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[Erkan12]

BS.


WSS title is not limited to pirates. That's why it's called the World's Strongest Swordsman. Not the World's Strongest Pirate Swordsman (WSPS).

Not sure what's your point here.

I said mihawk is a pirate, and he is below Great Pirates in the pirate hierarchy.

mihawk could be WSS without being pirate, that's exactly what I said.

mihawk being a pirate only confirms that he is below Great Pirates. His WSS title is not enough to carry him to that level.

If you think Shanks or Big mom would lose their status as Great Pirates if they lost their crew then you are delusional. Great Pirate is an individual title, and which puts them above pirate mihawk.

 

[Uncle Van]

I don’t think you understand Oda’s writing style in the least bit. Oda’s not going to just chuck Mihawk’s name into the narrative for no storytelling value whatsoever, rather he’s going to hype the WSS title through swordsmen like Oden and Ryuma.

After 1000 chapters of Zoro fighting nobodies.

You seem to be under this misconception that WSS is a goal that people should be shouting from the rooftop, but that ain’t it.

Never even implied that but ok. How difficult is it to have ONE other person related to the title? Not ONE person chasing the title? Not ONE person who lost to Mihawk? 1000 chapters and not a single one.

If you take up swordsmanship, you are automatically competing for WSS, just as how all men automatically fall under Whitebeard’s title and don’t need to directly compete with him for it.

Would be nice if Oda actually showed people competing for the title at least once. Ain't counting the Okama fodder.

We were told that every swordsman dreams of facing the WSS, but 500 chapters after that being said, we got nothing.

Mihawk will get his hype when it’s time, all of this started with you making yourself look stupid when you said that Oda doesn’t give swordsmanship any relevancy. Even dumber timing considering that Oda dedicated the entirety of last chapter to highlighting the kingly ambitions needed to be WSS and explaining the lore behind cursed swords.

Once again, how does Oda finally addressing some lore make up for the 1000 chapters of nothing?

Only very recently, huge chunks of the fandom took massive Ls because they couldn’t be patient and were too retarded to understand context clues and Oda’s setup. Big Mom hyping King’s race and King dealing with her crew single handedly? Fuck it, King must be useless since Oda left him be for a few chapters that weren’t even his fight. You seem to be falling into that exact same mindset, except there’s really no excuse to be doing that now. There’s a time and place to be info dumping about the WSS title, Mihawk and the sword god legacy. This ain’t it. The Yonko saga which has dominated the entirety of post TS also ain’t it. Maybe try reading about storytelling elements next time.

Again, what do the people who took massive Ls got to with me?

The story is about Luffy becoming the PK, and it became so Luffy centric that every other goal is taking the backseat. Oda sprinkled some yonko hype before the Yonko saga, he sprinkled some warlord hype(Mihawk was one of them mind you), and like 9 different Zoro fights with no attention being drawn to the WSS title.

For another example, we know there are bounty hunters but its world building is poor cause we never see them. We know there are people chasing the WSS title but never saw them for 1000 chapters.

 

[Malick the last Light]

I said mihawk is a pirate, and he is below Great Pirates in the pirate hierarchy.

Which is of course why the first thing Whitebeard mentions to Shanks upon metting him is how his duels with Mihawk were legendary.

And news flash, there is a REASON that Zoro did not have the goal of surpassing Shanks instead of Mihawk. Just be absolutely clear, it's not because Shanks is a "Hakiman" or any non-canon nonsense you and other downplayers have tried to push over the years. Its because Mihawk is stronger than Shanks.

 

[Finalbeta]

BS.


WSS title is not limited to pirates. That's why it's called the World's Strongest Swordsman. Not the World's Strongest Pirate Swordsman (WSPS).

According to Erkan every non Marine or non Government related individual is a Pirate

 

[JoNdule]

Which is of course why the first thing Whitebeard mentions to Shanks upon metting him is how his duels with Mihawk were legendary.

And news flash, there is a REASON that Zoro did not have the goal of surpassing Shanks instead of Mihawk. Just be absolutely clear, it's not because Shanks is a "Hakiman" or any non-canon nonsense you and other downplayers have tried to push over the years. Its because Mihawk is stronger than Shanks.

Great pirate> any pirate

Shanks is above Zoro's reach coz he's luffy milestone not Zoro's

 

[Erkan12]

Which is of course why the first thing Whitebeard mentions to Shanks upon metting him is how his duels with Mihawk were legendary.

He never said that, almost %50 of the arguments that you guys produced is based on lies.

WB says it's so old that people consider ''many'' of those things as legends.

''Those 22 years passed by so fast... many consider them as legends. Even the duel between you and Hawkeye is still news to my ears''

''them'' here is that 22 years passed so fast, he considers that old time as ''legends'', not that specific duel between mihawk and pre-Yonko Shanks, he considers everything as legend in that past 22 years.

And news flash, there is a REASON that Zoro did not have the goal of surpassing Shanks instead of Mihawk. And just be absolutely clear it's not because Shanks is a "Hakiman" or any non-canon nonsense you and other downplayers have tried to push over the years.

Shanks is a great pirate, no need for Hakiman nonsense.

Great pirates > pirate mihawk,

It's that simple.

 

[сука]

Mihawk is fighting Eos Luffy/Blackbeard/Imu?

No, all three of those characters need to stay alive, for plot purposes

 

[nik87]

Acoc on Zoro hit them really hard...

 

[stormylife]

He never said that, almost %50 of the arguments that you guys produced is based on lies.

WB says it's so old that people consider ''many'' of those things as legends.

''Those 22 years passed by so fast... many consider them as legends. Even the duel between you and Hawkeye is still news to my ears''

''them'' here is that 22 years passed so fast, he considers that old time as ''legends'', not that specific duel between mihawk and pre-Yonko Shanks, he considers everything as legend in that past 22 years.


Shanks is a great pirate, no need for Hakiman nonsense.

Great pirates > pirate mihawk,

It's that simple.

great pirate Roger ranked up to Pk tier with oden's reading ability.. .. Other great pirates stayed as they are and cant rank up to Roger's empty throne bec of all of them lacking someone like oden or robin who can read shits .That tells much about your rotten agenda

 

[Den_Den_Mushi]

After 1000 chapters of Zoro fighting nobodies.

Why do people keep saying this???

Pica - was hyped as the most dangerous in the Doflamingo family and directly aimed to assassinate King Riku.

Hyouzou - was the strongest swordsman on Fishman Island

Monet - a Logia who got the better of Luffy in their brief encounter

Daz Bones - famous enough to be acknowledged by Mihawk and placed in Level 4

Kaku - was high ranking and talented enough within CP9 to be offered a promotion to CP0

Ryuma - Nuff said

Kamazou - Nuff said

Hawkins - Nuff said

They're only nobodies compared to Luffy's opponents, but to be fair, he's been fighting the world's major powers (warlords, admirals, commanders) for the entire story. How can anyone, be it Kid, or Law or Zoro compare?

How difficult is it to have ONE other person related to the title? Not ONE person chasing the title? Not ONE person who lost to Mihawk? 1000 chapters and not a single one.

And WHERE would this fit into the story? I've asked you three times and each time you've dodged the question. WHICH arc would you have this person be introduced and what relevance would they have to the plot at hand? Also, how fucking forced would it be for Zoro's antagonist to just randomly say 'oh hey btw I lost to Mihawk 10 years ago. Let's fight now'. Pretty much no one in the OP world knows about Zoro's connection to Mihawk.

Oda has a habit of leaving 100s and 100s of chapters between foreshadowings and hints. Germa was hinted at in fucking Jaya of all places, Christ on a cracker you'd think you'd be used to it by now. We already got the sword god hype relatively recently, with Zoro saying he will visit Ryuma's grave later. Just freaking wait lmfao, Oda clearly has plans for all this.

 

[Erkan12]

great pirate Roger ranked up to Pk tier with oden's reading ability.. .. Other great pirates stayed as they are and cant rank up to Roger's empty throne bec of all of them lacking someone like oden or robin who can read shits .That tells much about your rotten agenda

Roger fought the strongest pirate crew in the history, Rocks Pirates, (perhaps BB pirates will surpass them) and he won.

He was equal with Prime WB.

He made Prime Rayleigh his underling, and he was superior to him.

PK only possible via being a Great Pirate first, and that's being one of the strongest pirate in One Piece, mihawk is not even a Great Pirate so what he is saying is true;

Roger's level > surpassing mihawk's level > mihawk's level.

 

[Thabeast]

Only true Haki men can attain this prestigious power.

 

[stormylife]

Roger fought the strongest pirate crew in the history (perhaps BB pirates will surpass them) and he won.

He was equal with Prime WB.

PK only possible via being a Great Pirate first, and that's being the strongest pirate in One Piece.

Roger + his crew + garp etc etc fought with strongest crew ..When there are multiple great pirates ,, your claim of '' being the strongest pirate of One Piece '' already drowned.. I cant see any individual achievemnt at here as being wsm wsc or wss.. your great pirate agenda evolved to Pk with reading ability of outsider's help ....which simply shows it isnt totally individual achievement and need some extra stuffs.. stick on to another agenda .. its rotten as fuck

 

[Erkan12]

Roger + his crew + garp etc etc fought with strongest crew ..When there are multiple great pirates ,, your claim of '' being the strongest pirate of One Piece '' already drowned.. I cant see any individual achievemnt at here as being wsm wsc or wss.. your great pirate agenda evolved to Pk with reading ability of outsider's help ....which simply shows it isnt totally individual achievement and need some extra stuffs.. stick on to another agenda .. its rotten as fuck

mihawk was accepted as a Shichibukai due to his pirate career, not because he was WSS, WSS has nothing to do with being a pirate.

mihawk would be accepted as Great Pirate again, and no one cared about his crew, if he was strong enough.

Roger is a proven strongest guy in One Piece, had underlings like Prime Rayleigh, and fought equally with Prime WB and Xebec, was clearly superior to Oden, and ragdolled him with ease.

That's how powerful a Great Pirate is, look what he did to Oden, no one becoming PK without being Great Pirate first individually, that's also what mihawk meant when;

- he said surpassing himself is not enough to be on Roger's level
- he said he wanted to see the power difference with WB

Roger's level > surpassing mihawk's level > mihawk's level

 

[Uncle Van]

Why do people keep saying this???


Pica - was hyped as the most dangerous in the Doflamingo family and directly aimed to assassinate King Riku.

Not a swordsman
Nothing to do with the WSS title
Was an annoyance

Hyouzou - was the strongest swordsman on Fishman Island

A fodder clown
Nothing to do with the WSS title

Monet - a Logia who got the better of Luffy in their brief encounter

Not a swordsman
Nothing to do with the WSS title
Got embarrased

Daz Bones - famous enough to be acknowledged by Mihawk and placed in Level 4

Not a swordsman
Nothing to do with the WSS title
Got Zoro closer to his goal which is a good thing

Kaku - was high ranking and talented enough within CP9 to be offered a promotion to CP0

Is a swordsman finally
Nothing to do with the WSS title

Also forgot Braham and Ohm

Ryuma - Nuff said

First real duel

Kamazou - Nuff said

Questionable if he a swordsman
Nothing to do with the WSS title
Was a plot device to bring Hiyori to Zoro

Hawkins - Nuff said

Not a swordsman
Nothing to do with the WSS title
Was just a scuffle

And WHERE would this fit into the story? I've asked you three times and each time you've dodged the question. WHICH arc would you have this person be introduced and what relevance would they have to the plot at hand? Also, how fucking forced would it be for Zoro's antagonist to just randomly say 'oh hey btw I lost to Mihawk 10 years ago. Let's fight now'. Pretty much no one in the OP world knows about Zoro's connection to Mihawk.

Oda has a habit of leaving 100s and 100s of chapters between foreshadowings and hints. Germa was hinted at in fucking Jaya of all places, Christ on a cracker you'd think you'd be used to it by now. We already got the sword god hype relatively recently, with Zoro saying he will visit Ryuma's grave later. Just freaking wait lmfao, Oda clearly has plans for all this.

You using hindsight bias. How do you know how arcs would play out if Oda gave the WSS title some attention even once? We saw how arcs went, and you use that to claim Oda would half ass some WSS lore or portrayal into it.

Oda said WCI was supposed to be a short rescue arc but kept adding new ideas which made it too long so he had to axe it. Punk Hazard was supposed to be 2 islands and arcs but Oda combined them. Green Bit and Dressrosa was supposed to be 2 arcs and islands but Oda combined them.

As you can see, Oda's plans can change. He always has new ideas but for some reason, it doesn't include giving the WSS title some basic world building for 1000 chapters.

 

[stormylife]

mihawk was accepted as a Shichibukai due to his pirate career, not because he was WSS, WSS has nothing to do with being a pirate.

mihawk would be accepted as Great Pirate again, and no one cared about his crew, if he was strong enough.

Roger is a proven strongest guy in One Piece, had underlings like Prime Rayleigh, and fought equally with Prime WB and Xebec, was clearly superior to Oden, and ragdolled him with ease.

That's how powerful a Great Pirate is, look what he did to Oden, no one becoming PK without being Great Pirate first individually, that's also what mihawk meant when;

- he said surpassing himself is not enough to be on Roger's level
- he said he wanted to see the power difference with WB

Roger's level > surpassing mihawk's level > mihawk's level

Rotten af .. UCallin clashes equally with Wb , xebec and than sayin '' proven strongest guy '' .. u dont even know what u are trying to do..If multiple great pirates have Robin as Oden's replacement , all can be Pk. Ofc need individual power + crew power etc etc to become great pirate which has nothing to do with lone wolf mihawk and his individual superiority over whole swordsmen

 

[Malick the last Light]

Great pirate> any pirate

Shanks is above Zoro's reach coz he's luffy milestone not Zoro's

Oh quit bullshiting, this isn't an argument, and you damn well know so! Zoro set Mihawk as his goal when it was WAY beyond his ability at the time, and he doesn't do so with Shanks cause THATs too much for him? This sort of logic is awful, even by your standards Ndule.

 

[Zara]

No, all three of those characters need to stay alive, for plot purposes

sorry mate, but EoS Zoro will probably be the 4th strongest character in OP

EoS Luffy, Imu, and EoS Blackbeard will all be stronger

4th place isn't so bad, right?

 

[Den_Den_Mushi]

Not a swordsman
Nothing to do with the WSS title
Was an annoyance

A fodder clown
Nothing to do with the WSS title

Not a swordsman
Nothing to do with the WSS title
Got embarrased

Not a swordsman
Nothing to do with the WSS title
Got Zoro closer to his goal which is a good thing

Is a swordsman finally
Nothing to do with the WSS title

Also forgot Braham and Ohm

First real duel

Questionable if he a swordsman
Nothing to do with the WSS title
Was a plot device to bring Hiyori to Zoro

Not a swordsman
Nothing to do with the WSS title
Was just a scuffle

Now you're just moving the goalposts. Your original complaint was that they were nobodies (they are not), now you want them to have something to do with the WSS title. Why? As shown during Zoro vs King, even Zoro doesn't care if his opponent is a proper swordsman or not, and Zoro doesn't care how he beats his opponents. He just wants to get strong enough to beat Mihawk, how is this so hard to understand?

You using hindsight bias. How do you know how arcs would play out if Oda gave the WSS title some attention even once? We saw how arcs went, and you use that to claim Oda would half ass some WSS lore or portrayal into it.

Oda said WCI was supposed to be a short rescue arc but kept adding new ideas which made it too long so he had to axe it. Punk Hazard was supposed to be 2 islands and arcs but Oda combined them. Green Bit and Dressrosa was supposed to be 2 arcs and islands but Oda combined them.

As you can see, Oda's plans can change. He always has new ideas but for some reason, it doesn't include giving the WSS title some basic world building for 1000 chapters.

Ok, I'll ask a fourth time, since you seem hell-bent on not answering the question.

WHICH ARC DID YOU WANT ODA TO INSERT A WSS CONTENDER AND WHAT RELEVANCE WOULD SAID CHARACTER HAVE TO THE PLOT? HOW WOULD THIS SWORDSMAN PLOT FIT ANYWHERE OUTSIDE OF WANO?

Since the timeskip, One Piece has gone back to what it originally was intended to be, a showdown between the Yonko and Luffy. Everything else has been sucked into that plotline, with Oda only very recently turning his attention back to Zoro and Sanji. Oda doesn't need to spoonfeed his audience the importance of the WSS title. In the end, all that is required is Mihawk, and the hype he has/will receive in and out of canon. No one apparently wants to discover the truth about the Void Century (other than Robin), or become the World's Strongest Man. But does Oda seriously need to treat you like you're two years old and can't understand their importance?

 

[сука]

EoS Luffy, Imu, and EoS Blackbeard will all be stronger

Oda why did you spoil me?