Character Discussion Yamato is Stronger Than King
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Nah, that wasn't my argument. I was just contrasting it with how Doffy also had high ambitions for Law (he wanted him to become the next Corazon).
I think it does. Unless you expect Kaido to stomp Yamato. I think that makes little sense given Yamato's narrative.
I feel like the story requires Yamato to put up a fight against Kaido.
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I think it does. Unless you expect Kaido to stomp Yamato. I think that makes little sense given Yamato's narrative.
I feel like the story requires Yamato to put up a fight against Kaido.
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Brook lost his equivalent fight in Thriller Bark horribly. And Law really didnβt do all that well against Doflamingo either.
Jumping the gun here. We know that Yamato will fight Kaido with all she has.
But will Kaido, who is still insisting that he is Yamatoβs father and will make her Shogun, fight with all he has against her? Or will he treat her like he did the Scabbards, give her a shot before finishing her quickly without ever needing to go all out.
And is the setup for Yamato to fight alongside Luffy, or to need to be saved by him? If she is to be a Strawhat, itβs more likely sheβll need to be saved.
Plus, even if Yamato goes on to really push Kaido, whatβs to say King couldnβt do the same? The upper reaches of both their strengths really hasnβt been touched on yet.
It also has to be said, the fact the Calamities didnβt bother to hunt Yamato themselves and that the task was given to the Flying Six, with the reward then being a chance to fight a Calamity, does not imply the Beast Pirates think Yamato is as strong as a Calamity, at any rate.
Jumping the gun here. We know that Yamato will fight Kaido with all she has.
But will Kaido, who is still insisting that he is Yamatoβs father and will make her Shogun, fight with all he has against her? Or will he treat her like he did the Scabbards, give her a shot before finishing her quickly without ever needing to go all out.
And is the setup for Yamato to fight alongside Luffy, or to need to be saved by him? If she is to be a Strawhat, itβs more likely sheβll need to be saved.
Plus, even if Yamato goes on to really push Kaido, whatβs to say King couldnβt do the same? The upper reaches of both their strengths really hasnβt been touched on yet.
It also has to be said, the fact the Calamities didnβt bother to hunt Yamato themselves and that the task was given to the Flying Six, with the reward then being a chance to fight a Calamity, does not imply the Beast Pirates think Yamato is as strong as a Calamity, at any rate.
The headcanon powerscaling was saying that Yamato is at best, Jack level. We don't actually know any ceiling to Yamato's strength.
Luffy wouldn't "save the day" until much later. Yamato will lose, but she doesn't need to beat Kaido to be above King.
If King shows Haoshoku cladding, I'll reconsider. Otherwise, the best he can hope for is pushing Kaido to some level of low difficulty.
Act 1 Luffy was no diffed. I think King will do better than Act 1 Luffy, but I doubt he can push Kaido beyond low difficulty without Haoshoku cladding.
Luffy wouldn't "save the day" until much later. Yamato will lose, but she doesn't need to beat Kaido to be above King.
If King shows Haoshoku cladding, I'll reconsider. Otherwise, the best he can hope for is pushing Kaido to some level of low difficulty.
Act 1 Luffy was no diffed. I think King will do better than Act 1 Luffy, but I doubt he can push Kaido beyond low difficulty without Haoshoku cladding.
Essentially what @Garp the Fist said. Law performed dismally against Doflamingo and though Brook put up a fight, he was far outclassed by Zombie Ryuma. Just because the plot pits two characters against each other, it doesnβt have any bearing on their power level. King himself has given little consideration to her silly attempts at running amok inside the castle. He even turned stopping her into a game/competition for the junior employees.
Yamatrash gets the Flunky Six; the adults (not counting 30 year old mentally challenged cosplayers) have better things to do. Not really a good sign of her being anywhere near as strong as her defenders think she is.
Yamatrash gets the Flunky Six; the adults (not counting 30 year old mentally challenged cosplayers) have better things to do. Not really a good sign of her being anywhere near as strong as her defenders think she is.
So you made a headcanon that Yamatoβs ceiling is above King? Thereβs no reason to believe such a thing.
We donβt know when Luffy is coming, but the timing should be around her getting stomped moment. Yamato has ZERO chance of being anywhere as strong as King. The story doesnβt even need or require her to be that strong at least as of the current arc.
We donβt know when Luffy is coming, but the timing should be around her getting stomped moment. Yamato has ZERO chance of being anywhere as strong as King. The story doesnβt even need or require her to be that strong at least as of the current arc.
Oda has consistently depicted Yamato as a formidable fighter (going so far as to essentially use Luffy as a hypetool for her), while Brook was never treated in that way.
I don't think Brook is analogous to her at all (for this any many other reasons).
It was still enough to make it clear that he was above Pica.
I agree with this. But there's no meaning saying Yamato > King if she demonstrates the ability to clad her attacks in Haoshoku, or deflects a Thunder Bagua, or any other such displays that make it clear she's very powerful.
King hasn't been suggested to be closer to Kaido than other subordinates are to their Captains. He's the de facto Vice Captain, but he hasn't even been portrayed as being superlative to Queen the way Kata was to Smoothie.
Sure, the Beast Pirates don't think Yamato is as strong as a Calamity. The Beast Pirates were wrong.
Yamato oneshot Ulti:
Sasaki was terrified when she bared her fangs at him:
Sasaki was shocked when she oneshot a Number:
It seems clear that the Beast Pirates simply greatly underestimated Yamato.
It may have also been the case that the explosive cuffs Yamato wore were laced with karouseki. Considering that there were also explosive karouseki cuffs in Udon and that Yamato is a Devil Fruit user, I think those cuffs were probably laced with karouseki.
So the Tobi Roppo were sent to apprehend a Yamato that:
I don't think Brook is analogous to her at all (for this any many other reasons).
It was still enough to make it clear that he was above Pica.
I agree with this. But there's no meaning saying Yamato > King if she demonstrates the ability to clad her attacks in Haoshoku, or deflects a Thunder Bagua, or any other such displays that make it clear she's very powerful.
King hasn't been suggested to be closer to Kaido than other subordinates are to their Captains. He's the de facto Vice Captain, but he hasn't even been portrayed as being superlative to Queen the way Kata was to Smoothie.
Sure, the Beast Pirates don't think Yamato is as strong as a Calamity. The Beast Pirates were wrong.
Yamato oneshot Ulti:
Sasaki was terrified when she bared her fangs at him:
Sasaki was shocked when she oneshot a Number:
It seems clear that the Beast Pirates simply greatly underestimated Yamato.
It may have also been the case that the explosive cuffs Yamato wore were laced with karouseki. Considering that there were also explosive karouseki cuffs in Udon and that Yamato is a Devil Fruit user, I think those cuffs were probably laced with karouseki.
So the Tobi Roppo were sent to apprehend a Yamato that:
- Could not use her Devil Fruit
- Was substantially weakened on top
No, Yamato has no known ceiling.
Her fight with Kaido is reason enough.
This is your headcanon and it's wrong.
The story requires her to fight Kaido.
Probably, but:
Luffy isn't arriving for a while.
Her fight with Kaido is reason enough.
This is your headcanon and it's wrong.
The story requires her to fight Kaido.
Probably, but:
- Luffy is unconscious and in a submarine below the seas surrounding Wano
- Onigashima is above the Wano mainland
- Onigashima is travelling towards the Flower Capital.
Luffy isn't arriving for a while.
My reply to Garp:
The Tobi Roppo being sent after Yamato has no bearing on her power level when a nerfed Yamato oneshot one.
What "shit feats" does Yamato actually have?
Yamato has taken down all her opponents whenever she attacked them.
The only opponent she didn't defeat was Luffy, but that was because she wasn't actually fighting back against him:
And even then, despite being very impatient and pissed off, Post Udon G2/G3 Luffy could not overcome her:
So what are these "shit feats" that you speak of?
Oda has consistently depicted Yamato as a formidable fighter (going so far as to essentially use Luffy as a hypetool for her), while Brook was never treated in that way.
I don't think Brook is analogous to her at all (for this any many other reasons).
It was still enough to make it clear that he was above Pica.
I agree with this. But there's no meaning saying Yamato > King if she demonstrates the ability to clad her attacks in Haoshoku, or deflects a Thunder Bagua, or any other such displays that make it clear she's very powerful.
King hasn't been suggested to be closer to Kaido than other subordinates are to their Captains. He's the de facto Vice Captain, but he hasn't even been portrayed as being superlative to Queen the way Kata was to Smoothie.
Sure, the Beast Pirates don't think Yamato is as strong as a Calamity. The Beast Pirates were wrong.
Yamato oneshot Ulti:
Sasaki was terrified when she bared her fangs at him:
Sasaki was shocked when she oneshot a Number:
It seems clear that the Beast Pirates simply greatly underestimated Yamato.
It may have also been the case that the explosive cuffs Yamato wore were laced with karouseki. Considering that there were also explosive karouseki cuffs in Udon and that Yamato is a Devil Fruit user, I think those cuffs were probably laced with karouseki.
So the Tobi Roppo were sent to apprehend a Yamato that:
I don't think Brook is analogous to her at all (for this any many other reasons).
It was still enough to make it clear that he was above Pica.
I agree with this. But there's no meaning saying Yamato > King if she demonstrates the ability to clad her attacks in Haoshoku, or deflects a Thunder Bagua, or any other such displays that make it clear she's very powerful.
King hasn't been suggested to be closer to Kaido than other subordinates are to their Captains. He's the de facto Vice Captain, but he hasn't even been portrayed as being superlative to Queen the way Kata was to Smoothie.
Sure, the Beast Pirates don't think Yamato is as strong as a Calamity. The Beast Pirates were wrong.
Yamato oneshot Ulti:
Sasaki was terrified when she bared her fangs at him:
Sasaki was shocked when she oneshot a Number:
It seems clear that the Beast Pirates simply greatly underestimated Yamato.
It may have also been the case that the explosive cuffs Yamato wore were laced with karouseki. Considering that there were also explosive karouseki cuffs in Udon and that Yamato is a Devil Fruit user, I think those cuffs were probably laced with karouseki.
So the Tobi Roppo were sent to apprehend a Yamato that:
- Could not use her Devil Fruit
- Was substantially weakened on top
What "shit feats" does Yamato actually have?
Yamato has taken down all her opponents whenever she attacked them.
The only opponent she didn't defeat was Luffy, but that was because she wasn't actually fighting back against him:
And even then, despite being very impatient and pissed off, Post Udon G2/G3 Luffy could not overcome her:
So what are these "shit feats" that you speak of?
Manga already suggest she can't do that. It's implied that infusing things with supreme haki is a higher level of mastery than the one that allowed Luffy to remove Yamato's handcuffs
And Yamato didn't believe it was possible
And Yamato didn't believe it was possible
I don't interpret the scene that way. I don't think Kaido can necessarily use internal destruction. When Kaido uses Haoshoku, he always makes contact (while Luffy does not). The only time Kaido did not make contact was when he clashed with Luffy, but that was likely cause of Luffy's barrier.
So no, I don't think you need internal destruction COA to infuse things with Haoshoku. I don't think Kaido can use internal destruction COA.