How will the Supernovas fare against Hybrid Kaido?


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He should have general knowledge of how Zoan fruits work though
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Luffy is not surpassing Kaido this arc lol
Why not? So in a direct confrontation against Kaidou, Luffy actually meant "i will surpass you to become PK! ...ten arcs later!" Did that what he mean? So Zoro will do the similar think when facing Mihawk? Surpassing Mihawk ten arcs after their actual fight?
 

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Kaido was showing signs of pain by screaming or having blanked eyes every hit he took.
Kaido said that all those attacks were "tricks" and "vexing". He called them annoying.

His reaction to Zoro's attack is still tied to him thinking about Oden and realizing Enma is Oden's blade.
He directly acknowledged Zoro's attack worked and Mama did too.

But honestly, this is not what bothers me the most.
What bothered me the most was the clear exageration the first set of spoilers did to hype Zoro. He even drew Zoro's blade non black to make people think he managed to hit Kaido without using blackening.
That's low. Really low.
Nah. That was just Zoro fans being overenthusiastic in how we interpreted that scene. The spoiler provider has never been high fidelity in his art (look at previous chapters), you're just excessively scrutinising this one because of how people interpreted it. It's not the spoiler provider's fault, that Zoro fans were eager to wank him.


Mmm, don't think this is a great hill to die on. There's a good chance that Kaido and Meme just KO everyone to end act 3.
That's true, and if I'm wrong, I'll take my L. It's not like I've never been wrong on my predictions before.

I can see Zoro being temporarily knocked out with the other Supernova, but I don't expect him to stay down while Luffy is invulnerable for 10 minutes.


By not letting him use it?
He can see the future, after all.
Why let someone use a move you know you cant avoid if you know when it's coming?
How does Katakuri prevent it? It's not like it has a long setup time or anything. The attack is near instant and has massive AOE.


Yep it's something special about Enma. I'm not sure it's Oden's haki yet (Kaido questioned if the scabbards used Oden's Ryuo and said he saw the visage of Oden in them), but this is an Enma unique property.

Those who claimed Enma was not a powerup seem to be very wrong.


Zoro fulfilling Oden's will is insignificant to Luffy becoming PK. One of Luffy's requirement of becoming PK = surpassing Kaidou. So yeah going by that narrative, Luffy will be new WSC to replace Kaidou, before playing ping-pong with BB over WSC-WSM status.
Luffy doesn't need to be stronger than Kaido in Wano to eventually become Pirate King. It's not actually a requirement.
 

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Kaido just has insane durability/endurance and recovery speed. He is taking damage since the scabbard battle, but is still back like it's no worse to wear. He looked the most damaged after kong gatling though.

I'd say the SN damage ratio comparatively to each other look this way

Luffy - 92 %
Zoro - 3%
Killer - 3%
Law - 2%

Luffy did the most damage thus far due to being the one the most on the offense with his level3 hardened G4 punches, with Kong Gatling hurting Kaido the most(with Kaido temporarily down, and Big Mom worried)

Zoro did enough damage for Kaido to spout Luffy out, but Killer momentarily having Kaido down due to internal sonic attack, and Law giving slightly less damage with his gamma knife

Kid did the least thus far. Hope that changes though :josad:
Put Luffy at 91 and give Kidd at least 1, you monster.
 
*Fish Lord you mean and he still weaker than Luffy and wouldn't stand a chance if not for the time-limit on G4

An admiral laugh-diff Crydo of the Fish - this is a fact, the great Monkey of Yellow - Kizaru-sama - want to this this for fun but Oda made the great Dog of Red - Akainu, AKA Papakuzi - to warn him of the mighty samurai that one (Oden, yam) of them still hunt Crydo of th Fish to this day! 20 years after his death!

Also LOL to use hype to supprt a weak characrer like Crydo of the Fish who got plenty of hype and keep dissapointed until this day? Stop trolling pleb.
Why don't you get a life rather than writing nonsense comments😂
 
None of what you posted negates the time reaction of Kaido being put down for several pages vs no pages.


There were ryuo bubbles after each gattling hit = internal damage.

Even before ryuo was a thing gatling didn't cut open the people Luffy fought, that's not how brawling works, doesn't mean asura did more damage to Kaku than jet gattling did to Lucci...

If you seriously think Luffy going all out with a g4 gattling did less damage than Zoro's mid effort attack then you are insulting Zoro's captain and aren't a Zoro fan, instead a devolved zorotard. Keep reading sword piece, where Pica is stronger than Doflamingo and Mihawk is stronger than Primebeard.
On the contrary, imo Luffy didnt even show signs of using internal destruction. Since the punch impact art were external.
 
BM was scared af when Kaido was getting his ass beat and then starts laughing when she realizes he’s okay. Man she’s a joke, I don’t see how she’s been impressive when all she does is ride the coattails of Kaido
 
Luffy's recovery after G4 runs out is different every time lol. In Dress Rosa, he struggled to even walk and got carried by Dressrosa citizens. After using it against Cracker, he couldn't move much initially but fought the enraged army for sometime before getting beat. Against BM he looked absolutely exhausted even though he didn't use G4 much. While in mirror world he was perfectly fine. He was able to dodge Katakuri a few times and ran away. Now, he looks absolutely drained.

His recovery/ time after just coming out of G4 should be bit more consistent imo
 
Kong Gatling might have dealt more damage than Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki, but there's nowhere it's on another level from it:
  • Kokujo Ou Tatsumaki made Kaido cough up much more blood than Kong Gatling
    • It also cut Kaido up and drew blood from him directly
  • It overwhelmed and completely destroyed Kaido's named tornado attack

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Look the attack was not that draining for Zoro.
To say that a five page attack that was extremely draining for Luffy and EVERYONE was shocked at is at the same level as a non draining attack for Zoro is massive Luffy downplay and not in line with the reality that Kaido was kept down on the ground after the attack for several pages, big Mom's eyes bulged with veins in shock at the potency of the attack.

Kaido stopped falling in the same double spread and was laughing and said are you challenging me with tornados? Then completely overwhelmed it with his counter attack, any damage was not visible on the subsequent panel, so I'm not placing weight on cuts above the internal damage the ryuo bubbles would have done.

Any damage done to Kaido from now on is on a Kaido that was put down properly once by Luffy and no one else. When Zoro's attacks put Kaido down even temporarily that is something to praise, he hasn't done that yet.
 
If a Red Roc did that much damage to a Base Kaido I see no reason as to why Snakeman wouldn't work on his mid endurance form... Also Base Kaido was already blitzing Luffy imagine now in Hybrid if anything, Snakeman will be pretty useful in this fight.
A Red Roc that still did far from enough damage on someone like Kaido and with Boundman's attacks not being enough to inflict too serious damage on him either. The best thing that Snakeman would do would be superficial damages that are certainely not going to weaken Kaido. You don't take on an armored tank with a gatling gun, even a heavy one.

And Snakeman is very good at hitting very fast and in surprising ways but it isn't good for dodging and with the physical power that Hybrid Kaido has the results wouldn't be pretty for Snakeman once Kaido hits him.
 
Where was it during Oni Giri?
Why is Big Mom seeing it too?
Where is Kuina's will/spirit on Wado?
Where is the will/spirit of dead owner of Sandai Kitetsu?
Dont buy into the nonsense. :feelsokeman:

Even with Kaido dead, Luffy still needs babysitting. How many times is the question.
Luffy' situation is another problem. Lets focus Kaido's death by Zoro's hand and be happy now.
 
Where was it during Oni Giri?
Why is Big Mom seeing it too?
Where is Kuina's will/spirit on Wado?
Where is the will/spirit of dead owner of Sandai Kitetsu?
Dont buy into the nonsense.
You are misunderstanding my point.
It is a fact that Kuina's spirit resides in Wado. Same for Sandai with its many victims. These have nothing do with haki.

Exactly..the reason why Kaido doesn't sense anything from Enma with Onigiri is because it wasn't coated. Oden's haki is not in Enma , it is Oden's will/spirit which resides in Enma.
 
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