Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1002 Spoilers Discussion

[Sentinel]

I asked you Zoro vs Beckman months ago, you were still cautious on that. Has your stance changed?

I mean, I still cannot tell much. Ben is clearly Shanks' VC so he's stronger than all YC1 characters by default. He's Shanks' Rayleigh I'd say.

Thus, I have to see Ben's general powerlevel before I can estimate his strength compared to Zoro.

Btw, I see Zoro at YC1+ lv - that's just my current stance which can obviously change regarding his performance in the next chapters.

 

[Finalbeta]

Don't be too harsh on these kids I love them because they always entertain me.

You didn't answer my question Erkan. Are you unable to or do you ignore the intellectually superior?

 

[Hedfi]

Never been confirmed anywhere Enma takes the users haki and multiplies that's taking it too far. Why would the sword need to drain all the users haki if it can just take a portion of that and multiply it many times.

It exudes its wielders ryuo on it's own and slices more than needed all with the users own haki, to there is nothing in this chapter or explanation about enma that says it multiplies your haki. Where do people get these from

It exudes its wielders ryuo on it's own and slices more than needed.

Isn't "slice more than needed" a clear indication that it amplifies it's wielder cutting power.
An example of that is if we say that an X amount of Zoro's haki could normally release a 5m long air slash then with the same amount of his Haki using Enma he could release a 10 meter slash.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

So he's still got low, mid, upper high tier, low, mid and upper top tier attacks stronger than this attack in your world?
Sounds like more zorotardy Luffy downplay.
You have no idea of Zoro's current moveset hierarchy, Zoro thought this attack was the best for the job, it relied on Enma's ability hence ittoryu and he was huffing afterwards. Would Zoro be dead after unleashing a top top tier attack ? (and take 2 chapters to charge it, and get easily dodged)

What? Before this chapter nobody would put that attack in Zoro upper tier. Are you stupid. Thats like saying Luffy taught a G3 punch is best to finish Kaido. They do various attacks throughout the fight. Who the hell puts this in Zoro upper tier attacks. Its like me saying that G3 punch by Luffy is his top tier attack.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Why did you call to Katakuri as proof of her superior CoO then? Why can't Kaido do all of that as a hardened veteran emperor?- and still require Big Mom's advise to dodge because he is cocky.

I’m using Kat as a metric. Kat has perfect CoO skills. I assume genes passed to Kat to give him that. Backtracking that means Big Mom has great CoO stats.

As for Kaidos case, because he’s never been scathe on a level besides Oden he believes he is untouchable.

You should have known this before you asked the question. This is common knowledge

 

[Rmstorm]

Yeah but that puts Luffy and Zoro on top tier scale.
Put Kaido against Marco, Doffy, Kata, Jozu, Cracker, he tears their asses apart even in Dragon form.

Zoro is not top tier, not even close. Having top tier attack power because of Sword does nit make one top top tier.

Zoro lacks endurance, speed, observation haki and durability to be a top tier.

He is just a High tier with top tier attack power. That is why he needed law in this fight.

The only person in this fight that is actually a top tier is luffy.

He has top tier stats all round. That us what makes a fighter top tier.

Luffy has Top tier speed, Top tier observation and armament haki, top tier endurance, etc.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

It exudes its wielders ryuo on it's own and slices more than needed.

Isn't "slice more than needed" a clear indication that it amplifies it's wielder cutting power.
An example of that is if we say that an X amount of Zoro's haki could normally release a 5m long air slash then with the same amount of his Haki using Enma he could release a 10 meter slash.

Enma does not have Ryou. Stop talking nonesense. All it dies is take peoples haki more than it wants too

 

[WesMidnight]

I think Luffy might be able to extreme diff Dragon!Kaido if his stamina holds up, but:

• Luffy hasn't dealt much damage to Kaido with any of his attacks either.
• Boro Breath still hurt Luffy visibly despite him tanking it.
  • Boro Breath seems to have dealt more damage than Kong Rifle.

Luffy vs Dragon!Kaido comes to a battle of attrition and I don't like Luffy's chances there because of stamina issues.

Zoro shuts down Dragon!Kaido's entire offensive arsenal, and can bring him down quickly using his Upper Tier techniques. Dragon!Kaido literally has no hope of beating Zoro.



Kong Gatling should disorient Dragon!Kaido enough for Zoro to land Hiryuu Kaen or any of his other Upper Tier techniques. It's all downhill for Dragon!Kaido from there.

Luffy has been getting the majority of the agro from two yonko, Luffy has great stamina in his serious end of arc fights that aren't plot restricted.
Oda has hyped internal destruction, wait and see. This is One Piece. Luffy always has the most impressive victory each arc.

 

[OPKnK]

I think Luffy might be able to extreme diff Dragon!Kaido if his stamina holds up, but:

• Luffy hasn't dealt much damage to Kaido with any of his attacks either.
• Boro Breath still hurt Luffy visibly despite him tanking it.
  • Boro Breath seems to have dealt more damage than Kong Rifle.

Luffy vs Dragon!Kaido comes to a battle of attrition and I don't like Luffy's chances there because of stamina issues.

Zoro shuts down Dragon!Kaido's entire offensive arsenal, and can bring him down quickly using his Upper Tier techniques. Dragon!Kaido literally has no hope of beating Zoro.



Kong Gatling should disorient Dragon!Kaido enough for Zoro to land Hiryuu Kaen or any of his other Upper Tier techniques. It's all downhill for Dragon!Kaido from there.

I think you forget depending on how high dragon Kaido is that would be a factor in how zoro has to fight .
Yeah luffy and Zoro should be able to handhled him i just wish he does more than just tank stuff any form lol .

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Guys never forget Crying L6x @Erkan12 decided to make a 10 font dissertation within a meme expressing why he’s the good guy and the victim to a Meme. A fucking Meme.

That day your feelings were hurt weren’t they lil boi? You ran to the mods to ask Daddy if you’re allowed to post it.

 

[Superior to you]

Roger wasn't scared of Big Mom.
I assume there was more to lose.
Engaging a Yonko in their territory is always a bad idea.

Look at luffy, had it been just his crew, someone would have died

If you could do the same thing with fighting or without fighting, which would ROGER choose, are people morons, at that time big mom was not even in her prime, i belive roger solo would have mid diffed her and her crew at that time, but why would he do that, he is not akainu he is more like luffy, context matters. Look at luffy in amazon lily he didnt want to fight the women there, even tho they were attacking him. Roger is not barbarian, he wanted something that belonged to big mom. Simple...

 

[Ice devil slayer]

I agree about this
Luffy and Zoro beats the fuck out of Dragon kaido

 

[Finalbeta]

Luffy has been getting the majority of the agro from two yonko, Luffy has great stamina in his serious end of arc fights that aren't plot restricted.
Oda has hyped internal destruction, wait and see. This is One Piece. Luffy always has the most impressive victory each arc.

Then why did Oda portray Zoro assisting Luffy so patently.

What happened to the Enies Lobby old ancient greatness where Luffy was being portrayed like a God taking the boss on himself?

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Don't be too harsh on these kids I love them because they always entertain me.

i taught Zoro not that strong? Lmfao Why a Youkou saying don't underestimate him and warning another Youkou about him?

 

[Ballel]

I'm not saying they didn't but you can't also deny that Kaido also sensed Oden's ryou coming specifically from them and his scar.

Oden's haki coming from Kaido's scar?

 

[Buusatan94]

The Luffy vs Zoro threads are going to be a nightmare in the next weeks

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Zoro is not top tier, not even close. Having top tier attack power because of Sword does nit make one top top tier.

Zoro lacks endurance, speed, observation haki and durability to be a top tier.

He is just a High tier with top tier attack power. That is why he needed law in this fight.

The only person in this fight that is actually a top tier is luffy.

He has top tier stats all round. That us what makes a fighter top tier.

Luffy has Top tier speed, Top tier observation and armament haki, top tier endurance, etc.

stfu

 

[Hedfi]

Enma does not have Ryou. Stop talking nonesense. All it dies is take peoples haki more than it wants too

When have I ever said that Enma has its own Ryou? I said it cuts more than needed using the wielder's own Haki.

 

[WesMidnight]

I’m using Kat as a metric. Kat has perfect CoO skills. I assume genes passed to Kat to give him that. Backtracking that means Big Mom has great CoO stats.

As for Kaidos case, because he’s never been scathe on a level besides Oden he believes he is untouchable.

You should have known this before you asked the question. This is common knowledge

You can't use Kat as a metric, then pull the rug out when I demonstrate she relied on his CoO heavily during WCI and then fall back on the fact she is a veteran yonko, when Kaido is a veteran yonko. They both have decent CoO and situational awareness when serious.

Big Mom has never been scarred so she should believe she is even more untouchable under that metric.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

@Rmstorm You seriously don't learn after shit after eating shit.
Oda is literally putting you in your place each day and you continue to be a tool box.