Anime & Manga Sbs volume 85 clarifies speed feat in Wano
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I'm not ignoring anything.
I never belittled Zoro's speed or anything like that.
I just say that it doesn't put your speed on the same level as Sanji.
Earlier I used the example of Zoro blitz Kaidoh.
Luffy base did the same thing against Kaidou Hybrid and he's not faster than or equal to Sanji in speed.
You see, Sanji's speed is constantly emphasized in the work, more than that of other Mugiwaras, doesn't that mean anything?
Looking invisible to someone with confirmed CoO is an insane feat, the opponent needs a very high reaction time to be able to defend the surprise blow someone isn't seeing.
I think inclusive Zoro's reaction speed can seriously be higher than Sanji's, using as a basis chapter 1035 where Zoro manages to react to King's Dash.
Kizaru, Sanji, Kaidou, King are all characters that had their movement strongly emphasized by the work, That means something, don't you agree?
I never belittled Zoro's speed or anything like that.
I just say that it doesn't put your speed on the same level as Sanji.
Earlier I used the example of Zoro blitz Kaidoh.
Luffy base did the same thing against Kaidou Hybrid and he's not faster than or equal to Sanji in speed.
You see, Sanji's speed is constantly emphasized in the work, more than that of other Mugiwaras, doesn't that mean anything?
Looking invisible to someone with confirmed CoO is an insane feat, the opponent needs a very high reaction time to be able to defend the surprise blow someone isn't seeing.
I think inclusive Zoro's reaction speed can seriously be higher than Sanji's, using as a basis chapter 1035 where Zoro manages to react to King's Dash.
Kizaru, Sanji, Kaidou, King are all characters that had their movement strongly emphasized by the work, That means something, don't you agree?
He said King’s imperial Udon can't be blocked because its beam-like nature, not that he can't keep up with it. He literally dodged it at point-blank range while Emma was messing with him. Unless you are claiming that its faster for Zoro to move its whole body to dodge than to move just his swords to block....
It's not emphasized because zoro naturally fights opponents faster than sanjis opponents. That's the point. If you feel differently provide the example of the opponent sanji has faced that was faster than zoros opponent.
Again that was cute. The exact distortion you are talking about was emphasized pretimeskip with cp9 using soru. The description of it is is moving and blinding speeds. So your point even on this doesn't hold weight
Perception In the one piece verse directly correlates to a person's reaction speed. There is zero example showing otherwise.
" zoro keeping pace with ryuma when brook couldnt"
"Zoro keeping up and blitzing a Fishman underwater to where Fishman stated that he moved FASTER than a fishman underwater"
"Luffy for 11hours reacting in base against an opponent who has future sight"
"Zoro keeping up with kings speed even when king further increased it: some thing king did not do when fighting marco"
Queen noticed Olin fighting which was bigmom that was nerfed mentally and as a result did not use full speed or full strength (she didn't use haki or devil fruit).
Queen perceived Marco's speed? When? He got blitzed and after wards was only able to respond because marco was busy trying to injure king with us being shown that king is fine whole marco is tired.
It is easy to downplay the perception of someone especially when that same someone was never known to be fast or known to be perceive fast attacks hence why monster chopper was ourspeeding queen
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Let's go over the list
Zoro fights ryuma (with brooks shadow)
Sanji fights the invisible pussy that's slower than ryuma
Zoro fights Kumar
Sanji fights air
Zoro fights m1
Sanji fights m1 who lacks fast ranged attacks etc
Zoro fight kaku who can extend his limbs further increasing speed along with his long ranged weapons
Sanji fights jyubra who can't extend his limbs and who lacks reach
Zoro fights fuji who controls gravity and hinders his speed yet he still over powers an attack
Sanji outspeed by doffy
Zoro fights king whom further feels the need to increase his own speed (which he didn't not feel the need to do against raid suit sanji)
Sanji fights queen who monster point chopper dodged while also fighting perospero.
Kaido in based blitzed FS gear 4th luffy with thunder bagua. The same luffy had to level up and use FS while in base and was still only able to barely dodge base kaidos thunder bagua.
Zoro while using ashura blitzes that very same kaido in hybrid form to the point that kaido couldnt even intercept zoros attack with his club even though we see on panel that he was trying too.
Sanji blitzes queen kaidos 2nd commander who Is slow with even queen telling sanji that he cannot maintain that super speed hus fans praise
Do I need to go on?
Yet people wonder why sanjis speed looks so amazing at times. Because he does not fight people as fast zoros opponents
Again that was cute. The exact distortion you are talking about was emphasized pretimeskip with cp9 using soru. The description of it is is moving and blinding speeds. So your point even on this doesn't hold weight
Perception In the one piece verse directly correlates to a person's reaction speed. There is zero example showing otherwise.
" zoro keeping pace with ryuma when brook couldnt"
"Zoro keeping up and blitzing a Fishman underwater to where Fishman stated that he moved FASTER than a fishman underwater"
"Luffy for 11hours reacting in base against an opponent who has future sight"
"Zoro keeping up with kings speed even when king further increased it: some thing king did not do when fighting marco"
Queen noticed Olin fighting which was bigmom that was nerfed mentally and as a result did not use full speed or full strength (she didn't use haki or devil fruit).
Queen perceived Marco's speed? When? He got blitzed and after wards was only able to respond because marco was busy trying to injure king with us being shown that king is fine whole marco is tired.
It is easy to downplay the perception of someone especially when that same someone was never known to be fast or known to be perceive fast attacks hence why monster chopper was ourspeeding queen
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Let's go over the list
Zoro fights ryuma (with brooks shadow)
Sanji fights the invisible pussy that's slower than ryuma
Zoro fights Kumar
Sanji fights air
Zoro fights m1
Sanji fights m1 who lacks fast ranged attacks etc
Zoro fight kaku who can extend his limbs further increasing speed along with his long ranged weapons
Sanji fights jyubra who can't extend his limbs and who lacks reach
Zoro fights fuji who controls gravity and hinders his speed yet he still over powers an attack
Sanji outspeed by doffy
Zoro fights king whom further feels the need to increase his own speed (which he didn't not feel the need to do against raid suit sanji)
Sanji fights queen who monster point chopper dodged while also fighting perospero.
Kaido in based blitzed FS gear 4th luffy with thunder bagua. The same luffy had to level up and use FS while in base and was still only able to barely dodge base kaidos thunder bagua.
Zoro while using ashura blitzes that very same kaido in hybrid form to the point that kaido couldnt even intercept zoros attack with his club even though we see on panel that he was trying too.
Sanji blitzes queen kaidos 2nd commander who Is slow with even queen telling sanji that he cannot maintain that super speed hus fans praise
Do I need to go on?
Yet people wonder why sanjis speed looks so amazing at times. Because he does not fight people as fast zoros opponents
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1. He doesn't say higher than who except Chopper. He cpuld be higher than others, but we don't know, but he would place higher. The fact you left that part out shows your bias.
2. How is Chopper more mobile than Zoro when you just tried to use the Sbs to claim otherwise. Are you slow?
3. Zoro dodged Queens attack and Kings. What are you arguing. The only time Zoro didn't dodge is when Enma distracted him
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2. How is Chopper more mobile than Zoro when you just tried to use the Sbs to claim otherwise. Are you slow?
3. Zoro dodged Queens attack and Kings. What are you arguing. The only time Zoro didn't dodge is when Enma distracted him
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Using a sword doesn't prevent his opponent from showing reaction or at least realising anything before getting blitzed prior to even noticing so. Zoro has cut plenty people who reacted in fear or anything before they get fucked. And even then, it's just a proof that they were unable to move in time to dodge- while other times he's so fast they don't even notice him coming (like Lion's Song vs King)
Oda even emphasized on Lion's Song speed and how much it's a blitz move in its DB and poll entry.
Imagine having so shit arguments that you try to invalidate Zoro's attack and blitz speed just because he uses a sword lmao.
Oda even emphasized on Lion's Song speed and how much it's a blitz move in its DB and poll entry.
Imagine having so shit arguments that you try to invalidate Zoro's attack and blitz speed just because he uses a sword lmao.
Zoro using Lion's Song is definitely faster than what flamed King could react to, and it's an objective, on-screen fact that King got blitzed by him and only noticed it after he got blitzed.
I mean, ACoC didn't change Zoro's attack and combat speed and he downright clowned King when he tried to blitz in speed mode lol
I mean, ACoC didn't change Zoro's attack and combat speed and he downright clowned King when he tried to blitz in speed mode lol