General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Logiko]

Huh it’s almost like she showed her skills as a diplomat back in Drum Kingdom when she got a bunch of angry villagers to help Luffy despite him freaking out.

Or she could be the actual lookout lmao

She literally is asking to be a Strawhat again if they ever meet in the future. Not to always be considered a Strawhat, or to be a Strawhat in name away from them, but a plain and simple “if we meet again, can I be a Strawhat?”

It’s not about her “putting it off” or “planning on joining again later.” She doesn’t know that they ever will actually meet again, and so she’s not asking them to wait around forever on someone they might never see again.

A strawhat without a post would be a special treatment.

Furthermore. A post in One Piece needs to help the strawhats in their way to their goals and purposes through the grand line. Diplomate would be meaningless as the strawhat as a group are narratively everything BUT diplomates, it's litterally what Oda is hammering us with since the beginning of the story. Concerning the look-out, there would be narratively no point in showing Carrot being a look-out for more than half of an arc just to put Vivi in. Furthemore when she showed NO special skills to the role.

The reality of the story is simple: Vivi won't have a job on the Sunny if she joins.

What does it tells us:

Well that.. if Vivi encounter the strawhats again, it will be as a Nakama, but still not as a crewmate. Vivi might therefore have a role with the strawhats once they meet again, but at the end.. Vivi won't leave with them.

This is what put Vivi in a total different light than Carrot, who will actually stay with the strawhat once she stowaway again :)

 

[jordin]

Because she does not ask to be a Strawhat in name.

She is asking, in the event they ever meet again, to be a Strawhat, period. She is not promising that day will definitely arrive, she doesn’t know if she will ever meet Luffy and co again, she has chosen her country instead. What Vivi is asking is, if situation ever arises again where she somehow manages to meet the crew, can she be part of it?

And the answer to that, through the X symbol, is yes.

What you’re suggesting would be something like Vivi asking “even though we’re always apart, can I be you’re crewmate?” She doesn’t ask that, because that would be selfish of her. She’s made the choice as of that moment, Alabasta over the Strawhats. She can’t do both.

And now we know that the secret ruler of the world wants Vivi, plus we can pretty easily guess that the Strawhats aren’t going to go back to Alabasta, so that means it’ll be the case where Vivi, like she was before, is going to be away for her homeland and in need of the Strawhats again.

And what the X promise means is, when that time comes, Vivi becomes a Strawhat. In both her and Luffy’s view, she becomes part of his crew, he becomes her captain. She doesn’t just ask to be friends, she explicitly uses “nakama” in Japanese, which for Luffy is always about crewmates.

I agree that she's considered a strawhat when they meet up. No problems whatsoever. What I'm saying is that she won't permanently be with them until the end of the story. She made it clear to Luffy that she values being in Alabasta over sailing with them so if she's in danger when they reunite, he'd beat whoever's her opposition so that she's able to go back.

On top of that, you're ignoring the glaring issue of her severe lack of strength. Even if I were to agree that she's joining permanently and not solely for an escort back home, that means she now has to face the endgame level opponents on equal footing with the crew. I hope you aren't gonna say as well that she's as strong as the current weakling trio.

 

[SILVERS000]

Not really. Yamato is not really pushed as a strawhat. Oda is mainly using the hype and the narration to push the aura of Yamato, only the fans make the connection "yamato is shining = Yamato next mugiwara" All Oda needed to do is make Yamato say that she wanted to sail with Luffy. Ironically, that would be the first time a mugiwara say that before joining the crew so in a way, that would also make Yamato "special".

If something is likely to work, why not use it multiple time ? Oda often use tricks multiple time, and they always work. That would be the same here.

that first part was a contradictory, saying "she's not being pushed as a straw hat while saying Oda (the author) made her say she is going to be a straw hat
And yes that would make her special... among the other characters in Wano, if she is going join the crew, every straw hat was somewhat of a standout compared to the others in the arc the were in

 

[Logiko]

that first part was a contradictory, saying "she's not being pushed as a straw hat while saying Oda (the author) made her say she is going to be a straw hat

No. By making Yamato say "I'll sail with Luffy", Oda is not pushing her into the strawhats narratively, he is only pushing his character to believe she is being pushed into the strawhat. The distinction is very important as it the the base for Yamato's future development and realisation.

And yes that would make her special... among the other characters in Wano, if she is going join the crew, every straw hat was somewhat of a standout compared to the others in the arc the were in

Carrot was a stand out also. Never forget that ;)

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C4N

Not this account, my twitter account. Even tho I will have nothing more to say with this one. Once wano is Over the chance of Carrot will be gone, so will I.

 

[Kurozumi D. Trussop]

Carrot was a stand out also. Never forget that ;)

Apparently Oda has ;)

 

[Logiko]

Apparently Oda has ;)

We shall see

 

[SILVERS000]

Carrot was a stand out also. Never forget that ;)

I agree with you, in WCI Carrot did standout with Sulong, but that was to showcase the Sulong before it was used in the war with Kaido
Shown in any of the other scenarios that had Minks fighting and still losing would've made the ability seem like a useless powerup

but shown in the instants of Carrot disabling the ships and clashing with Daifuku and ultimately helping the SHs escape shows Sulong as a worth wile powerup

Narratively the setup of Sulong in Zou to the showcase in WCI and use of it by the dukes in Onigashima is a perfect flow of progression when introducing a power-up that every mink has but not all can control

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Carrot was a stand out also. Never forget that ;)

You might not know it, but I intend to delete this account wether Carrot joins or not. If she does not join I will do the same as if she Joins.. I'll keep reading the story on my own and make analysis on another account.

thought you meant this account, guess i misunderstood, sorry

 

[Sigran101]

I agree with you, in WCI Carrot did standout with Sulong, but that was to showcase the Sulong before it was used in the war with Kaido
Shown in any of the other scenarios that had Minks fighting and still losing would've made the ability seem like a useless powerup

but shown in the instants of Carrot disabling the ships and clashing with Daifuku and ultimately helping the SHs escape shows Sulong as a worth wile powerup

Narratively the setup of Sulong in Zou to the showcase in WCI and use of it by the dukes in Onigashima is a perfect flow of progression when introducing a power-up that every mink has but not all can control

If that's all there was to it then why does Carrot have a unique su long form that's completely different from the wild, feral ones the other minks have? Carrot stands out from the rest of the minks with that form, even Inu and Neko. If anything, it's a poor representation of what su long is supposed to look like, and it begs the question, why is Carrot different?

 

[Gilgamesh]

If that's all there was to it then why does Carrot have a unique su long form that's completely different from the wild, feral ones the other minks have? Carrot stands out from the rest of the minks with that form, even Inu and Neko. If anything, it's a poor representation of what su long is supposed to look like, and it begs the question, why is Carrot different?

Female vs male. Wanda's Sulong looks the same as hers.

 

[SILVERS000]

So can anyone explain why Oda would have her say this without saying its meant to be a red herring? Given that Oda knows fully well that his intended audience of 13 year olds would see this as her joining the crew.

On top of that, Shonen Jump is willing to officially promote this panel on the vol 101 poster that was approved by the editorial.

I agree with you, for Yamato to have all this development and her declare she'll join Luffy's crew then just to have her bait and switch for Carrot only serves to lessen Carrot's impact on the crew

Why go through the trouble of developing Yamato and have her say I'll join the crew just to have someone else do it and not her, with that it makes more sense for Carrot to join along side Yamato or neither of them join, and Yamato's development serves as an important character later on in the story
but either way Yamato is the main focus for the new crew member and Oda is pushing that conversation

So much so that Yamato has already done something that it's taken multiple arc's to do for other straw hats, and technically it took place before the main story and before she even met Luffy
AND THATS SHOW HE BELIEF IN LUFF BECOMING THE PIRATE KING

Inspired by Oden's adventures and moved by the legacy of the Roger, now Luffy shows qualities of Roger and believes Luffy is the next Pirate King, so much so that it brought her to tears

 

[Pot Goblin]

If that's all there was to it then why does Carrot have a unique su long form that's completely different from the wild, feral ones the other minks have? Carrot stands out from the rest of the minks with that form, even Inu and Neko. If anything, it's a poor representation of what su long is supposed to look like, and it begs the question, why is Carrot different?

To add to that, there were already 2 minks that were already traveling with the Straw Hats that we knew pretty well at that point (Pekoms and Pedro) so bringing a third just to have them simply be a plot device to show Sulong seems kind of redundant. Sulong didn't have to happen during chapter 888 either, it could've easily happened before Pedro bit the dust or Pekoms got captured. Or honestly, even sometime during Wano.

It doesn't guarantee anything, but her superior control over Sulong could potentially tie into my Wano Rule of 3 theory with a power-up for Carrot. Here are some pages from Chapters 888 and 889.

http://imgur.com/a/EOA9Gzo

A line that stuck out to me when I reread it is when Jinbe said that "when the Minks stare into the full moon on a clear night, they call upon the wild memories that lurk deep within their subconsciousness."

Now would it be possible to call upon these wild, subconscious, memories without the help of the full moon? Could this potential higher form of control get rid of the significant luck-based (or even all) drawbacks of Sulong in general?

:zorothink:


Considering the last time we saw Carrot was only 10 chapters ago with a confirmation from Nekomamushi that she can still turn Sulong,

I think the door could be potentially open for this to happen.

 

[SILVERS000]

If that's all there was to it then why does Carrot have a unique su long form that's completely different from the wild, feral ones the other minks have? Carrot stands out from the rest of the minks with that form, even Inu and Neko. If anything, it's a poor representation of what su long is supposed to look like, and it begs the question, why is Carrot different?

I dont see much of a difference in the appearances

red eyes
longer hair
fur turned white
aura of electro

Especially when you look at her and Wanda side by side

And i agree the Dukes do have a more feral in appearance but i think that more due to the fact that they are supposed to stand out as the main 2 minks, the rulers and the (assumed) strongest minks, but thats just me

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Clearly, Yamato has had a solid Nakama run only for Oda to stomp on her and her fans necks at the very last second to shove a character they might not like down their throats.


But for real, it is more beneficial to focus more on pro-Carrot than to try to come up with a reason why Yamato won't join. It's why my official stance has always been both as well. My ideal situation is not to have Carrot just simply join, but I want the One Piece community to actually be happy or at least ok with her joining. To blue ball an audience with Yamato and have Carrot join out of nowhere would have the direct opposite effect.

Have Carrot redeem herself, have Yamato tie up any potential loose ends, and have both join to make a good chunk of the fanbase happy.


Not many people would be against seeing this happen...

I joke on my stream that this is the only way i see Carrot joining lmao

 

[Sigran101]

I dont see much of a difference in the appearances

red eyes
longer hair
fur turned white
aura of electro

Especially when you look at her and Wanda side by side

And i agree the Dukes do have a more feral in appearance but i think that more due to the fact that they are supposed to stand out as the main 2 minks, the rulers and the (assumed) strongest minks, but thats just me

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I joke on my stream that this is the only way i see Carrot joining lmao

Well we saw a whole bunch of su long minks on the roof, and they all looked more like the dukes, and Pekom's su long in the anime looked way more like the feral appearance of the others than Carrot's more elegant form despite other su long transformations not even being shown in the manga yet, but I do agree that she doesn't stand out nearly as much next to Wanda. Like @Pot Goblin said though, Pedro would have been the natural choice to show off su long, and we never even saw him transform before he died. Oda went with Carrot for some reason.

Don't take this as me thinking Carrot will join btw. Imo there's way too much going against her, but I think it's important to acknowledge when the opposing argument makes a good point.

 

[SILVERS000]

Well we saw a whole bunch of su long minks on the roof, and they all looked more like the dukes, and Pekom's su long in the anime looked way more like the feral appearance of the others than Carrot's more elegant form despite other su long transformations not even being shown in the manga yet, but I do agree that she doesn't stand out nearly as much next to Wanda. Like @Pot Goblin said though, Pedro would have been the natural choice to show off su long, and we never even saw him transform before he died. Oda went with Carrot for some reason.

Don't take this as me thinking Carrot will join btw. Imo there's way too much going against her, but I think it's important to acknowledge when the opposing argument makes a good point.

Yeah absolutely, I dont think Carrot will join but i do see her potential as a candidate, granted it has dropped a great deal since Wano started but that doesnt discount her past actions, she's snuck on the ship before and can do it again WITH WANDA'S BLESSING

 

[jordin]

The grand unveiling of the final SH in the story is that she had to sneak onboard to join.

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

I agree with you, for Yamato to have all this development and her declare she'll join Luffy's crew then just to have her bait and switch for Carrot only serves to lessen Carrot's impact on the crew

Why go through the trouble of developing Yamato and have her say I'll join the crew just to have someone else do it and not her, with that it makes more sense for Carrot to join along side Yamato or neither of them join, and Yamato's development serves as an important character later on in the story
but either way Yamato is the main focus for the new crew member and Oda is pushing that conversation

So much so that Yamato has already done something that it's taken multiple arc's to do for other straw hats, and technically it took place before the main story and before she even met Luffy
AND THATS SHOW HE BELIEF IN LUFF BECOMING THE PIRATE KING

Inspired by Oden's adventures and moved by the legacy of the Roger, now Luffy shows qualities of Roger and believes Luffy is the next Pirate King, so much so that it brought her to tears

Your point also makes me need to put again another main question (which I have put before here), which is: why Oda gives every single development to Yamato while Oda could’ve given those to Carrot instead? I mean, the answer should be proved by evidences in the manga; not “I think”

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The grand unveiling of the final SH in the story is that she had to sneak onboard to join.

for “surprise factor”

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Well we saw a whole bunch of su long minks on the roof, and they all looked more like the dukes, and Pekom's su long in the anime looked way more like the feral appearance of the others than Carrot's more elegant form despite other su long transformations not even being shown in the manga yet, but I do agree that she doesn't stand out nearly as much next to Wanda. Like @Pot Goblin said though, Pedro would have been the natural choice to show off su long, and we never even saw him transform before he died. Oda went with Carrot for some reason.

Don't take this as me thinking Carrot will join btw. Imo there's way too much going against her, but I think it's important to acknowledge when the opposing argument makes a good point.

Another point needs to be made because the other minks are usually carnivorous mammals. Inu, Neko, Pekoms, even Wanda are carnivorous. Carrot, as a rabbit, is herbivorous mammal; and also because she’s female

 

[thedarkdragon11]

For a change... Can "X" foreshadow that:

• Vivi will return as the 10th recruit (X = 10), or
• Vivi will return just before Laugh Tale (X = treasure marking)

 

[SILVERS000]

Your point also makes me need to put again another main question (which I have put before here), which is: why Oda gives every single development to Yamato while Oda could’ve given those to Carrot instead? I mean, the answer should be proved by evidences in the manga; not “I think”

because she is possibly being setup to join the Straw Hats and Carrot isnt
Thats answer i can give you lol

 

[jordin]

because she is possibly being setup to join the Straw Hats and Carrot isnt
Thats answer i can give you lol

Actually, if you haven't heard, Oda and Shonen Jump are working together to make Yamato as a decoy so that Carrot can be the surprise. You may be asking why they would feel compelled to trick their young teen target audience but don't worry, I got you.

Here's a post that'll elaborate in better detail:

Because the 13 years old of today are not the 13 years old of yersteday.

Yersteday, to access media, you had at best DVDs..

Today. You have everything. Which means that today, 13 years old individual are MUCH MORE educated to the medias and stories that we were at their time.

It's logical, to adapt to this audiance. Trust me, Oda made a lot of bolder move in his story that just this fake out. You can recall for example two twist of that nature:

- Raizo is safe
- The samourai time travelled.

The Raizo is safe twist is so well crafted that even someone with high litterature education will be fooled

Oda loves to mastermind his audiance, that's one of the qualities of his writing, he doesn't take his audience lightly

 

[Drachenblut]

Everyone who believes carrot will join instead of yamato is delusional lol.