[FNZ] Role Madness [Season 2] Round 2 - Marineford
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@Light D Lamperouge > Flower
@Flower > LuthonTheDragDown > Go D. Usopp > Natalija
@Go D. Usopp ™ >Flower > Natalija
@Natalija > Go D. Usopp
@Fujishiro > @LuthonTheDragDown > Go D. Usopp
@LANJI CUCKSMOKE > Go. D Usopp
@Marimo_420 > Flower . Go D. Usopp > Natalija
@Typo > Go. D Usopp
@LuthonTheDragDown > Rheanael
@RheanaeL > Light >Unvote
@Lindltaylor > Go D Usopp
@Go D. Usopp ™ - 5
@Natalija - 3
@RheanaeL - 1
@Flower - 1
@Flower @Marimo_420 @Salah WG @Finalbeta @Lindltaylor @Seraphoenix @Go D. Usopp ™ @LANJI CUCKSMOKE @Natalija @Typo @Juliet @RheanaeL @LuthonTheDragDown @Blother @Tris @Jew D. Boy @Light D Lamperouge @Fujishiro
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@Light D Lamperouge > Flower
@Flower > LuthonTheDragDown > Go D. Usopp > Natalija
@Go D. Usopp ™ >Flower > Natalija
@Natalija > Go D. Usopp
@Fujishiro > @LuthonTheDragDown > Go D. Usopp
@LANJI CUCKSMOKE > Go. D Usopp
@Marimo_420 > Flower . Go D. Usopp > Natalija
@Typo > Go. D Usopp
@LuthonTheDragDown > Rheanael
@RheanaeL > Light >Unvote
@Lindltaylor > Go D Usopp
@Go D. Usopp ™ - 5
@Natalija - 3
@RheanaeL - 1
@Flower - 1
@Flower @Marimo_420 @Salah WG @Finalbeta @Lindltaylor @Seraphoenix @Go D. Usopp ™ @LANJI CUCKSMOKE @Natalija @Typo @Juliet @RheanaeL @LuthonTheDragDown @Blother @Tris @Jew D. Boy @Light D Lamperouge @Fujishiro
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Yes, i only iso'ed usopp because he is only suspect i saw from the votes
This is D1, i guess no one claimed anything, right?
And i don't suspect anyone yet because it's better to see these "Reactions" you're talking about & see how this Usopp push continues, rather then offer some random suspect because i didn't like their posts Day 1
So my question again, why was Usopp picked among all others?
This is D1, i guess no one claimed anything, right?
And i don't suspect anyone yet because it's better to see these "Reactions" you're talking about & see how this Usopp push continues, rather then offer some random suspect because i didn't like their posts Day 1
So my question again, why was Usopp picked among all others?
Your reads here are quite different from mine:
1) Flower being on her town or scum meta isn't of any value to me, personally. I don't often judge by meta and you know this. Her dropping town reads every now and then is quite suspicious to me.
2) Beta just seems fixated on some BS theory of his which I know is definitely wrong. His reasons for why town might benefit from flavor claims were terrible. He doesn't seem to realize that and he always tunnels on what he thinks is correct. Calling other players overconfident and not him, is just bad judgement. He is notorious for being overconfident in his reads, which are almost always very very wrong. I would always day 1 lynch him without second thoughts.
3) Juliet - what do you mean by trying to move the game forward? Her telling us about Akainu and Aokiji's abilities? Ability arguments aren't really scum hunting. Her telling us that mafia might be one of the players against flavor claims? Well, that's an intuitive. Or mainly interacting with you and suspecting you? What about that has moved this game forward? In my opinion she's a null read for me.
4) Tris - null again like juliet. She has interacted mainly with you. Her pointing out your speculation as being too explicit and detailed can be taken in any manner. Not necessarily townie. Again a player who has interacted mainly with you and that you've town read.
5) JDB - I don't know what you mean by JDB has improved over the course of the day. His back and forth with you, was something I don't take as a town read. Him coming and suspecting Nat after what everyone else is also doing, isn't anything new. So how exactly are you town reading him on the reasons that you have given. No, that's because he mainly interacted with you.
6) Light - I have him as a town read for now too, but your reasons couldn't be more vague. He was against fishing for info and which he caught Flower and Luthon on. He noticed you trying to pocket Beta, because that is essentially how the bot is designed. Scum reads anyone who votes him, town reads anyone who agrees with him. Also that wasn't the last case of buddying from you. His assumption for Nat not being suspicious of you correctly guessing abilities is also the same reasoning I have.
7) Fuji - Your read on him is lazy? Lol he has questioned - Flower, Voted TAC, questioned you, Tris and JDB. He hasn't been tunneling you and can you blame players for tunneling you? Again your read on him isn't completely accurate. He is a town read for me, because he called TAC out for trying to fish, whether it was a joke or not, he had problems with Beta asking for flavor claims the same way I did, he questioned JDB about his town reads and asked you multiple times about your reads.
And, I'm honestly going to stop here, cause the post is going too long.
1) Flower being on her town or scum meta isn't of any value to me, personally. I don't often judge by meta and you know this. Her dropping town reads every now and then is quite suspicious to me.
2) Beta just seems fixated on some BS theory of his which I know is definitely wrong. His reasons for why town might benefit from flavor claims were terrible. He doesn't seem to realize that and he always tunnels on what he thinks is correct. Calling other players overconfident and not him, is just bad judgement. He is notorious for being overconfident in his reads, which are almost always very very wrong. I would always day 1 lynch him without second thoughts.
3) Juliet - what do you mean by trying to move the game forward? Her telling us about Akainu and Aokiji's abilities? Ability arguments aren't really scum hunting. Her telling us that mafia might be one of the players against flavor claims? Well, that's an intuitive. Or mainly interacting with you and suspecting you? What about that has moved this game forward? In my opinion she's a null read for me.
4) Tris - null again like juliet. She has interacted mainly with you. Her pointing out your speculation as being too explicit and detailed can be taken in any manner. Not necessarily townie. Again a player who has interacted mainly with you and that you've town read.
5) JDB - I don't know what you mean by JDB has improved over the course of the day. His back and forth with you, was something I don't take as a town read. Him coming and suspecting Nat after what everyone else is also doing, isn't anything new. So how exactly are you town reading him on the reasons that you have given. No, that's because he mainly interacted with you.
6) Light - I have him as a town read for now too, but your reasons couldn't be more vague. He was against fishing for info and which he caught Flower and Luthon on. He noticed you trying to pocket Beta, because that is essentially how the bot is designed. Scum reads anyone who votes him, town reads anyone who agrees with him. Also that wasn't the last case of buddying from you. His assumption for Nat not being suspicious of you correctly guessing abilities is also the same reasoning I have.
7) Fuji - Your read on him is lazy? Lol he has questioned - Flower, Voted TAC, questioned you, Tris and JDB. He hasn't been tunneling you and can you blame players for tunneling you? Again your read on him isn't completely accurate. He is a town read for me, because he called TAC out for trying to fish, whether it was a joke or not, he had problems with Beta asking for flavor claims the same way I did, he questioned JDB about his town reads and asked you multiple times about your reads.
And, I'm honestly going to stop here, cause the post is going too long.
That is acceptable argument but i don't remember that Game at all so can't say
Your reasoning is weak, and i will tell you why:
1. If Usopp turns out to be Town, then you will say: Salah reacted to his Lynch because he is Scum & knows that Usopp isn't
2. If Usopp turns out to be Mafia, then you will say: Salah wanted to defend his Scum Buddy
Following this kind of Logic will lead you nowhere, a True Scum-Buddy would make sure to not get himself involved with Usopp at all & best way to defend him is by offering a new Target for Lynch, not directly defend Usopp one
The only reason i wanted Usopp's Lynch to be more explained to me is because i didn't find any other Suspect
As i said, Natalija was voted by Usopp himself & Flower got an early vote from Light for no reason or just random or whatever
And i'm sure there are few accusations here & there but nothing stuck
So when i see that players after most of DP & after 40 pages, they came up with only One Suspect & hardly anyone else then i suspect there is something fishy here, like why didn't his Scum Buddies suggest a new Suspect? and why couldn't Town bother to think of a secondary suspect?
So the right conclusion is that, either Usopp is 100% or let's say over 80% confirmed Scum which is the reason i asked, or he is being accused wrongly & Scum are happy with this Lynch, hence why they didn't bother to redirect attention
Your reasoning is weak, and i will tell you why:
1. If Usopp turns out to be Town, then you will say: Salah reacted to his Lynch because he is Scum & knows that Usopp isn't
2. If Usopp turns out to be Mafia, then you will say: Salah wanted to defend his Scum Buddy
Following this kind of Logic will lead you nowhere, a True Scum-Buddy would make sure to not get himself involved with Usopp at all & best way to defend him is by offering a new Target for Lynch, not directly defend Usopp one
The only reason i wanted Usopp's Lynch to be more explained to me is because i didn't find any other Suspect
As i said, Natalija was voted by Usopp himself & Flower got an early vote from Light for no reason or just random or whatever
And i'm sure there are few accusations here & there but nothing stuck
So when i see that players after most of DP & after 40 pages, they came up with only One Suspect & hardly anyone else then i suspect there is something fishy here, like why didn't his Scum Buddies suggest a new Suspect? and why couldn't Town bother to think of a secondary suspect?
So the right conclusion is that, either Usopp is 100% or let's say over 80% confirmed Scum which is the reason i asked, or he is being accused wrongly & Scum are happy with this Lynch, hence why they didn't bother to redirect attention
Also Usopp, I get that you want to construct a town "core" but randomly naming many players as town isn't the way to go about it. Handing out easy town read/credits is scum indicative. Simply because scum already know who town are, and therefore are more likely to provide less information to justify their reads.
You trying to buddy with players, town read your suspects, and pocket some others while doing so under pressure is scum indicative.
You trying to buddy with players, town read your suspects, and pocket some others while doing so under pressure is scum indicative.
This sounds peculiar since not only I announced I would have changed my old meta in that my intent was to improve the experience of other players surrounding me, but when you look at the broad picture I have already sussed 4 people, and in particularly I have pushed Lind quite consistently, just like Usopp.
I have yet to vote but that's part of point number one. I promised Town not to mess up again, so I feel frustrated about my previous games.
In any event, what was that vote on Rhea for? Fishing a reaction from her or indeed it being serious? In the latter case I was right about you deviating attention from Usopp.
I will consider it null for now, just to be more sure.
I have yet to vote but that's part of point number one. I promised Town not to mess up again, so I feel frustrated about my previous games.
In any event, what was that vote on Rhea for? Fishing a reaction from her or indeed it being serious? In the latter case I was right about you deviating attention from Usopp.
I will consider it null for now, just to be more sure.
@Lindltaylor
I was* overconfident. I promised Town to shift away from my boat of instinctiveness and become actually very strategist-like when it comes to games lol. I won't take a decision until there are many and many, and perhaps then still many elements to support it from now on. And this goes with votes, and goes with actions more generically. But reading players is what harms less, since most people have a thinking brain and don't need to follow me, so I don't see the problem with entertaining case scenarios.
I was* overconfident. I promised Town to shift away from my boat of instinctiveness and become actually very strategist-like when it comes to games lol. I won't take a decision until there are many and many, and perhaps then still many elements to support it from now on. And this goes with votes, and goes with actions more generically. But reading players is what harms less, since most people have a thinking brain and don't need to follow me, so I don't see the problem with entertaining case scenarios.
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