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Lmfao nothing there says shanks > mihawk.
Shanks isn't pirate king.
But Luffy's goal Isn't becoming a better or stronger PK.
His goal is to become the 2nd PK.
What Is the obstacle to his dream, the ones he has to defeat and surpass to achieve It? Yonkos.
Zoro's goal is to become strongest swordsman, who is the obstacle to his dream, the one he has to defeat and surpass to achieve It? The current World's strongest swordsman, Mihawk.
It is the same thing.
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
A ship and a crew better than yours

didnt know getting a better crew and ship than shanks makes him his benchmark
must have missed this




better crew than shanks the most impregnable crew amonst the yonkos is a goal
benchmark is still roger
which you have supplied with the panels
you really are terrible at this.
Shanks is also Luffy role model, but he is also a benchmark. Not the only one, Roger and being PK, but still one.

Shanks gave his hat to Luffy saying to keep it for him and only give him back when he will be a great pirate (like him). Shanks also said multiple times either in MF or after Dressrosa or WCI that Luffy was not ready yet to meet him, not strong enough and not a real great pirate.

 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
But Luffy's goal Isn't becoming a better or stronger PK.
His goal is to become the 2nd PK.
What Is the obstacle to his dream, the ones he has to defeat and surpass to achieve It? Yonkos.
Zoro's goal is to become strongest swordsman, who is the obstacle to his dream, the one he has to defeat and surpass to achieve It? The current World's strongest swordsman, Mihawk.
It is the same thing.
It's not the same thing. Roger beat no one to becoming pirate king.
Going to raftel makes luffy king. Shanks is a swordsman mihawks vc outright says he's looking for the day a challenger (zoro) surpasses shanks. Zoro has to surpass shanks to reach the level required to fight mihawk.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Because he was the only one aiming for that title, while now there are Yonkos.
The concept of the entire manga is literally Luffy defeating the 4 Yonkos and becoming PK, this was confirmed by Oda. This Is the original draft.
Even now he doesn't have to.
He got 2 rps. Without fighting any of them
He got closer to being pirate king after wci but he didn't beat big mom did he.
 
But Luffy's goal Isn't becoming a better or stronger PK.
His goal is to become the 2nd PK.
What Is the obstacle to his dream, the ones he has to defeat and surpass to achieve It? Yonkos.
Zoro's goal is to become strongest swordsman, who is the obstacle to his dream, the one he has to defeat and surpass to achieve It? The current World's strongest swordsman, Mihawk.
It is the same thing.
zoro's goal by this logic would require him to become the 2nd wss
for luffy to become the next one again
he simply has to surpass roger

whats not connecting.
perhaps because the pk title isnt earned by simply beating the prev one
does that help you? lol
Shanks is also Luffy role model, but he is also a benchmark. Not the only one, Roger and being PK, but still one.

Shanks gave his hat to Luffy saying to keep it for him and only give him back when he will be a great pirate (like him). Shanks also said multiple times either in MF or after Dressrosa or WCI that Luffy was not ready yet to meet him, not strong enough and not a real great pirate.

and according to shanks
after katakuri its pretty damn close
yet we got to kaido and we see how far he is from him
much less the pirate king which has the task of not only tupling the pirate world but also the world government. roger failed to do that.

stop making it more than it is . shanks is his inspiration for becoming a pirate does not make shanks his mihawk equivalent. luffy isnt working towards simply surpassing shanks , his eyes are set much higher.
thats the point.
 
For now. Ben oden Ray etc will deffo be above. Maybe even king
I doubt Luffy would be given the 5th emperor epithet if there were a currently operating commander with a bounty higher than him. Thus I think Beckman's bounty is probably 1.4-1.5 billion. Rayleigh and Oden will definitely be higher tho.
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If King's bounty is between Queen-Marco then I'm pretty sure that Ben will be between 1.4-1.5
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If King's bounty is between Queen-Marco then I'm pretty sure that Ben will be between 1.4-1.5
yeah one important distinction is brannew said high average bounty
its possible all three shanks commanders have above 1.2 but still less than 1.5
willing to close the book on this one.
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For someone who is not far behind admirals/yonko (I think he gives them high diff) and whose presence was said to be comparable to Shanks, 1.4/1.5 is...meh.
what do you expect it to be.
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
after katakuri its pretty damn close
yet we got to kaido and we see how far he is from him
We all know how Shonen work, one day Luffy is not close to beating someone and 2 weeks later he can kick his ass. So Luffy not being close to Kaido now doesn't really mean something.

much less the pirate king which has the task of not only tupling the pirate world but also the world government. roger failed to do that.
Yeah we all know Luffy will even surpass what ROger accomplished and will take down the WG/Imu. Luffy will be THE ONE, and will surpass everyone. At that point Luffy real goal is being the new Joyboy, being "only" Pk is trivialized for a part.

stop making it more than it is . shanks is his inspiration for becoming a pirate does not make shanks his mihawk equivalent. luffy isnt working towards simply surpassing shanks , his eyes are set much higher.
thats the point.
My point was saying that Shanks was indeed a benchmark. Luffy has multiple ones and Shanks is one of them.

And we still don't know anything about Shanks, his goal, what he wants etc. Shanks doesn't want to be PK so yeah Luffy vs Shanks for PK title won't happen, so Mihawk/Zoro relationship is quite different than Shanks/Luffy relationship.

And PK title is harder to achieve than WSS.

Luffy needs to equal Roger acheivement to be PK, and needs to surpass him to save the world after that.
 
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