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Who is the Monster Samurai?


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HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#83
Or someone with the strength to kill him.

Hence my point Zoro ain't killing him because he's not strong enough.
Zoro broken body accidental acoc in one sword pulled by enma permanently scarred him
Zoros now with king of hell mode merks kaido

Luffy has hit a nerfed kaido 40 odd times with acoc and still not even kod him let alone kill.
 
#85
Zoro broken body accidental acoc in one sword pulled by enma permanently scarred him
Zoros now with king of hell mode merks kaido

Luffy has hit a nerfed kaido 40 odd times with acoc and still not even kod him let alone kill.
Cry.

Kaido acknowledged Luffy as the only one with the strength to go 1 on 1 and no matter what mental gymnastics you do won't change that.

Damn... this new chapter made you real butthurt didn't it

:crazwhat:
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#86
Cry.

Kaido acknowledged Luffy as the only one with the strength to go 1 on 1 and no matter what mental gymnastics you do won't change that.

Damn... this new chapter made you real butthurt didn't it

:crazwhat:
Didn't do anything.
Luffy hit kaido a bunch of times with acoc some more and still didn't ko a nerfed kaido.
Ultimately kaido gonna get up after everything luffy does and get his head sliced off.
 
#89
A monster samurai is in reference to someone being able to beat him. Kaido called Oden a monster samurai because Oden had the potential to beat him when the fought which was why he was angry the old woman interfered as it stopped him having a 1 v 1 with someone with the strength to challenge him.

Kaido said to the scabbards they weren't monster samurai's because after their attack it did no where near the damage Oden did and he didn't view them as worthy.

Why would he only view someone who could scar him a monster samurai that makes no sense it makes much more sense that he views someone as a monster if they can actually beat him.

When Zoro scarred him he didn't mention Zoro being a monster or anything in fact he shrugged him off a mere nuisance.
Why mention the word samurai at all if it has nothing to do with any traits of samurai? You're forgetting the general assumption is that Oda had Kaido say this because at some point some samurai will meet these expectations. If it was going to be Luffy why make it about samurai at all. Kaido made no explicit comparison between Luffy and Oden, any more than he did with Zoro. If you think 1037 did this then again, why have Kaido make it specific with 'samurai' to begin with? Or give Zoro clearer connections to samurai and Oden (even if you're in denial about this still)?
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#91
Didn't do anything yet chapter ends with Kaido keeling over blood coming from him yeah no damage.

Zoro couldn't even knock Kaido down

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Knockdown is irrelevant
Scabbards did that
And kaido himself said they don't have enough POWER to even open an old wound
Nerfed zoro made a new scar.

So ? He's hit him at least 30 times with acoc and kaido still up

For reference oden hit kaido ONCE with acoc and was about to kill him
 
#94
Why mention the word samurai at all if it has nothing to do with any traits of samurai? You're forgetting the general assumption is that Oda had Kaido say this because at some point some samurai will meet these expectations. If it was going to be Luffy why make it about samurai at all. Kaido made no explicit comparison between Luffy and Oden, any more than he did with Zoro. If you think 1037 did this then again, why have Kaido make it specific with 'samurai' to begin with? Or give Zoro clearer connections to samurai and Oden (even if you're in denial about this still)?
Now we're getting there so what are the traits of a samurai? Now I'm not talking about using a sword as the fact Izo doesn't use a sword shows that's not an issue.

If you take the swords from Oden who is he more like? Zoro or Luffy? However if you took the swords from Oden you wouldn't stop calling him a samurai would you?
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Knockdown is irrelevant
Scabbards did that
And kaido himself said they don't have enough POWER to even open an old wound
Nerfed zoro made a new scar.

So ? He's hit him at least 30 times with acoc and kaido still up

For reference oden hit kaido ONCE with acoc and was about to kill him
Knockdown is only irrelevant to you because it doesn't fit your agenda but to Zoro it mattered.

Swords do more external damage than blunt hits wow in other news water is wet.

By the end of the beatdown Luffy is giving Kaido he'll make what Oden did look like a scratch.
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Watching you in this thread is like watching Harukara in front of the demon lord. :milaugh:


Let's see how many people got that reference. :suresure:
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It's funny watching the typical Luffy haters and ZKK tards come out of from under their rocks after Zoro fainted against King while Luffy and Kaido are going toe to toe.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#95
Now we're getting there so what are the traits of a samurai? Now I'm not talking about using a sword as the fact Izo doesn't use a sword shows that's not an issue.

If you take the swords from Oden who is he more like? Zoro or Luffy? However if you took the swords from Oden you wouldn't stop calling him a samurai would you?
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Knockdown is only irrelevant to you because it doesn't fit your agenda but to Zoro it mattered.

Swords do more external damage than blunt hits wow in other news water is wet.

By the end of the beatdown Luffy is giving Kaido he'll make what Oden did look like a scratch.
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:suresure:

It's funny watching the typical Luffy haters and ZKK tards come out of from under their rocks after Zoro fainted against King while Luffy and Kaido are going toe to toe.
First of all izo uses both.
He just prefers guns to swords
He even has a sword in marineford at one point.


It is completely irrelevant as the scabbards prove. Luffy knocked kaido down in 923 did no damage.
Proving knockdown means nothing.

1 hit > 30 plus hits
That's the gap

Luffy will never do anything close to almost killing a fresh kaido in 2 HITS
 
#96
First of all izo uses both.
He just prefers guns to swords
He even has a sword in marineford at one point.


It is completely irrelevant as the scabbards prove. Luffy knocked kaido down in 923 did no damage.
Proving knockdown means nothing.

1 hit > 30 plus hits
That's the gap

Luffy will never do anything close to almost killing a fresh kaido in 2 HITS
You use a lot of words to try explain Zoro > Luffy but the manga goes out of its way to prove you wrong

Zoro extreme diff King.

Luffy equally fighting Kaido.

Luffy >>> Zoro
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#97
You use a lot of words to try explain Zoro > Luffy but the manga goes out of its way to prove you wrong

Zoro extreme diff King.

Luffy equally fighting Kaido.

Luffy >>> Zoro
Zoro beat King in a total of about 6 7 minutes
MINUTES
Most of that zoro had issues with HIS SWORD
King did 0 Significant damage to zoro
As soon as zoro sorted enma out he clapped King in 3 attacks that landed.

Luffy fighting a kaido that's on his ass
After he just ate and recovered
And after multiple coc attacks can't put him out.
 
#98
Now we're getting there so what are the traits of a samurai? Now I'm not talking about using a sword as the fact Izo doesn't use a sword shows that's not an issue.

If you take the swords from Oden who is he more like? Zoro or Luffy? However if you took the swords from Oden you wouldn't stop calling him a samurai would you?
As someone else mentioned Izo did use swords, hell Oda may have even recently came up with doing that. I'd say practising a lot of traditions of Wano such as Bushido. I'd also say that protecting and serving a Daimyo is good evidence of this as samurai did exactly this in Japan's history. Imagine my surprise to find out Luffy doesn't do any of this. They also used katana as we saw with the whole 'Sunacchi' thing that Zoro was involved in the plotline of. Again, Luffy doesn't do this. It might be easier if you can find some aspects of Samurai that Luffy does fit into.

If I were to say whom Oden is more like without swords I'd say neither. Neither Zoro nor Luffy are interested in women, or being both leader and subordinate, Oda stated Luffy is definitely against killing, unlike Oden. The two also don't choose their own happiness over protecting their loved ones.
But regardless, Oden does use swords whether you like it or not. His having swords was made quite significant, too. Actually thinking about it I think the only reason you even asked who better resembles Oden without blades is to give Luffy help in his comparison. But again, Oden does have blades, katana to be more exact, and it's clearly a very important aspect of his character.
 
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#99
Zoro beat King in a total of about 6 7 minutes
MINUTES
Most of that zoro had issues with HIS SWORD
King did 0 Significant damage to zoro
As soon as zoro sorted enma out he clapped King in 3 attacks that landed.

Luffy fighting a kaido that's on his ass
After he just ate and recovered
And after multiple coc attacks can't put him out.
Yeah and with the gap between Kaido and King Luffy could fodder King as well

Zoro will always end up fighting the second strongest because Zoro will always be the second strongest and no amount of coping will change that
 
Now we're getting there so what are the traits of a samurai? Now I'm not talking about using a sword as the fact Izo doesn't use a sword shows that's not an issue.

If you take the swords from Oden who is he more like? Zoro or Luffy? However if you took the swords from Oden you wouldn't stop calling him a samurai would you?
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Knockdown is only irrelevant to you because it doesn't fit your agenda but to Zoro it mattered.

Swords do more external damage than blunt hits wow in other news water is wet.

By the end of the beatdown Luffy is giving Kaido he'll make what Oden did look like a scratch.
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:suresure:

It's funny watching the typical Luffy haters and ZKK tards come out of from under their rocks after Zoro fainted against King while Luffy and Kaido are going toe to toe.
You really are Harukara. :emohiyo:

Keep at it, you're doing the adaptation justice so far. :zehaha:
 
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