Powers & Abilities Enma General Discussion Power-up / Black Blade
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But it's clearly not just CoA since wb and Roger who had better CoA then oden also don't have black blades. If all it takes is CoA then I think any swordsman vista level and up should logically have black blades. To that point these graded swords that have been used by master swordsmen over decades and life times should be black blades. So I'm saying again oden could have 0 work in makes emma black especially since he himself didn't do it.
Ask Zoro. He's the one that specified Enma lol.
Yall argue with his own words. Why is it so hard to admit Zoro needs assistance? Everyone does. Luffy does, you don't see his fans crying. Even WB needed help to fight the marines.
This idea that Zoro need to be strong on his own is nonsense. He would have never left East Blue if he only relied on himself.
You know me to be a troll. But you also know he would have never been able to cut Kaido without Enma. Thats a fact now.
This whole time you thought Zoro had better coa than Luffy but we now know that's not true. And you don't like the facts but you have no choice now. Zoro is still a chapter or 2 away from even figuring out Kaido. Rayliegh says haki blooms in battle. No bigger battle than right now. His haki will sky rocket. Be happy with that.
Yall argue with his own words. Why is it so hard to admit Zoro needs assistance? Everyone does. Luffy does, you don't see his fans crying. Even WB needed help to fight the marines.
This idea that Zoro need to be strong on his own is nonsense. He would have never left East Blue if he only relied on himself.
You know me to be a troll. But you also know he would have never been able to cut Kaido without Enma. Thats a fact now.
This whole time you thought Zoro had better coa than Luffy but we now know that's not true. And you don't like the facts but you have no choice now. Zoro is still a chapter or 2 away from even figuring out Kaido. Rayliegh says haki blooms in battle. No bigger battle than right now. His haki will sky rocket. Be happy with that.
Let me start with telling you that you have no idea what you are saying. Cut the nonsense and focus on the issue.
Secondly, have you ever heard the saying "Dont trust the words, trust the actions"?
To prove that Enma is a PU you need some actual proof in the reality of combat situations and you have none.
That's your headcanon, not a fact. No, you dont know anything because Zoro still has better Haki than Luffy.
Lmao, you are full of headcanon. I guess Zoro trying harder in the second attack is his haki skyrocketing.
Again, you dont know what you are saying. He fights equally with 3 swords, the other two arent Enma's cheerleaders.
Secondly, have you ever heard the saying "Dont trust the words, trust the actions"?
To prove that Enma is a PU you need some actual proof in the reality of combat situations and you have none.
That's your headcanon, not a fact. No, you dont know anything because Zoro still has better Haki than Luffy.
Lmao, you are full of headcanon. I guess Zoro trying harder in the second attack is his haki skyrocketing.
Again, you dont know what you are saying. He fights equally with 3 swords, the other two arent Enma's cheerleaders.
What exactly are you expecting to be different, performance wise? If the quality of the Sword is better, you can expect harder, heavier/lighter and sharper blades, which the weight would effect the speed behind the strikes/users movement, and the lethality of the attacks. It's not a tangible thing you can see.
Whatever Enma's case may be, it seems to directly be helping to strengthen Zoro's haki in some way. That effect for Zoro is permanent, so it's a powerup like internal destruction Haki for Luffy is a power up. These things aren't like the Raid Suit, where it only boosts Sanji while he's wearing it, which would constitute that as a temporary powerup. Any kind of new, stronger ability, or strength boost to an already existing ability, is a powerup.
Whatever Enma's case may be, it seems to directly be helping to strengthen Zoro's haki in some way. That effect for Zoro is permanent, so it's a powerup like internal destruction Haki for Luffy is a power up. These things aren't like the Raid Suit, where it only boosts Sanji while he's wearing it, which would constitute that as a temporary powerup. Any kind of new, stronger ability, or strength boost to an already existing ability, is a powerup.
Enma is not a power because Zoro having Enma doesnt instantly mean hes stronger he still needs to train and get used to it, He needs to fight with it and unleash more of its potential activity. Enma is obviously a better sword than the average sword but that doesnt mean anyone will be able to unlock it potential. Zoro has been trying to train his skills with enma since he acquired it and he still got a way to go. Its not like he got a tool and instantly just became stronger. If you believe zoro just became stronger instantly without any training as soon as he held enma then you are delusional, enma is not a raid suit.
In history of all OP power-ups, there has never been a power-up that nobody could tell what exactly it is.
Every single one can be pointed out directly in combat. The situation with Enma cannot because it is no PU...
Just like people said, the weights used for lifting werent called a PU, Hyogoro isnt called a PU and so on...
With Zoro's restrictions towards haki drain, Enma is left with the same amount of haki as the other 2 swords and thus, no different.
Since Kokutos have been hinted at during this arc, I suspect that's the true purpose of Enma.
To improve Zoro's haki manipulation to be able to create a Black Blade and until then, nothing tangible will be in front of us.
But there is nothing new, stronger, boosting for Zoro's existing abilites when Enma is restricted.
Only if he allows it to drain him completely it would be the case which he obviously isnt doing.
As long as Zoro controls the amount of haki released, Enma is the same as Wado Ichimonji and Sandai Kitetsu.
Take away RS from Sanji and Haki flow from Luffy and they lose abilities, they are no longer capable of what they were with them.
Take Enma away from Zoro and he is still capable of the same stuff.
That makes it obvious.
Every single one can be pointed out directly in combat. The situation with Enma cannot because it is no PU...
Just like people said, the weights used for lifting werent called a PU, Hyogoro isnt called a PU and so on...
With Zoro's restrictions towards haki drain, Enma is left with the same amount of haki as the other 2 swords and thus, no different.
Since Kokutos have been hinted at during this arc, I suspect that's the true purpose of Enma.
To improve Zoro's haki manipulation to be able to create a Black Blade and until then, nothing tangible will be in front of us.
But there is nothing new, stronger, boosting for Zoro's existing abilites when Enma is restricted.
Only if he allows it to drain him completely it would be the case which he obviously isnt doing.
As long as Zoro controls the amount of haki released, Enma is the same as Wado Ichimonji and Sandai Kitetsu.
Take away RS from Sanji and Haki flow from Luffy and they lose abilities, they are no longer capable of what they were with them.
Take Enma away from Zoro and he is still capable of the same stuff.
That makes it obvious.
I mean, we are all speculating here on what Enma does exactly, but what you're speculating goes completely against what Zoro stated in regards to using Enma. As it stands right now, Zoro knows almost next to nothing when it comes to Black Blades. He wanted to ask Gyukimaru, but it was cut short due to Killer's interruption. So Kokuto being Enma's true purpose doesn't make sense in regards to Zoro stating that training with it will make him much stronger. This is not a statement that can just be ignored. If the guy who is supposed to live for training and becoming stronger makes a statement that a specific thing is going to make him stronger, then we have to take it for what it is.
I think the issue here, is that we haven't seen the payoff of what exactly Enma is supposed to boost, so it leaves wiggle room for argument. But at the end of the day, all clues, and statements made so far points towards there being a major payoff by the end of this fight.
I think the issue here, is that we haven't seen the payoff of what exactly Enma is supposed to boost, so it leaves wiggle room for argument. But at the end of the day, all clues, and statements made so far points towards there being a major payoff by the end of this fight.
That's the thing, if you want to see whether something is a power-up or not, pay attention to actions, not to words...
You can claim all sorts of things but if your actions dont back it up, no use of it, right? Same for Zoro.
Kokuto makes the most sense because Zoro already stated he can cut everything and released slashes big enough to split a mountain.
That's the problem, logic prevents us from calling Enma a boost because it only gets as much Haki as Zoro wants to release aka the same amount as the other two swords... Sure, if the payoff is tangible I will gladly admit being wrong about it but I have to see it first...
You can claim all sorts of things but if your actions dont back it up, no use of it, right? Same for Zoro.
Kokuto makes the most sense because Zoro already stated he can cut everything and released slashes big enough to split a mountain.
That's the problem, logic prevents us from calling Enma a boost because it only gets as much Haki as Zoro wants to release aka the same amount as the other two swords... Sure, if the payoff is tangible I will gladly admit being wrong about it but I have to see it first...
Well considering the that the fight just started, we really don't have a lot to go on at the moment. There is also the fact that we have no basis of comparison of how Zoro would have fared against cutting Kaido without Enma, because this is the first time he's ever attacked Kaido, and he has Enma. What we do know, is that Zoro implied that by releasing more of Enma, it will yield much better results. He specifically singled out Enma here. And if Enma really is holding him back, like some people are lead to believe, then wouldn't the most logical thing for him to do is sheath it, and just fight with Wado and Sandai in order to utilize the full strength of his Haki? If he felt Enma was a hinderance and wasn't going to benefit him in the long run, then why continue to use it when he is currently taking part in the biggest fight of his life?
What he implied - releasing more of Enma makes no sense, releasing more of Haki does.
Enma is not holding him back, he is holding Enma back, he has to, at all times. That's the new normal.
He was holding back in first hit, he will try harder next time, that's all there is to it.
The same thing why 1080pHo did not split Pica's golem while nameless haki coated slash did. He tried harder aka used more haki...
Enma is not holding him back, he is holding Enma back, he has to, at all times. That's the new normal.
He was holding back in first hit, he will try harder next time, that's all there is to it.
The same thing why 1080pHo did not split Pica's golem while nameless haki coated slash did. He tried harder aka used more haki...