Questions & Mysteries "My audience will not be satisfied if Luffy defeats Kaido just because his punch is so strong"-Eichirro Oda [Paraphrased]

Did Oda Let Himself Down?


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The logia were too OP, he had to find a way to bypass it aside from natural counters, so he came up with haki which wasn't a bad idea but when he introduced different levels and showings of the same haki that's when it got a bit messy.
He could've easily come up with a way more tuned down version of haki, that still allowed people to hit logia users.

That version could've been just that: A technique to hit logia users, that just adds spice to the already established powersystem.

What did Oda do?

He somehow decided: Fuck it, I throw my well established powersystem out of the window and introduce haki as the completely new and only relevant powersystem with tons of questionable "levels" and inconsistencies galore.
 
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Wouldn't put my money on Oda being that creative with CoC lol but Luffy's prolly already using some combination of the two types of Haki ^^. Penetration Haki just feels a bit redundant to me now given CoC coating by itself can hurt Kaido. Plus damage-wise, Oda's depiction of penetration type attacks on Kaido hasn't been great and that particular Haki is now secondary in this fight with main focus solely being on CoC coating.

If Oda stuck with Luffy using a technique like Penetration Haki to beat Kaido, it'd conform to what he said about Kaido not losing to Luffy simply coz Luffy's punch is "strong" as he'd have won with pure technique as opposed to overpowering Kaido with strength. Now, with CoC coating however it feels more like a slug fest that will result in the person that can hit harder and endure more winning the fight which is the normal pattern for Luffy fights.
The CoC coating is meant to allow for the Internal Destruction haki to penetrate deeper into Kaido's body, as indicated by Luffys comment of his attacks still being too shallow despite using AdCoA.

It would make more sense if AdCoC is used to enhance the other forms of haki, rather than to be it's own separate move set, that just mimics AdCoA, with zero added benefit other than it being CoC.

Luffy has been using AdCoA the whole time as his method of attacking. You can coat your attacks in AdCoC. Why would he stop using AdCoA? That wouldn't make sense.

Kaido kind of confirmed this as well when he said the Scabbards were using the same type of Ryou as Oden, but the attacks just weren't the same. The difference between Oden and the Scabbards is that Oden had AdCoC.

This just goes to show that there is a difference between those who can just cause minor damage to Kaido, and those who can cause significant damage to him. Having AdCoA or AdCoC on its own is enough to put up a fight, but if you want to stand any chance of actually beating him, you need both.
 
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Haki is the worst thing that ever happened to OP (at least in terms of a healthy and relatable powersystem).

Oda just completely buttraped his great original powersystem (DF users, brawlers, swordfighters, snipers) with it, because now the only thing that actually counts is how good your haki is.

It's basically a microcosm of Oda's and OP's entire problem: It started promising, went to great for a while and then somehow shat the bed along the way.

Happens in every arc these days (just look at those dreadful second halfs of PH, Dressrosa, WCI and now Wano) and happened to OP as a whole.
Not true at all. Luffys last major powerup will be awakening. Considering the main villain in One Piece is a collector of DFs, DFs still matter a lot.

Even Kaido's tough skin is because of his DF. Yeah Haki made combat more linear, but it didnt completely override it.
 
He could've easily come up with a way more tuned down version of haki, that still allowed people to hit logia users.

That version could've been just that: A technique to hit logia users, that just adds spice to the already established powersystem.

What did Oda do?

He somehow decided: Fuck it, I throw my well established powersystem out of the window and introduce haki as the completely new and only relevant powersystem with tons of questionable "levels" and inconsistencies galore.
The power system was never well established
 
The CoC coating is meant to allow for the Internal Destruction haki to penetrate deeper into Kaido's body, as indicated by Luffys comment of his attacks still being too shallow despite using AdCoA.

It would make more sense if AdCoC is used to enhance the other forms of haki, rather than to be it's own separate move set, that just mimics AdCoA, with zero added benefit other than it being CoC.

Luffy has been using AdCoA the whole time as his method of attacking. You can coat your attacks in AdCoC. Why would he stop using AdCoA? That wouldn't make sense.

Kaido kind of confirmed this as well when he said the Scabbards were using the same type of Ryou as Oden, but the attacks just weren't the same. The difference between Oden and the Scabbards is that Oden had AdCoC.

This just goes to show that there is a difference between those who can just cause minor damage to Kaido, and those who can cause significant damage to him. Having AdCoA or AdCoC on its own is enough to put up a fight, but if you want to stand any chance of actually beating him, you need both.
then the advcoc for Zoro is meant to cut in one single swing dragons right?
It is fate both unclock advcoc with Kaido one to defeat him in a fight and the other to prove that even dragons can be cut in a single swing :cheers:
 
Nice thread, interesting point.
The last scene of Kaido vs Luffy was boring for me. I hope Oda will keep his promise and I believe he will do it. I can't think the way but I don't believe the fight will end just because Luffy will have better CoC haki. He has to combine it with something new. Possibly the other SBS which said something about gear 4 and gear 5 will hide the answer
 
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