Spoiler One Piece Chapter 968 Spoilers Discussion

[Tyki_Mikk]

Actually this makes many sense.
Toki kept saying to Kuri people about Oden's adventures, so she might mentioned the name of Whitebeard and Roger. Kaido, being a former member of Rocks, already knew these people and had a sudden anxiety.

But then Oden came back alone, without any Roger or Whitebeard Pirates with him, and Kaido was like "lol idiot".

It would make totally sense for Kaido, he is even after all not dumb enough to risk a war with Roger or Whitebeard or both in sametime, he know it would be the end of him and his crew. So most like he stop attacking kuri because of it.

But again with the current timeline, let say Kaido didn´t appear in next chapter and Oden take the control back of Orochi for another 4 years, why would Kaido still wait so long?

This is still a mystery. So Oden's death is supposed to happen 4 years later right?
Right now, readers who don't remember that detail must have thought "Oden will be killed not long after this. This is hours before the big tragedy." But actually, his death will only happen 4 years later?

The thing is that Momonusuke and Hiyori was still fine when we see them in the flashback in their older years, also Kuri was still fine.
If Oden get defeat in next chapter, who holds Kaido and orochi for four years until they attack Kuri and Momo? We know the attack to the castle happen 20years ago, right now we are 24years ago in the flashback. Also Kinemon didn´t even mentioned something about Oden was caputered for years or something, in Kinemon words all the events happen not very long ago:

All the event about Oden, his lose and executed wasn´t mere months judging by Kinemon words, so Oden can´t be defeated right now in the flashback 24 years ago, he most like get defeated outside of Flower capital(It was said he was taken to the flower capital which means he fought Kaido in Kuri or in other region of Wano, in the current flashback when he attack Oden he was in flower capital) 20years ago and killed/executed their in flower capital.

So why Kaido then wait four whole years until making his move, I hope we get the answer in the next chapter/s...

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Luffy and Zoro were surprised to see a flying crocodile not by Sanji's kick cause after that it's when they saw Sanji

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

The scale of the attacks and the reactions make it non comparable

Sanji was way weaker than Zoro when they performed their respective attacks, so of course the scales aren't comparable. And in terms of the reactions, in both scenes we have people sweating and open-mouthed. Even Usopp crying for both Zoro and Sanji (plus Luffy in the latter's case).

Not only that, but Sanji impresses three guys (two of them reacting in a very expressive way) that are as strong and/or stronger than him, while Zoro's attack is only reacted by people weaker than him. So, if they in fact are non comparable it is in Sanji's benefit, who actually got to impress someone of merit.

 

[ZoroGang]

Sanji was way weaker than Zoro when they performed their respective attacks, so of course the scales aren't comparable. And in terms of the reactions, in both scenes we have people sweating and open-mouthed. Even Usopp crying for both Zoro and Sanji (plus Luffy in the latter's case).

Not only that, but Sanji impresses three guys (two of them reacting in a very expressive way) that are as strong and/or stronger than him, while Zoro's attack is only reacted by people weaker than him. So, if they in fact are non comparable it is in Sanji's benefit, who actually got to impress someone of merit.

Zoro impressed two scabbards who were there to witness odens exploits in his prime
Also viola who is a underling of doflamingo and knows his strength
Also kyros a undefeated swordsman
King elizabello who is said to have a punch that can floor a yonko
You don’t know what you’re talking about buddy. Quit while you’re at it

 

[Topi Jerami]

It would make totally sense for Kaido, he is even after all not dumb enough to risk a war with Roger or Whitebeard or both in sametime, he know it would be the end of him and his crew. So most like he stop attacking kuri because of it.

But again with the current timeline, let say Kaido didn´t appear in next chapter and Oden take the control back of Orochi for another 4 years, why would Kaido still wait so long?



The thing is that Momonusuke and Hiyori was still fine when we see them in the flashback in their older years, also Kuri was still fine.
If Oden get defeat in next chapter, who holds Kaido and orochi for four years until they attack Kuri and Momo? We know the attack to the castle happen 20years ago, right now we are 24years ago in the flashback. Also Kinemon didn´t even mentioned something about Oden was caputered for years or something, in Kinemon words all the events happen not very long ago:

All the event about Oden, his lose and executed wasn´t mere months judging by Kinemon words, so Oden can´t be defeated right now in the flashback 24 years ago, he most like get defeated outside of Flower capital(It was said he was taken to the flower capital which means he fought Kaido in Kuri or in other region of Wano, in the current flashback when he attack Oden he was in flower capital) 20years ago and killed/executed their in flower capital.

So why Kaido then wait four whole years until making his move, I hope we get the answer in the next chapter/s...

Not sure, maybe Kaido was busy with Moria back then? Kaido wasn't actually seen in Wano as well in this chapter, and they only said "Orochi has Kaido backing him up".
Maybe that time, Kaido and his powerful crew still sailing in sea and still hadn't stayed in Wano like right now? And he only left a bit of his troops in Wano?

So, by 24 years ago Oden attacked Flower Capital, it's only against Orochi's troops and no named fodders from Beast Pirates. No Kaido and his heavy hitters there. Then Oden won. But somehow Orochi survived or was spared, and the happy life of Oden and retainers continued again, at least for 4 years. Orochi blabbering "you will anger Kaido!!!" only reminds me with Ceasar that almost got punched by Luffy "you will anger Doflamingo!! You will anger Kaido!!" while both names he mentioned also weren't present in Punk Hazard.

And then it's only after 4 years later that Kaido came back to Wano, and kicked Oden's ass.

p.s.
I also hope Oden never defeated Oden right now (24 years ago), and prefer Kaido wasn't in Wano, so Kaido's hype won't be ruined.

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*you

odens

*Oden's

viola

*Viola

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*an

doflamingo

*Doflamingo

kyros

*Kyros

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*an

elizabello

*Elizabello

Correct me again and imma slap the shit outta yu

You better stfu before I call True God Moe to school you again as usual, dumbass.

 

[ZoroGang]

Not sure, maybe Kaido was busy with Moria back then? Kaido wasn't actually seen in Wano as well in this chapter, and they only said "Orochi has Kaido backing him up".
Maybe that time, Kaido and his powerful crew still sailing in sea and still hadn't stayed in Wano like right now? And he only left a bit of his troops in Wano?

So, by 24 years ago Oden attacked Flower Capital, it's only against Orochi's troops and no named fodders from Beast Pirates. No Kaido and his heavy hitters there. Then Oden won. But somehow Orochi survived or was spared, and the happy life of Oden and retainers continued again, at least for 4 years. Orochi blabbering "you will anger Kaido!!!" only reminds me with Ceasar that almost got punched by Luffy "you will anger Doflamingo!! You will anger Kaido!!" while both names he mentioned also weren't present in Punk Hazard.

And then it's only after 4 years later that Kaido came back to Wano, and kicked Oden's ass.

p.s.
I also hope Oden never defeated Oden right now (24 years ago), and prefer Kaido wasn't in Wano, so Kaido's hype won't be ruined.

Post automatically merged: Jan 18, 2020

*you


*Oden's


*Viola


*an


*Doflamingo


*Kyros


*an


*Elizabello


You better stfu before I call True God Moe to school you again as usual, dumbass.

I didn’t know you were part of moes “ I get no buns “ crew. Glad to know

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

Zoro impressed two scabbards who were there to witness odens exploits in his prime
Also viola who is a underling of doflamingo and knows his strength
Also kyros a undefeated swordsman
King elizabello who is said to have a punch that can floor a yonko
You don’t know what you’re talking about buddy. Quit while you’re at it

None of them are stronger than Zoro himself and many of your points don't even stand on their own (Kyros "an undefeated swordsman" in a country of weaklings, Elizabello "who is said to whatever people say*" but takes a lot of time to charge their punches, Viola "an underling of Doflamingo and knows his strength" even though their own crewmates thought him dead when a clone was beheaded, etc.).

Luffy has been raised by Garp and Smoker not only is a close friend of Kuzan but has been personally trained by Zephyr if we take his background as canon. On the other hand, unless Zoro was comparable to prime Oden in Dressrosa (even above already!), then it is assumable that Kin'emon and Kanjuro simply understand that two attacks can be impressive even if one is stronger than the other, especially if they are both above what they personally can do.

Unless you're only impressed by the highest standard you've ever witnessed and anything else under that but still above your own capabilities won't make you feel anything. Which is exactly what makes your point absurd. Which is way Kin'emon is amazed by Franky's radical beam in spite of witnessing Oden's prime.

I know what I'm talking about very well. You didn't type rocket science.

To summarize: two attacks that impress a crowd. Same faces. In one crowd everybody is arguably weaker than the attacker; in the other, it isn't the case. Both of them include people who have witnessed the strength of very powerful individuals, but only one includes confirmed top tiers (it's not like this is an actual, valid argument for obvious reasons). You can keep stretching this debate as much as you want, but you have no point. Sanji anti manner kick was impressive, it impressed the likes of Luffy, Zoro and Smoker, period. They aren't comparable because you don't want to see them as such.

*Luffy is now five meters tall, was it? He's said to be so, after all.

 

[Reign]

here you can find all the chapter

http://imgur.com/a/AiwJZng

in the korean scans, it's being written as "카이도의 주하들이" which means Kaido's men. There's no implication that Kaido himself went to the castle. Atleast, this time korean scanslations is ij sync with the spoilers we got.

so the sentence is : while we (some of the scabbards) were going to Orochi's castle, Orochi himself secretly sent Kaido's men to Kuri castle to kill Oden's son & Kozuki's next successor; Momonosuke-Sama!!. But the bandits were defeated by Kawamatsu and Inuarashi who stayed behind to protect the castle!!

 

[Zowo]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1218346675288170497

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Yeah this panel already reminded me of Zoro trying to kill Orochi

 

[BangOO🍅]

Im so hyped to see young kaido design.

 

[Reborn]

I understand the disappointment tbh.

I personally hope we find out exactly what Roger told his crew when he left them. Simply showing me a panel of Roger emotionally talking to Rayleigh while narration plays over it is not emotional. It just makes me feel like I’m missing out on the actual emotion. It’s the emotional equivalent of off paneling a battling.

Hearing Roger's exact words to his crew would be emotional, showing a panel of him saying something emotional but not writing the dialogue isn’t emotional, it’s lazy.

So I understand why some might be disappointed in this. But maybe we do actually get emotional dialogue between Roger and Rayleigh and I just missed it in the spoilers l

The disappointment you mentioned is different from what some other users have.

They are frustrated with the flashbacks itself for the sake of war.

Now, we all want to see war and would definitely enjoy the action and are hyped for it but that doesn't equate to flashbacks are disappointing.

If we simply consider how flashbacks oda has portrayed then it's great. As Larry said, the pacing was good, narration was on point and above all oda connected the past with the present story line very well which many mangaka fails miserably.


People can say they prefer to see war more than these flashbacks and it's alright as it's their preferences but justifying this by saying flashbacks are disappointing is absurd.

One more thing I like to add is no one can execute any idea perfectly. There would always be something missing.

Is flashback delivers on our all expectations? Nope. But does it fulfill it's purpose as far as plot and narration is concerned? Yes and very well infact.

Moving on to your disappointment, then I am neutral in this regard. If oda shows it then fine and if he doesn't then also fine.

But most likely he won't because a mangaka writes through his own perspective. Remember what zeff said to sanji when the latter turned to speak farewell during baratie arc? It's something like "men should leave without saying a word"

Considering how both Roger and Rayleigh turned without speaking much says it all. It reflects how difficult departing is. it reflects their pain. It reflects that they understand each other to the point that there isn't any need to go through some final words because it will broke them down further.

Sometimes a silence has more impact than few words.

But it's just me. I can understand why you want a dialogue and it's understandable.

 

[Hiragaro]

People actually compare OP to the likes of Naruto and FT? Tf.. Get that child of prophecy and friendship bullshit outta here man..

And Luffy is not one of them?

 

[Monet]

ch 968 chines better quality than the korean

https://one-piece.cn/post/10968/

 

[Fuckthis3]

People actually compare OP to the likes of Naruto and FT? Tf.. Get that child of prophecy and friendship bullshit outta here man..

Every anime got friendship power up some just dont go over the top with it

 

[Pantheos]

So some nice details from the chapter:

Buggy had his DF already in Rogers Crew.
Kairos presence in wano is already known.
Denjiro is outside of wano while the fight of Oden with kaido comes up (-> Denjiro = Koushirou)

 

[Reborn]

Denjiro is outside of wano while the fight of Oden with kaido comes up (-> Denjiro = Koushirou)

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Denjiro is outside of wano while the fight of Oden with kaido comes up (-> Denjiro = Koushirou)

Denjiro's not present at Oden's castle, but he's not outside Wano.

Lmao

 

[sanjikun]

The first scene we saw Denjiro in is a money fraud. It isn't farfetched to imagine him as a money thief that helps the poor, especially considering his job in this new chapter. Now, as I said it isn't farfetched either to say that Kyoshiro, Denjiro and the Witching Hour Boy are the same person following the money-night-sleepy train of themes.

He doesn't STEAL. He swindles. Do you understand the difference? Kyoshiro's title is money changer.

The witching hour moon boy is a ninja, who sneaks around. Denjiro is someone who is very competent at managing money and trading.

As an aside, I also love this comparison. In one he's training to protect Oden. In the other to protect Orochi, and calls himself his dog.

 

[Monet]

So some nice details from the chapter:

Kairos presence in wano is already known.