Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1021 Spoilers Discussion

[vikas]

- At the end of the chapter, Momonosuke asks Shinobu to use her "Juku Juku no Jutsu" to turn him into an adult.

I wonder if, oda will make him permanently old. Literal kid in adults body.

 

[yamoden]

Wano law > doflamingo

"Kaido: joker you are to weak "



Wano robin > dressrosa robin
Manga fact

 

[bennbeckman]

yeah i said it was believable. i still think its bad writing from oda if he ends up growing up suddenly.

Lets say Shinobu's fruit gives Momo this unreal Haki skill, it would be the worst plot armor and destroy OP

This is putting aside the SvZ shit we go through every week

 

[Paperchampion23]

I wonder if, oda will make him permanently old.

Her powers don't reverse. She ages things

 

[vikas]

Her powers don't reverse. She ages things

But the effects could be temporary... I mean nothing stopping her to be like Bonney or sugar if its permanent....... why did she not use it on Kaido and just make him an old fart.

 

[JerAx]

No never, he is fine for his purpose.

what purpose?to be a centerpiece of a rebelion? to have him grow and fit his fathers shoes? A teen would fit that better lol

oden was introduce as a 18yo with all his feats,
wouldt it be a better if momo was close to that age without any similar accomplishment to oden?

I would say so

 

[ConquistadoR]

no actually I fully expect time chamber to be a thing since he introduced time fruit.

that isnt how oda writes tbh. the time travel part filled that void for me in this arc. having momo turn into walmart kozuki oden isnt the play right now IMO.

 

[SanjiMasterchef]

Momo litterally sacrificing his youth to fight Kaido and yall keep complaining smh

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

i think momo as a kid in an adults body could be weird but appropriate in a weird way? oden was like an adult in a kids body

 

[bennbeckman]

Unless, once again, her ability is maturing stuff that would get there in the first place, meaning a sort of time travel.

Like, let´s say Momo would have done that in the next 10 years, training and so on, maybe her ability is to mature stuff to what they would get do eventually.

Again not plausible, this is not dragonball Z and the hyperbolic time chamber where 1 day is a year of training.

Shinobu's fruit isnt going to magically increase Momo's skills as a swordsman that's not even how maturity would work. If it somehow does, WORST thing that happened in OP and WORST Plot Armor

I would rather see Sanji fight Kaido and Zoro fight Queen

 

[ConquistadoR]

oden was introduce as a 18yo with all his feats,

oden was visiting pleasure houses at 6 years old. momo is 8 right now biologically. they are not the same and thats one of the main themes of this arc

 

[JerAx]

that isnt how oda writes tbh. the time travel part filled that void for me in this arc. having momo turn into walmart kozuki oden isnt the play right now IMO.

he would do anything he can get away with to tribute his favorite manga and his biggest influence.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Lets say Shinobu's fruit gives Momo this unreal Haki skill, it would be the worst plot armor and destroy OP

This is putting aside the SvZ shit we go through every week

If Momo just gets older (i.e. just physically stronger via being a 28 year old man) and has a much larger Dragon form, then its not really an issue imo.

He still shouldn't be that good with swordsmanship, Zoro only taught him for a few weeks, but it should be enough to defeat orochi if needed.

Aging shouldn't be the issue, but obtaining actual powerups would be silly. He should still be an immature pervert too lol.

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

so its almost turning it around where instead of oden being exactly the man he died as from birth, momo has to grow up and learn to be a man while he's already an adult

 

[vikas]

Now tama can become an adult and join SHs to counter those who used age as an argument against her

 

[draganax]

She was protecting Rebecca.

and that doesn't mean she can't use haki to protect herself!
she could harden the flowers that's covering them for all i care, just give us a hint that she can use it.
if the flashback was in wano, i won't mind, but we saw her interactions with sabo, coala and haki in dressrosa, and non of them discussed haki, so the flashback only happened during the timeskip, and that means that she learned haki since then, and oda chose to cheaply hide it just to reveal it in a nonsensical manner.

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Again not plausible, this is not dragonball Z and the hyperbolic time chamber where 1 day is a year of training.

Shinobu's fruit isnt going to magically increase Momo's skills as a swordsman that's not even how maturity would work. If it somehow does, WORST thing that happened in OP and WORST Plot Armor

I would rather see Sanji fight Kaido and Zoro fight Queen

Why is this not DBZ?

Still not reading what i said.
It is not increasing Momo´s skills, it updates Momo´s skills to what it would be in 10 years.

 

[PuckTheGreat]

This is what I have been trying to argue this whole time. It's the most reasonable. You dont magically gain swordsmanship or haki without training them, and shinobu's power doesnt skip that process

In all honesty Shinobu's power is the mature mature fruit, it's basically a variant of "Time Time" Fruit only that you can only go forward in time. If you think about what she's done till now, it makes sense. For instance making handcuffs rust. Metal rusts over time, Shinobu just hastens that process. So if Momo gets older (let's say by 20 years), he'd be as strong as he would have been if he kept training for 20 years. So I wouldn't put Haki off the table tbh

 

[ConquistadoR]

he would do anything he can get away with to tribute his favorite manga and his biggest influence.

he already did enough. this is just bad writing if we get a walmart kozuki oden lol

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

If Momo just gets older (i.e. just physically stronger via being a 28 year old man) and has a much larger Dragon form, then its not really an issue imo.

He still shouldn't be that good with swordsmanship, Zoro only taught him for a few weeks, but it should be enough to defeat orochi if needed.

Aging shouldn't be the issue, but obtaining actual powerups would be silly. He should still be an immature pervert too lol.

yeah theres no reason he'd be maturing as a person, or getting better sword skill or anything. i think this is just momo wanting to be a dragon on the same level, maybe this way he can actually catch the island and stop it from falling with flame clouds