I agree with the power gap(though there are some theories likeb her getting the Nikyu fruit that could potentially solve that) but her speech at the end of Alabasta does hint that she will meet the crew again at some point, now if that meeting will be in the form of her rejoining as a full fledged member its another story
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1. Oda could easily give her a devil fruit (pell/Kuma), or have her awaken haki just like Coby did in the war. She also likely kept training her fighting style in the past two years with Koza and has become a very skilled fighter. She’d be less of a liability than Chopper is who becomes paralyzed or a chibi after one fight. So to your points:
No haki - Haki is awoken in stressful situations. She may have awoken hers at this time.
No DF - Alabasta knows how to pass devil fruits down as the Falcon and Jackal fruit have been passed down for generations. Pell giving vivi the falcon fruit because of her love of flying and her feather themed fighting style can work
Fighting Style - Her peacock feathers aren’t weak. In fact in Alabasta she was trained to fight from a young age and was one of the officers of Baroque Works when she joined. She’s not weak, and definitely not a liability.
2. Her people weren’t in danger like they are now. Her dream is to protect her people, the Alabasta saga showed that she’ll fight anyone and do anything to protect them. Vivi has become a target of the world government, she isn’t going to be returning home to make the people she loves so dearly targets as well.
Why did Oda wait twenty years? Because of the reverie. Oda first brought up the reveries in regards to Vivi. Her returning due to it fits her character. Remember what happened last reverie, Wapol hit her hard and she apologized to him because she knew that any disrespect could mean war and that would hurt her citizens. This time, war came to her. She’d do anything for her people, why would she purposefully make them targets?
No haki - Haki is awoken in stressful situations. She may have awoken hers at this time.
No DF - Alabasta knows how to pass devil fruits down as the Falcon and Jackal fruit have been passed down for generations. Pell giving vivi the falcon fruit because of her love of flying and her feather themed fighting style can work
Fighting Style - Her peacock feathers aren’t weak. In fact in Alabasta she was trained to fight from a young age and was one of the officers of Baroque Works when she joined. She’s not weak, and definitely not a liability.
2. Her people weren’t in danger like they are now. Her dream is to protect her people, the Alabasta saga showed that she’ll fight anyone and do anything to protect them. Vivi has become a target of the world government, she isn’t going to be returning home to make the people she loves so dearly targets as well.
Why did Oda wait twenty years? Because of the reverie. Oda first brought up the reveries in regards to Vivi. Her returning due to it fits her character. Remember what happened last reverie, Wapol hit her hard and she apologized to him because she knew that any disrespect could mean war and that would hurt her citizens. This time, war came to her. She’d do anything for her people, why would she purposefully make them targets?
Let me get this straight. Vivi has to get freshly awoken haki (which is nothing special in the new world) and Pell has to die so that she gets his fruit. Not only that, this combination alone jumps her high enough to fight a titanic captain, a high ranking member of a yonko crew. CP9 must've did something wrong if their hellish training since childhood + a new zoan fruit didn't give them that big boost.
So we're assuming that Vivi is still in Mariejois and didn't go back to Alabasta. If the WG is actively pursuing her, shouldn't she be captured by now given that she's right in their home base and Lucci was there? Unless you think she escaped from Rob Lucci and is currently hiding in a ditch until Luffy is done with Wano, finds out she's in Mariejois somehow, then goes all the way there.
Oda stalled her joining for 20 years so that she could have a character moment she shown in Drum Island and later she can be there for events that would've happened regardless of her being there?
So we're assuming that Vivi is still in Mariejois and didn't go back to Alabasta. If the WG is actively pursuing her, shouldn't she be captured by now given that she's right in their home base and Lucci was there? Unless you think she escaped from Rob Lucci and is currently hiding in a ditch until Luffy is done with Wano, finds out she's in Mariejois somehow, then goes all the way there.
Oda stalled her joining for 20 years so that she could have a character moment she shown in Drum Island and later she can be there for events that would've happened regardless of her being there?
1. You act like Vivi isn’t also a trained fighter and was a high ranking member of a Warlords crew initially. And if Nami and Usopp is strong enough to fight Titanic captains, Vivi will be too.
2. Well let’s see it’s almost like Luffys closest ally and brother who has a penchant for saving people in danger from the world government isn’t right there as well. The same one who’s gone missing since the Reverie and holds a vivre card right to Luffys whereabouts.
3. If Vivi wasn’t in the reverie this wouldn’t have happened. Imu has no issue with Alabasta, just Vivi judging by the picture. If Vivi wasn’t in Alabasta nothing would’ve happened.
We as an audience need a reason to be invested in Imus and the Gorosei defeat killing a character like Kobra and Pell would absolutely give that.
You act like she doesn’t have any build up, but she has more build up than Yamato or Carrot do. There’s a reason shes the only character Oda calls a straw hat who isnt riding on the Sunny. Honestly, Kinemon and Momo have been on the Sunny longer than Vivi was on the merry but they’re not ex straw hats like Vivi is.
2. Well let’s see it’s almost like Luffys closest ally and brother who has a penchant for saving people in danger from the world government isn’t right there as well. The same one who’s gone missing since the Reverie and holds a vivre card right to Luffys whereabouts.
3. If Vivi wasn’t in the reverie this wouldn’t have happened. Imu has no issue with Alabasta, just Vivi judging by the picture. If Vivi wasn’t in Alabasta nothing would’ve happened.
We as an audience need a reason to be invested in Imus and the Gorosei defeat killing a character like Kobra and Pell would absolutely give that.
You act like she doesn’t have any build up, but she has more build up than Yamato or Carrot do. There’s a reason shes the only character Oda calls a straw hat who isnt riding on the Sunny. Honestly, Kinemon and Momo have been on the Sunny longer than Vivi was on the merry but they’re not ex straw hats like Vivi is.
Nami and Usopp worked their ass off to get stronger for Luffy in the 2 years and they continued to get buffs as the timeskip went on. It's beyond a stretch to assume Vivi is up there with them. Especially given that those two outmatched her pre ts despite her being a skilled fighter and a high ranking member of a Warlords crew.
Oda said both Vivi and Sabo are dealing wtih a grim fate. Makino and Dadan were crying when looking at his news. I think its better to worry about Sabo's status than about who he's saving.
The Nefertari family was regarded as traitors for generations. They already had issues with Alabasta regardless of Vivi. It doesn't help that Kobra went in to ask questions that the Elders were wary of him knowing.
Kobra or Pell would've been killed even if Vivi was on the crew the whole time. The main reason he wanted to attend the reverie was because of the questions he got from Robin.
Don't see why Yamato or Carrot matters. Yamato is joining regardless of Vivi joining too or not. I'm just explaining why I think she won't be with them for good.
Oda said both Vivi and Sabo are dealing wtih a grim fate. Makino and Dadan were crying when looking at his news. I think its better to worry about Sabo's status than about who he's saving.
The Nefertari family was regarded as traitors for generations. They already had issues with Alabasta regardless of Vivi. It doesn't help that Kobra went in to ask questions that the Elders were wary of him knowing.
Kobra or Pell would've been killed even if Vivi was on the crew the whole time. The main reason he wanted to attend the reverie was because of the questions he got from Robin.
Don't see why Yamato or Carrot matters. Yamato is joining regardless of Vivi joining too or not. I'm just explaining why I think she won't be with them for good.
This is what proof based on the manga looks like.
It’s something Carrot fans don’t have and hence need paragraphs and paragraphs of garbage about everything being “red herrings.”
Vivi will be a Strawhat when she mets them again.
There is an explicit promise that when Vivi meets the crew again she’ll be part of them.
That’s the entire point of the X scene.
Of course she’s got more going for her than Carrot.
Oda has included Vivi as a Strawhat fairly recently as well.
That’s the entire point of the X scene.
Of course she’s got more going for her than Carrot.
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Oda has included Vivi as a Strawhat fairly recently as well.
She literally is asking to be a Strawhat again if they ever meet in the future. Not to always be considered a Strawhat, or to be a Strawhat in name away from them, but a plain and simple “if we meet again, can I be a Strawhat?”
It’s not about her “putting it off” or “planning on joining again later.” She doesn’t know that they ever will actually meet again, and so she’s not asking them to wait around forever on someone they might never see again.
It’s not about her “putting it off” or “planning on joining again later.” She doesn’t know that they ever will actually meet again, and so she’s not asking them to wait around forever on someone they might never see again.
There is an explicit promise that when Vivi meets the crew again she’ll be part of them.
That’s the entire point of the X scene.
Of course she’s got more going for her than Carrot.
Oda has included Vivi as a Strawhat fairly recently as well.
That’s the entire point of the X scene.
Of course she’s got more going for her than Carrot.
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Oda has included Vivi as a Strawhat fairly recently as well.
Though something that struck me as odd is that I noticed something weird right next to Luffy's ear, the one closest to Nami's head.
:zorothink:
It's kinda hard to tell what it is, but I outlined it for everyone to see...
Kinda hard to tell at that distance, but since I work with Adobe editing programs like After Effects and Photoshop I can use them to enhance the image.
So after typing the above I went ahead and enhanced what I was seeing there... and HOLY SHIT!!!
Clever Goda once again hiding hype shit in plain sight, it's finally confirmed Carrot Bros!!!
I'm confused. The quote is literally "Will you call me your shipmate?". How is that her not saying she wants to be a strawhat in name? The whole dilemma in the scene was that she'd like to go with them but she loves her country more. If she had no problems leaving Alabasta, she would've done so and without any resistance. There was nothing stopping her but her own choice.
Because she does not ask to be a Strawhat in name.
She is asking, in the event they ever meet again, to be a Strawhat, period. She is not promising that day will definitely arrive, she doesn’t know if she will ever meet Luffy and co again, she has chosen her country instead. What Vivi is asking is, if situation ever arises again where she somehow manages to meet the crew, can she be part of it?
And the answer to that, through the X symbol, is yes.
What you’re suggesting would be something like Vivi asking “even though we’re always apart, can I be you’re crewmate?” She doesn’t ask that, because that would be selfish of her. She’s made the choice as of that moment, Alabasta over the Strawhats. She can’t do both.
And now we know that the secret ruler of the world wants Vivi, plus we can pretty easily guess that the Strawhats aren’t going to go back to Alabasta, so that means it’ll be the case where Vivi, like she was before, is going to be away for her homeland and in need of the Strawhats again.
And what the X promise means is, when that time comes, Vivi becomes a Strawhat. In both her and Luffy’s view, she becomes part of his crew, he becomes her captain. She doesn’t just ask to be friends, she explicitly uses “nakama” in Japanese, which for Luffy is always about crewmates.
She is asking, in the event they ever meet again, to be a Strawhat, period. She is not promising that day will definitely arrive, she doesn’t know if she will ever meet Luffy and co again, she has chosen her country instead. What Vivi is asking is, if situation ever arises again where she somehow manages to meet the crew, can she be part of it?
And the answer to that, through the X symbol, is yes.
What you’re suggesting would be something like Vivi asking “even though we’re always apart, can I be you’re crewmate?” She doesn’t ask that, because that would be selfish of her. She’s made the choice as of that moment, Alabasta over the Strawhats. She can’t do both.
And now we know that the secret ruler of the world wants Vivi, plus we can pretty easily guess that the Strawhats aren’t going to go back to Alabasta, so that means it’ll be the case where Vivi, like she was before, is going to be away for her homeland and in need of the Strawhats again.
And what the X promise means is, when that time comes, Vivi becomes a Strawhat. In both her and Luffy’s view, she becomes part of his crew, he becomes her captain. She doesn’t just ask to be friends, she explicitly uses “nakama” in Japanese, which for Luffy is always about crewmates.
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