The balance looks legit enough considering how much Whitebeard and friends were toyed around on MF 🤔
Because they had homefield advantage with all the traps and buildings they set up in anticipation of Whitebeard arriving, strategic advantage with Sengoku tricking Squad to injuring Whitebeard, Whitebeard himself being weakened due to a heart attack, multiple injuries prior the battle, suffering injuries during the battle from cheap shots from Admirals, the Admirals using openings caused by Whitebeard's fall to take out the Commanders like Jozu, Vista and Marco, Whitebeard not using Adv CoC, 3 of his powerful Commander/strong crew members being out of his crew (Blackbeard, Ace, Thatch). And overall, the Whitebeard Pirates only had 2 major losses, those being Ace and Whitebeard himself. The Whitebeard Pirates themselves were still powerful enough later on that Blackbeard defeating them earned him the title of Yonko.
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Did you read mf the wb pirates would have been wiped out if it were not for Shanks showing up to stop the war.
Whitebeard Pirates had so many disadvantages compared to the Marines, most notably, Whitebeard himself being so much weaker than he was supposed to be. Look at my previous reply for a good list of all the troubles they had. They may be wiped out, but had they had equal conditions, the Marines would have had so much more troubles and it would have been a more even match.
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You are literally arguieng against canon manga as well as databook facts.
You are the one ignoring the context behind those statements. And the only thing I am arguing against is your interpretation of those facts.
Garp has stated within the manga that Marines allied themselved with pirates (Shichibukai) to counterbalance the Yonko.
Yes, that was stated. The context behind that, we later find out, is that Marines+Shichibukai=>1 Yonko alone.
In Databook Green "Secret Pieces" it is stated that Marine HQ + Shichibukai equals the Yonko.
The word Yonko means "4 Emperors".
Again, ignoring context. Every single time the word Yonko is used, it has multiple definitions. Sometimes they mean just ONE of the Four Emperors, whereas sometimes, they refer to them as a group. Jinbei, for example, states "I cannot be scared by a mere Yonko." whereas Garp's statement on the Yonko talks about them as a group. Not in the sense that Yonko=Marines+Shichibukai, of course. Just that the Marines+Shichibukai are more powerful than any Yonko crew by itself, and that is how they keep the balance.
After this you just need to think logically to come to the conclusion whether he means all of them combined or all of them individually. Which is your point... you believe Garp meant each yonko individually. But if you were capable of applying logic you would realize there is no way he could mean that.
I already read what you posted past here, and it's like saying "1+1=2, therefore, I am the smartest man alive." You do not provide any evidence for the claim you made here.
Each of the yonko has their own territories, armies, motives etc... which the marines oversee and monitor constantly in order to be prepared for whatever they are doing. One Piece is not a turn based RPG... It's not like one of the yonko makes a move which the marines then could make a move against and then another one of the yonko makes a move and so on... The marines need to be on high alert constantly in case ANY of the yonko makes a move that he shouldn't be doing. Throughout the years the yonko have made and still to this day activaly make moves within the new world and the marines have to take care of all of it combined. Marine HQ allied themselves with powerful pirates (Shichibukai) in order to counterbalance the influence and power all of the yonko hold within the new world at the same time.
Also don't forget that there is another HUGE part of the world (Paradise) which the Marines also control with other forces that have little to do with Marine HQ. During Marineford War it was stated that 100k Elite Navy soldiers gathered but it was never stated whether those were all of their Elite forces let alone ALL of their forces. Oda even made a statement in one of the SBS about how ONLY Elite Marines gathered at Marineford and others didn't, which means Marine HQ are not representive of all of the Marines forces to begin with. Marine HQ + Shichibukai are simply taking responsibility for the New World specifically.
I fail to find a single piece of evidence here that means Marines+Shichibukai=All Yonko combined. None of this shit is relevant. You basically just said "Well, Marines have more soldiers, and they use Shichibukai and the 100 thousand soldiers together to take care of the Yonko, so that must mean all of them combined are evenly matched to each other."
Your point about the RPG would still make sense if each of the Yonko are almost as powerful and strong as the Marines+Shichibukai.
The Marines are not in need of counterbalancing ALL of the Yonko, I addressed this like 50 times already. They just need to be INDIVIDUALLY stronger than ANY individual Yonko to keep the world at a stalemate.
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I never said Marine+Shichibukai>Yonko, something you claimed I did. That is a strawman.
It is canon fact that Akainu and others stated that the Marines' resources are spread thin and can't deal with the Emperor alliance at the moment because of it. Even Brannew said it but your argument is that canon info means nothing cause it's just Akainu's pride.
Kaido was literally screaming at his men to stop the BMP and gave a sigh of relief when King got rid of them. That is a fact and just say "No" and that you debunked it.
Guess what? You're still using old arguments with less post quality. Bring something new. Once again, it's called the 3 Great Powers, not your made up 6 powers.
Damn you are such a liar.
And we're finished....TL;DR, Marines+Shichibukai~Emperors combined. Postskip Marines alone~Emperors combined. It's not always about Yonko-Admiral power levels.....
Do you not see this? I can give you props by saying you didn't say they were stronger, just around equal. Either way, that statement is problematic and untrue, with your constant context ignoring lying self just continuing to spout nonsense.
For Akainu, READ my replies ffs. Akainu and the Marines CANNOT handle them, and the Shichibukai disbanding made the already dire situation worse. You took Akainu never stating that they cannot handle them and them having a hard time right now because of the Shichibukai and then took it to mean they CAN handle them if they weren't dealing with the Shichibukai, which is such a logical leap.
When Kaido and BM joined hands, Akainu never said they couldn't handle it. He directly said that they were already busy and spread thin dealing with other incidents.
You go from "Akainu never stated they couldn't handle them" to "Which means Akainu think they COULD handle them". You're making shit up and making baseless assumptions.
Plus, the fact that merely 7 Pirates, aside from Mihawk, who are NOWHERE NEAR Yonko level are causing enough problems for the Marines that they cannot handle just 2 Yonko, when you were claiming the Marines are around as strong as all the Yonko combined is just dumb. If they were that powerful, then dealing with 2 Yonko should be a piece of cake, since they just sent weak foot soldiers against the Shichibukai themselves, meaning the main Marine forces, the Admirals, are still there.
Kaido would just rather not deal with them. This is not the same as being frightened or whatever you're saying.
Kaido freaked out about going to war with BM and King almost got BM killed despite her crew being there
Freaked out=/=just not wanting to fight someone who would be an annoyance. Again, you're making shit up. There, debunked.
It is the 6 Great Powers unless you prove otherwise without ignoring the context behind the 3 Great Powers. Not a SINGLE time did you ever debunk this and just said "3 means 3, so that means 3." The Yonkos stalemate each other. This automatically disproves this 3 Great Powers just being the end all be all.
And guess what? Even if my arguments are old, they're still valid.
Do you know why you should exercise? The argument as to why you should exercise has NEVER changed. It's just good for you, and that argument is still valid. Are you going to tell people who tell you to exercise that their argument is old, and thus invalid? You're literally doing the exact same thing here. You NEVER addressed my arguments.
This statement right here by Doffy confirms that it is possible for ONE SINGULAR EMPEROR to rule the seas, whereas the Navy together are said to rule it now, yet that balance can be ruined just ONE YONKO. There is no discussion with this.
This Yonko=Shichibukai+Marines BS needs to end.
