Questions & Mysteries "My audience will not be satisfied if Luffy defeats Kaido just because his punch is so strong"-Eichirro Oda [Paraphrased]
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I think the solution Oda came up with was Penetration Haki. Problem is CoC coating completely overshadowed it, turning the fight into a run of the mill Luffy type brawl. It also doesn’t help that Oda had Kaido brush off Law’s gamma knife which works the same way penetration Haki does in theory. So yh, he’s pretty much contradicting himself with the way he’s written this fight.
AdvCoC I agree is the key to defeat Kaido, not advcoa which Luffy in chapter 1010 said everything he used from 1000 to 1010 was to shallow that include the penetration shit.
Anyway I bring up this point because during 1010 not only Luffy used advcoc but also Zoro (actually he used first than Luffy this new power) and was against Kaido.
I mean Oda is giving the same power that Luffy require to win the fight against Kaido to Zoro, why is that? Oda could have gone to a totally different route for Zoro (some new coa form or something else) but no bro, he clearly wanted that both Luffy&Zoro will get in the same chapter vs the same character the same power.
Luffy had 2 times to test his power, from 1010 to 1012 (around 10minutes) then drop in the ocean and right now.
Zoro used once vs Kaido unconscionly and fully embrace this power against King, (yet didnt get a second chance to use it on Kaido).
Does Oda prepare a second scenario for Zoro to use advcoc on Kaido? The question is super fair in you think how both Luffy&Zoro got this power.
I agree, even Luffy admitted in chapter 1010 that everything he used on Kaido was to shallow (advcoa is in this group). They key is advcoc, which Luffy&Zoro got in the same chapter.
no it wasnt, I dond have the VIC translation which sais shallow but also this one works:
This is Luffy in chapter 1010 after his KO, all attacks I tried, they are still not it.
Anyway I bring up this point because during 1010 not only Luffy used advcoc but also Zoro (actually he used first than Luffy this new power) and was against Kaido.
I mean Oda is giving the same power that Luffy require to win the fight against Kaido to Zoro, why is that? Oda could have gone to a totally different route for Zoro (some new coa form or something else) but no bro, he clearly wanted that both Luffy&Zoro will get in the same chapter vs the same character the same power.
Luffy had 2 times to test his power, from 1010 to 1012 (around 10minutes) then drop in the ocean and right now.
Zoro used once vs Kaido unconscionly and fully embrace this power against King, (yet didnt get a second chance to use it on Kaido).
Does Oda prepare a second scenario for Zoro to use advcoc on Kaido? The question is super fair in you think how both Luffy&Zoro got this power.
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I agree, even Luffy admitted in chapter 1010 that everything he used on Kaido was to shallow (advcoa is in this group). They key is advcoc, which Luffy&Zoro got in the same chapter.
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This was pretty much confirmed with this
This is Luffy in chapter 1010 after his KO, all attacks I tried, they are still not it.
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He let those fans down, who really think that OP is some kind of storywriting masterpiece.
It isn't.
It's your basic standard shonen manga.
As much as some stans will fume now, it's just the truth. It's not more sophisticated or better written than other big shonen titles like Naruto etc.
The other fans take OP for what it is: A fun read with quite a lot of storywriting issues and inconsistencies (has to be expected from a weekly shonen title).
It isn't.
It's your basic standard shonen manga.
As much as some stans will fume now, it's just the truth. It's not more sophisticated or better written than other big shonen titles like Naruto etc.
The other fans take OP for what it is: A fun read with quite a lot of storywriting issues and inconsistencies (has to be expected from a weekly shonen title).
I for one am fully satisfied by this… haki has always been the end all be all of combat in the post time skip
For example, if Luffy with all the advanced haki moves can’t beat Kaido, then how is Shanks supposed to beat Kaido? What about mihawk? What about Roger if he were to fight current Kaido? If Kaido is presented to be a monster that can’t be defeated by advanced haki, then that would mean he is above even fuckin Roger’s pay grade since that’s all Roger has
For example, if Luffy with all the advanced haki moves can’t beat Kaido, then how is Shanks supposed to beat Kaido? What about mihawk? What about Roger if he were to fight current Kaido? If Kaido is presented to be a monster that can’t be defeated by advanced haki, then that would mean he is above even fuckin Roger’s pay grade since that’s all Roger has
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What oda meant was
If luffy beat kaido 1vs1 from the start, it will be the most asspull plot in the entire manga, and some fans wont be satisfied
Excluding luffy, So far Kaido has fought
8 scabbard
4 supernova
And yamato + momo
While carrying an island
I think that is enough to weakened kaido
Also this wano arc is already long enough
It has to end somehow
If luffy beat kaido 1vs1 from the start, it will be the most asspull plot in the entire manga, and some fans wont be satisfied
Excluding luffy, So far Kaido has fought
8 scabbard
4 supernova
And yamato + momo
While carrying an island
I think that is enough to weakened kaido
Also this wano arc is already long enough
It has to end somehow
he is still using the super punch that Oda didnt want to use to finish off Kaido. Haki or not Luffy in chapter1036 is fighting in normal mode with huge punch, and they both having fun...........Oda I hope you have something better because Probably my audience will not be satisfied if the reason for defeating Kaidou is just because Luffy's punch is so strong. Luffy and I have to find a solution somehow will 100% happen. Kaido is so call the strongest creature in One Piece....none is superior to him. Do we end One Piece after this fight?.....what a mess for Oda really, he will have serious problem for future fight.
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Wouldn't put my money on Oda being that creative with CoC lol but Luffy's prolly already using some combination of the two types of Haki ^^. Penetration Haki just feels a bit redundant to me now given CoC coating by itself can hurt Kaido. Plus damage-wise, Oda's depiction of penetration type attacks on Kaido hasn't been great and that particular Haki is now secondary in this fight with main focus solely being on CoC coating.
If Oda stuck with Luffy using a technique like Penetration Haki to beat Kaido, it'd conform to what he said about Kaido not losing to Luffy simply coz Luffy's punch is "strong" as he'd have won with pure technique as opposed to overpowering Kaido with strength. Now, with CoC coating however it feels more like a slug fest that will result in the person that can hit harder and endure more winning the fight which is the normal pattern for Luffy fights.
Gamma Knife was like next to nothing even if it attacked Kaidou right?
...how about...Luffy can do Internal Destruction but with infused CoC? Like Rupture2 Fruit exploding Kaidou's brain from within, but purely made of AdvCoC zone? Imagine the power and gore
...how about...Luffy can do Internal Destruction but with infused CoC? Like Rupture2 Fruit exploding Kaidou's brain from within, but purely made of AdvCoC zone? Imagine the power and gore
If Oda stuck with Luffy using a technique like Penetration Haki to beat Kaido, it'd conform to what he said about Kaido not losing to Luffy simply coz Luffy's punch is "strong" as he'd have won with pure technique as opposed to overpowering Kaido with strength. Now, with CoC coating however it feels more like a slug fest that will result in the person that can hit harder and endure more winning the fight which is the normal pattern for Luffy fights.
Haki is the worst thing that ever happened to OP (at least in terms of a healthy and relatable powersystem).
Oda just completely buttraped his great original powersystem (DF users, brawlers, swordfighters, snipers) with it, because now the only thing that actually counts is how good your haki is.
It's basically a microcosm of Oda's and OP's entire problem: It started promising, went to great for a while and then somehow shat the bed along the way.
Happens in every arc these days (just look at those dreadful second halfs of PH, Dressrosa, WCI and now Wano) and happened to OP as a whole.
Oda just completely buttraped his great original powersystem (DF users, brawlers, swordfighters, snipers) with it, because now the only thing that actually counts is how good your haki is.
It's basically a microcosm of Oda's and OP's entire problem: It started promising, went to great for a while and then somehow shat the bed along the way.
Happens in every arc these days (just look at those dreadful second halfs of PH, Dressrosa, WCI and now Wano) and happened to OP as a whole.
