

Let's also look at how beginners make use of CoC. Observe how Ace and Luffy needed to issue a command in order to impose their will over fodders:


Zoro, on the other hand, doesn't need to issue a command. He doesn't even register the fodder, lost in thought about Enma and facing away from them, towards King.
Zoro's CoC is so strong that he can simply passively KO fodder. This is different to even Shanks, who was actively using his CoC to display dominance in front of Whitebeard and his crew. Let's not also forget that Zoro is a newbie. He shouldn't have that level of control over CoC, when only a short while ago, he didn't even realise he had it. Luffy had the basic form of CoC since Amazon Lily, but wasn't able to use it on command until after the timeskip.

Then again, it shouldn't be surprising that Zoro's CoC is stronger. This man suffered a crippling injury at the very beginning of the story, but proceeded to take on a Logia, an elite martial artist and assassin, absorbed all of Luffy's pain and tore through an entire island of humandrills before Mihawk even started training him. Zoro's fighting spirit is the strongest in the series bar none.




If Haki = willpower, it's no wonder that Zoro's is above all others. None can compare to his determination, and if black blades are related to CoC, it's even more evident that Zoro's CoC (and by extension, Mihawk's as well) would be the strongest in-series.

What do you guys think? Will Zoro and Mihawk end up having the strongest CoC? I legitimately don't see any way for Luffy's willpower to overcome Zoro's at this point.

Nice read..It is entirely possible. It is important to note that you can see black lightning on the fodders as they are getting knocked out. This means not only was Zoro using passive normal COC, he was using the advanced version to passively knock fodder out...very impressive...:finally:
 
#7
Asura = CoC is definitely surprising and will likely be explained in whatever arc Shank features in. As far as I'm concerned, it's an advanced application of CoC and i have no idea how Zoro could unconsciously manifest it or accidentally learn to use it on his own, all the way back around Ennis Lobby.
My explanation for it is that Zoro's willpower is simply on another level. Even Arlong, a Fishman supremacist was terrified of a half-dead Zoro and wanted him dead asap. Many other characters have commented on Zoro's aura (e.g. Urashima), and Zoro is the first and only character to defeat his opponent through fear alone (Monet). Not even the yonko passively exude that level of CoC or intimidation.

Oda made a joke out of Zoro's CoC causing an earthquake, but given some of his track records, this may actually become reality someday. This application of CoC would be miles ahead of Shanks cracking the Moby Dick.
 
#11
I'm trying to figure out while his ACoC gives of smoke/steam.



I used to think it was because enma was forcing him to release too much of his haki but that doesn't seem to be the case since all 3 swords are giving off that smoke/steam.



Zoro is the only giving off smoke/steam.


I wonder if it has something to do with creating a black blade. This could be the first step.
 
#12
Zoro will peak at his highest when he has to protect something dear to him.
Now this is an hypothesis but not that far fetched from reality, if Kaido decide to destroy the flower capital on his own and Luffy cant stop him for x reason, I can see Zoro stepping in (for him the citizen of Wano are very dear, his interaction when he visited the village, shown how the poor soul coudnt stop laughing due to the smile and made it very personal for Zoro).
In that occasion we will see again Zoro will driving to his highest and probably achieving his first blacken blade
What do you thing about this @Den_Den_Mushi?
This is of course speculation, but could happen base on how the story is moving.
 
#14
I said it once & i will say it again

Zoro is Reverse Blackbeard
Luffy is Reverse Im-Sama

Blackbeard have a Body that can Carry Three DFs, He is a Trion DF User
Zoro have a Body that have Three Times Normal Willpower, He is a Trion CoC User

Zoro's CoC is Most Powerful ever, Luffy will have a different Power that makes him stand out from CoC Users
Mihawk didn't show much interest in Vista even though his Swordsmanship was Amazing, why? Because he lacked CoC

Mihawk only wanted to Fight Prime Luffy, Prime Zoro, Prime Shanks & Prime WB out of those he met
Cuz he only looks for Most Powerful CoC Users, this is why Mihawk told Zoro "Find your Will & know Yourself"

Mihawk have Double-Layered Hawk Eyes, he was gonna be called Clairvoyant & Databook said that he is best at knowing someone Power Level & Potential, it's part of his Character as someone who is looking for Best Fight. So this guy chose Zoro as his Champion, it's because Zoro possess Greatest CoC

This is also why Zoro is related to Cross References (Introduced in a Cross, Bandaged as a Cross, defeated by Two Shichibukai who have Christianity Signs, sent near a Giant Cross by Kuma on Mihawk's Island, took Luffy's Damage ... etc)
It's because he represents a Trion Spirited Individual, which is similar to Concept of Christianity & what the Cross in it represents

Not to mention that He is Santoryu User & have Asura (Which is Trion Demon)
Zoro's Willpower is Most Overwhelming

I think you now know why his OST is called Very Very Very Strongest (Three times the Word Very was used)
What are you smoking brug
 
#16
his seen captains having CoC before.
Now Kaido is no stranger to other Conquerors. In fact, he doesn't really care if the Supernovas are Conquerors or not. As Chinjao said, it's not all that uncommon the deeper you go into the New World, and Kaido's reaction to Luffy's CoC is merely to shrug and go back to drinking himself into a stupor:
But as soon as Zoro displays CoC, Kaido is shocked. Why the sudden interest, Kaido? Could it be that this is his first time seeing advanced CoC physically manifested as an extra set of human limbs? We've only seen CoC in the form of generic black lightning, but Zoro's fighting spirit is clearly on a different, much more tangible level.
read what he said " you have conquerors haki to" his most likely talking even luffys vice captain has CoC and whos else vice captain has COC? roger.
Zoro, on the other hand, doesn't need to issue a command. He doesn't even register the fodder, lost in thought about Enma and facing away from them, towards King.
your compareing 2 unexpience haki users to a user whos been using haki for years.
Zoro's CoC is so strong that he can simply passively KO fodder. This is different to even Shanks, who was actively using his CoC to display dominance in front of Whitebeard and his crew. Let's not also forget that Zoro is a newbie. He shouldn't have that level of control over CoC, when only a short while ago, he didn't even realise he had it. Luffy had the basic form of CoC since Amazon Lily, but wasn't able to use it on command until after the timeskip.
um you know that the more expienced COC are the one that can do it on command and what we saw from zoro released his haki though enma he realesed CoC that knocked out the jobbers,he didnt do what luffy and other users he unconsciously used CoC, his more control over it more than ace and luffy used it the first time but same as post ts luffy and shanks nah i dont think so.

before anyone says anything im a zoro fan but i disagree with some of the points and im not saying what zoro is doing with kings haki isnt specail, i beleive asura is CoC and what zoro is doing is specail to him most likely because of Sandai Kitetsu but saying his goner overshadow shanks kings haki withoiut seeing what shanks can do feels not right.
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Who have more Willpower than Zoro?
maybe the man who got part of is head burn off, getting a lava fist into his chest and 267 sword wounds, 152 gun wounds and shot by canon 46 times while being quit sick.
 
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#17
Very nice read :steef:

Very interesting that people thought Enma was a magic sword that gave Zoro powers; turns out all Enma did was inadvertently nerf Zoro, and then get him to stop holding back by showing him that top-tier swordsmen are always releasing 100% of their Haki.

That's why he now has lightning and smoke on each of his swords instead of just Enma - my man has officially ascended :finally:

Tho the smoke is interesting - perhaps an indication that he's on a time limit similar to G4, or something to do with blackening his swords.
 

Reborn

~~Surpass Your Limits, Right here, Right now~~
#18
With the final confirmation of Zoro's Conqueror's Haki, it's time to look back over what we know about this ability and how our heroes have unlocked it in the past. Going back over Ace and Luffy's experiences with CoC, it becomes painfully obvious that Zoro, even as a novice CoC user, unlocked it at a much higher level than they did. I'd even go so far as to argue that Zoro's will to become a king has been portrayed as stronger than Luffy's, even given Luffy's 2 years of CoC experience and his continuous declarations about becoming Pirate King. Controversial? Not really, once you look at the evidence.

Just like Ace and Luffy, Zoro's first proper manifestation of CoC was in defence of someone else. Zoro launched his final attack on Kaido just as Kaido was about to finish off a downed Luffy, saying that Kaido should take his head instead:


Now Kaido is no stranger to other Conquerors. In fact, he doesn't really care if the Supernovas are Conquerors or not. As Chinjao said, it's not all that uncommon the deeper you go into the New World, and Kaido's reaction to Luffy's CoC is merely to shrug and go back to drinking himself into a stupor:

But as soon as Zoro displays CoC, Kaido is shocked. Why the sudden interest, Kaido? Could it be that this is his first time seeing advanced CoC physically manifested as an extra set of human limbs? We've only seen CoC in the form of generic black lightning, but Zoro's fighting spirit is clearly on a different, much more tangible level.

Let's also look at how beginners make use of CoC. Observe how Ace and Luffy needed to issue a command in order to impose their will over fodders:


Zoro, on the other hand, doesn't need to issue a command. He doesn't even register the fodder, lost in thought about Enma and facing away from them, towards King.
Zoro's CoC is so strong that he can simply passively KO fodder. This is different to even Shanks, who was actively using his CoC to display dominance in front of Whitebeard and his crew. Let's not also forget that Zoro is a newbie. He shouldn't have that level of control over CoC, when only a short while ago, he didn't even realise he had it. Luffy had the basic form of CoC since Amazon Lily, but wasn't able to use it on command until after the timeskip.

Then again, it shouldn't be surprising that Zoro's CoC is stronger. This man suffered a crippling injury at the very beginning of the story, but proceeded to take on a Logia, an elite martial artist and assassin, absorbed all of Luffy's pain and tore through an entire island of humandrills before Mihawk even started training him. Zoro's fighting spirit is the strongest in the series bar none.




If Haki = willpower, it's no wonder that Zoro's is above all others. None can compare to his determination, and if black blades are related to CoC, it's even more evident that Zoro's CoC (and by extension, Mihawk's as well) would be the strongest in-series.

What do you guys think? Will Zoro and Mihawk end up having the strongest CoC? I legitimately don't see any way for Luffy's willpower to overcome Zoro's at this point.

Agreed!!

Will power is basically strong determination to achieve something.


Both luffy and zoro have shown to have this in order to achieve their dreams.

Their will power manifest in three ways

1) to get stronger and surpass their opponents and thus pushing themselves beyond limits.

2)To become PK and WSS

3)to protect nakamas


But Zoro will power is on another level because

1)He repeatedly undergone immense training which even luffy doesn't do

2)unlike luffy, zoro has intent to kill. This is very important because it reflects the length zoro can go which in itself is a reflection of his will power.
 
#19
With the final confirmation of Zoro's Conqueror's Haki, it's time to look back over what we know about this ability and how our heroes have unlocked it in the past. Going back over Ace and Luffy's experiences with CoC, it becomes painfully obvious that Zoro, even as a novice CoC user, unlocked it at a much higher level than they did. I'd even go so far as to argue that Zoro's will to become a king has been portrayed as stronger than Luffy's, even given Luffy's 2 years of CoC experience and his continuous declarations about becoming Pirate King. Controversial? Not really, once you look at the evidence.

Just like Ace and Luffy, Zoro's first proper manifestation of CoC was in defence of someone else. Zoro launched his final attack on Kaido just as Kaido was about to finish off a downed Luffy, saying that Kaido should take his head instead:


Now Kaido is no stranger to other Conquerors. In fact, he doesn't really care if the Supernovas are Conquerors or not. As Chinjao said, it's not all that uncommon the deeper you go into the New World, and Kaido's reaction to Luffy's CoC is merely to shrug and go back to drinking himself into a stupor:

But as soon as Zoro displays CoC, Kaido is shocked. Why the sudden interest, Kaido? Could it be that this is his first time seeing advanced CoC physically manifested as an extra set of human limbs? We've only seen CoC in the form of generic black lightning, but Zoro's fighting spirit is clearly on a different, much more tangible level.

Let's also look at how beginners make use of CoC. Observe how Ace and Luffy needed to issue a command in order to impose their will over fodders:


Zoro, on the other hand, doesn't need to issue a command. He doesn't even register the fodder, lost in thought about Enma and facing away from them, towards King.
Zoro's CoC is so strong that he can simply passively KO fodder. This is different to even Shanks, who was actively using his CoC to display dominance in front of Whitebeard and his crew. Let's not also forget that Zoro is a newbie. He shouldn't have that level of control over CoC, when only a short while ago, he didn't even realise he had it. Luffy had the basic form of CoC since Amazon Lily, but wasn't able to use it on command until after the timeskip.

Then again, it shouldn't be surprising that Zoro's CoC is stronger. This man suffered a crippling injury at the very beginning of the story, but proceeded to take on a Logia, an elite martial artist and assassin, absorbed all of Luffy's pain and tore through an entire island of humandrills before Mihawk even started training him. Zoro's fighting spirit is the strongest in the series bar none.




If Haki = willpower, it's no wonder that Zoro's is above all others. None can compare to his determination, and if black blades are related to CoC, it's even more evident that Zoro's CoC (and by extension, Mihawk's as well) would be the strongest in-series.

What do you guys think? Will Zoro and Mihawk end up having the strongest CoC? I legitimately don't see any way for Luffy's willpower to overcome Zoro's at this point.

I totally agree.

I think the best quality of Luffy's CoC is getting people to follow him willfully.

Luffy's CoC= The good King everyone loves and wants/ have no qualms about following. He's as powerful as the people who believe in him. His conquering spirit depends on those who follow him.


Zoro's CoC = The King everyone either loves, hates, fears, or respects etc.; regardless of their opinions, they won't and can't challenge him because he's just too powerful. His conquering spirit doesn't depend on others, just himself.



So while I think Luffy's type of conquering spirit makes him more "powerful" in the grand scheme of things, individually, his conquering spirit won't be able to compare at all to Zori's.
 
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