Zoro's position in the Strawhat crew


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I'm not changing anything. We know enma is making it harder for him to control his haki so that sword is that is the problem.

Regardless of what you want to believe, Zoro used less haki or power against Kaido than he used against Pica golem and the dragon. That still prove me right. He wasn't using enough of his power to cut Kaido, only enough to bruise him. He always had that power.

The Scabbards went from being unable to cut Kaido while giving it their all to cutting him. That showed growth during battle.

Zoro went from using too little power, which could be some or no haki, to using more than enough to cut him.
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Kaido needs barrier ryuo to cut through.
Zoro didn't have fully fledged barrier ryuo till this arc, the same as Luffy. That was the point of Zoro training with Enma in the first place, to make it more difficult and force Zoro to flow his haki correctly and Zoro saying that HE would be far stronger once he learned how to control Enma.

It is incredibly insulting to Kaido, (and Luffy) to allege Zoro using "more" haki on Pica, was a decisive factor.
Pica comparitively has trash durability, Kaido could withstand the brute force of elephant gattling and g4, and it was clearly explained by Luffy that barrier haki was required to bypass his scales. Killer has good CoA, but no ryuo, hence his shock at Zoro being able to cut through Kaido's scales.

Ryuo doesn't require hardening (or Oda is inconsistent in drawing hardening) -> Luffy in chapter 986 when he removes Yamato's cuffs.
 

Back when he was "stifling his spear".

If Sanji stayed at Baratie he'd be one of the "many" CoC users that fail to reach their potential and remain dormant.

The Zoro scene happens before the panels are provided. The panels i provided are the conclusion



Thanks for posting it. Basically that same arc zeff tells sanji to learn from luffy . People use sanji saying abandon your ambitions . Zoro basically did that infront of kuma. Luffy did that when he said he can't become pk without sanji .
 
Sanji is strong-willed and follows his dream but so does every other SH
No we just saw it now as chopper was about to give up everything cos he thought luffy was dead. Whiles even when sanji left the shs he never had his sights off his goal. He basically tells luffy with bmp I have a better chance of reaching my dream .
 
Making it difficult and not using haki are two different things clown . Even from the onset enma is stealing zoros haki. So all he is doing is controlling the amount being stolen . Once again i repeat stop with the horrendous lies . It won't get you nowhere . There is no single time on the roof zoro did not use haki . Infact kid makes it clear even with haki damaging kaido is difficult and zoro himself witnessed what was needed to even damage kaido in the slightest when luffy used ryou .
Let me make something very clear to you and all your little hater buddies and friends. Insults doesn't mean anything to me. It doesn't make you smarter. It doesn't win arguments. It is pathetic.

I provided scene showing Zoro using no haki. Enma is a dangerous sword because it can cause you to use too much haki. It's better to use two little or no haki and still have enough haki the fight then you use too much and put yourself in a bad position. He wasn't using any. If Oda wanted to show him using haki he would have.

This whole statement just telling us that he need to use haki and enma it's a sword that's holding him back since he hasn't learn how to fully control it yet.
 
- Luffy travels with momonuske to the top of Onigashima to face against Kaido.

- Cut to robin and black maria's battle, black maria uses illusions to trick robin and brook

Robin see's her mother and brook sees his time in the rumbar pirates batteling armored guards

- Monomuske shows luffy something in kaido's bible and Luffy says "i understand now what must be done"

cut back to robin. Robin watches brook's illusion and bears witness to an incident. upon seeing it her face is in utter shock!!

-Robin replies with "Your??

-Brook: I would have done everything to keep my identity a secret, but now you have seen it. Its to late now!

This is fake, right?
Sounds so fake lmfao
 
Let me make something very clear to you and all your little hater buddies and friends. Insults doesn't mean anything to me. It doesn't make you smarter. It doesn't win arguments. It is pathetic.

I provided scene showing Zoro using no haki. Enma is a dangerous sword because it can cause you to use too much haki. It's better to use two little or no haki and still have enough haki the fight then you use too much and put yourself in a bad position. He wasn't using any. If Oda wanted to show him using haki he would have.

This whole statement just telling us that he need to use haki and enma it's a sword that's holding him back since he hasn't learn how to fully control it yet.
No the very moment you hold on to enma its starts sucking your haki . Your learn to control it by making your haki flow. Even in the anime as zoro trains with enma we see him suffering . And as I stated the hitenbiryou homurasaki is a haki based attack and zoro did not need to coat his swords. Your lying ass is telling me, zoro who had his swords not coated, against a dragon which was said to be less tougher than the one brook and kinemon cut is, is using haki there. But your same lil pea brain is telling you he is not using haki against kaido
. Someone luffy in g4 with haki could not hurt . And you think the attack on the dragon is stronger than what g4 luffy did ? Lemme ask you this can brook cut kaido?
you think you are making an argument here . It is pitiful..stop embarrassing yourself.
 
Show me a panel of zeff saying that i bet this whole forum wants to see it
Zeff said Sanji has the same spear of Conviction as Luffy. Except he does not use it. Sanjis goal intertwine with Luffys in every single way.

- Had a benefactor that sacrificed a limb
- Went through the emotional trauma of a death at young age
- Dreams intertwine, Luffy completes sanjis dream.

However, good for us that Sanji is dying and won’t make it
:cheers:
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- Luffy travels with momonuske to the top of Onigashima to face against Kaido.

- Cut to robin and black maria's battle, black maria uses illusions to trick robin and brook

Robin see's her mother and brook sees his time in the rumbar pirates batteling armored guards

- Monomuske shows luffy something in kaido's bible and Luffy says "i understand now what must be done"

cut back to robin. Robin watches brook's illusion and bears witness to an incident. upon seeing it her face is in utter shock!!

-Robin replies with "Your??

-Brook: I would have done everything to keep my identity a secret, but now you have seen it. Its to late now!

This is fake, right?
NICE FANFIC
 
This is false. When Luffy hit rock bottom after Marineford Luffy actively stated that he could never be pirate king because he’s too weak.
I meant never in that arc specifically in that comment, but I disagree that chapter 590 was him giving up his dream.

He said I'm still to weak, not that I'll always be weak. He was frustrated and at rock bottom, but he didn't give up being the pirate king at that point.
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No he trusted is something else . In that moment he had abandoned his ambition cos there was no telling sanji was ever gonna come back. And luffy had no future sight
No, Luffy was the immovable force.
I refuse your refusal, basically was what Luffy was saying, as he has before.
There was no internal monologue of doubt that Sanji would return, Luffy has absolute faith in his Nakama.
 
Kaido needs barrier ryuo to cut through.
Zoro didn't have fully fledged barrier ryuo till this arc, the same as Luffy. That was the point of Zoro training with Enma in the first place, to make it more difficult and force Zoro to flow his haki correctly and Zoro saying that HE would be far stronger once he learned how to control Enma.

It is incredibly insulting to Kaido, (and Luffy) to allege Zoro using "more" haki on Pica, was a decisive factor.
Pica comparitively has trash durability, Kaido could withstand the brute force of elephant gattling and g4, and it was clearly explained by Luffy that barrier haki was required to bypass his scales. Killer has good CoA, but no ryuo, hence his shock at Zoro being able to cut through Kaido's scales.

Ryuo doesn't require hardening (or Oda is inconsistent in drawing hardening) -> Luffy in chapter 986 when he removes Yamato's cuffs.
Barrier haki and flowing haki are the same. To coat a weapon the user must know barrier haki.

The purpose to Zoro's training was to help him improve his ability to control large amounts of haki. That's why the very first thing we saw was him cutting a cliff with large amounts of haki only using the physical strength needed to cut a tree. Zoro growth will come from being able to control large amounts of haki easier and improving his over all haki control.

There was nothing wrong with Zoro's ability to flow haki. In fact, Zoro what's the first one to show us it's possible to flow haki from a weapon back into a user's body.

I'm talking about Pica's haki.

True haki or ryu can be invisible but whenever we see Zoro seriously use haki Oda makes it black.

No the very moment you hold on to enma its starts sucking your haki . Your learn to control it by making your haki flow. Even in the anime as zoro trains with enma we see him suffering . And as I stated the hitenbiryou homurasaki is a haki based attack and zoro did not need to coat his swords. Your lying ass is telling me, zoro who had his swords not coated, against a dragon which was said to be less tougher than the one brook and kinemon cut is, is using haki there. But your same lil pea brain is telling you he is not using haki against kaido
. Someone luffy in g4 with haki could not hurt . And you think the attack on the dragon is stronger than what g4 luffy did ? Lemme ask you this can brook cut kaido?
you think you are making an argument here . It is pitiful..stop embarrassing yourself.
Enma doesn't drain hali from someone just holding the sword. It only comes when they use it. By the time Zoro reached the island he had enough control over enma that it wouldn't drain his haki if you wasn't trying to use haki. We saw that when he was training with the sword and at the beginning of the war when he was fighting fodders, Drake and Apoo.
 
I meant never in that arc specifically in that comment, but I disagree that chapter 590 was him giving up his dream.

He said I'm still to weak, not that I'll always be weak. He was frustrated and at rock bottom, but he didn't give up being the pirate king at that point.
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No, Luffy was the immovable force.
I refuse your refusal, basically was what Luffy was saying, as he has before.
There was no internal monologue of doubt that Sanji would return, Luffy has absolute faith in his Nakama.
Wrong luffy does not always have faith in his nakama. This is reflected in wano when he attacks kaido attacks the mountain and he becomes rusty . Same in wano upon interacting with kinemon he basically assumes zoro has being useless. Once again luffy trust his crew mate in a lot of things but there are moments of doubt .
 
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