News One Piece: Vivre Card (Data book)-Discussion Thread

[[No Name]]

Lmfao nothing there says Saint Shanks > mihawk.
Saint Shanks isn't pirate king.

But Luffy's goal Isn't becoming a better or stronger PK.
His goal is to become the 2nd PK.
What Is the obstacle to his dream, the ones he has to defeat and surpass to achieve It? Yonkos.
Zoro's goal is to become strongest swordsman, who is the obstacle to his dream, the one he has to defeat and surpass to achieve It? The current World's strongest swordsman, Mihawk.
It is the same thing.

 

[Tejas]

Photoshop as always

 

[HA001]

So Marco has the highest known bounty among commanders.

For now. Ben oden Ray etc will deffo be above. Maybe even king

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

So Marco has the highest known bounty among commanders.

def puts a dent in king beckman predictions for sure.

 

[RayanOO]

A ship and a crew better than yours

didnt know getting a better crew and ship than Saint Shanks makes him his benchmark
must have missed this

better crew than Saint Shanks the most impregnable crew amonst the yonkos is a goal
benchmark is still roger
which you have supplied with the panels
you really are terrible at this.

Saint Shanks is also Luffy role model, but he is also a benchmark. Not the only one, Roger and being PK, but still one.

Saint Shanks gave his hat to Luffy saying to keep it for him and only give him back when he will be a great pirate (like him). Saint Shanks also said multiple times either in MF or after Dressrosa or WCI that Luffy was not ready yet to meet him, not strong enough and not a real great pirate.

 

[HA001]

But Luffy's goal Isn't becoming a better or stronger PK.
His goal is to become the 2nd PK.
What Is the obstacle to his dream, the ones he has to defeat and surpass to achieve It? Yonkos.
Zoro's goal is to become strongest swordsman, who is the obstacle to his dream, the one he has to defeat and surpass to achieve It? The current World's strongest swordsman, Mihawk.
It is the same thing.

It's not the same thing. Roger beat no one to becoming pirate king.
Going to raftel makes luffy king. Saint Shanks is a swordsman mihawks vc outright says he's looking for the day a challenger (zoro) surpasses Saint Shanks. Zoro has to surpass Saint Shanks to reach the level required to fight mihawk.

 

[MarineHQ]

If King's bounty is between Queen-Marco then I'm pretty sure that Ben will be between 1.4-1.5

 

[[No Name]]

It's not the same thing. Roger beat no one to becoming pirate king

Because he was the only one aiming for that title, while now there are Yonkos.
The concept of the entire manga is literally Luffy defeating the 4 Yonkos and becoming PK, this was confirmed by Oda. This Is the original draft.

 

[HA001]

Because he was the only one aiming for that title, while now there are Yonkos.
The concept of the entire manga is literally Luffy defeating the 4 Yonkos and becoming PK, this was confirmed by Oda. This Is the original draft.

Even now he doesn't have to.
He got 2 rps. Without fighting any of them
He got closer to being pirate king after wci but he didn't beat big mom did he.

 

[Midnight Delight]

Looks like I was right about Wano Ninja being DF users

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

But Luffy's goal Isn't becoming a better or stronger PK.
His goal is to become the 2nd PK.
What Is the obstacle to his dream, the ones he has to defeat and surpass to achieve It? Yonkos.
Zoro's goal is to become strongest swordsman, who is the obstacle to his dream, the one he has to defeat and surpass to achieve It? The current World's strongest swordsman, Mihawk.
It is the same thing.

zoro's goal by this logic would require him to become the 2nd wss
for luffy to become the next one again
he simply has to surpass roger

whats not connecting.
perhaps because the pk title isnt earned by simply beating the prev one
does that help you? lol

Saint Shanks is also Luffy role model, but he is also a benchmark. Not the only one, Roger and being PK, but still one.

Saint Shanks gave his hat to Luffy saying to keep it for him and only give him back when he will be a great pirate (like him). Saint Shanks also said multiple times either in MF or after Dressrosa or WCI that Luffy was not ready yet to meet him, not strong enough and not a real great pirate.

and according to Saint Shanks
after katakuri its pretty damn close
yet we got to kaido and we see how far he is from him
much less the pirate king which has the task of not only tupling the pirate world but also the world government. roger failed to do that.

stop making it more than it is . Saint Shanks is his inspiration for becoming a pirate does not make Saint Shanks his mihawk equivalent. luffy isnt working towards simply surpassing Saint Shanks , his eyes are set much higher.
thats the point.

 

[[No Name]]

Even now he doesn't have to.
He got 2 rps. Without fighting any of them
He got closer to being pirate king after wci but he didn't beat big mom did he.

But he will.

 

[God Buggy]

If King's bounty is between Queen-Marco then I'm pretty sure that Ben will be between 1.4-1.5

For someone who is not far behind admirals/yonko (I think he gives them high diff) and whose presence was said to be comparable to Saint Shanks, 1.4/1.5 is...meh.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

For now. Ben oden Ray etc will deffo be above. Maybe even king

I doubt Luffy would be given the 5th emperor epithet if there were a currently operating commander with a bounty higher than him. Thus I think Beckman's bounty is probably 1.4-1.5 billion. Rayleigh and Oden will definitely be higher tho.

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If King's bounty is between Queen-Marco then I'm pretty sure that Ben will be between 1.4-1.5

this

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

If King's bounty is between Queen-Marco then I'm pretty sure that Ben will be between 1.4-1.5

yeah one important distinction is brannew said high average bounty
its possible all three Saint Shanks commanders have above 1.2 but still less than 1.5
willing to close the book on this one.

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For someone who is not far behind admirals/yonko (I think he gives them high diff) and whose presence was said to be comparable to Saint Shanks, 1.4/1.5 is...meh.

what do you expect it to be.

 

[Master OF Haki]

Rayleigh and Oden will definitely be higher tho.

Obviously, they knew/know the entire history of the world, that by itself is worth 1bill + both of them were part of Roger's crew, so that also adds to their overall bounty, and finally Oden mid diffed Kaido.

 

[God Buggy]

what do you expect it to be.

Not more than BB, but 1.7/1.9 (or even two) wouldn't have been bad.

 

[[No Name]]

Luffy EOS will have Ace as a sword and he'll use it just like Roger. Mark these words.

 

[HA001]

Young Whitebeard's bounty is marked as his closing bounty
So it implies that him at 48 is not yet worth 5 billion


Animals
Coby- dolphin
Blackbeard- hippo
WB- white whale
Marco- Phoenix
Roger- quokka
Buggy- panda
Saint Shanks- lion

Wtf is a quokka

 

[RayanOO]

after katakuri its pretty damn close
yet we got to kaido and we see how far he is from him

We all know how Shonen work, one day Luffy is not close to beating someone and 2 weeks later he can kick his ass. So Luffy not being close to Kaido now doesn't really mean something.

much less the pirate king which has the task of not only tupling the pirate world but also the world government. roger failed to do that.

Yeah we all know Luffy will even surpass what ROger accomplished and will take down the WG/Imu. Luffy will be THE ONE, and will surpass everyone. At that point Luffy real goal is being the new Joyboy, being "only" Pk is trivialized for a part.

stop making it more than it is . Saint Shanks is his inspiration for becoming a pirate does not make Saint Shanks his mihawk equivalent. luffy isnt working towards simply surpassing Saint Shanks , his eyes are set much higher.
thats the point.

My point was saying that Saint Shanks was indeed a benchmark. Luffy has multiple ones and Saint Shanks is one of them.

And we still don't know anything about Saint Shanks, his goal, what he wants etc. Saint Shanks doesn't want to be PK so yeah Luffy vs Saint Shanks for PK title won't happen, so Mihawk/Zoro relationship is quite different than Saint Shanks/Luffy relationship.

And PK title is harder to achieve than WSS.

Luffy needs to equal Roger acheivement to be PK, and needs to surpass him to save the world after that.