Questions & Mysteries Will Oda ever give us a direct answer for Zoro vs Law?

This is ridiculous beyond imagination.

Yes, it does. Zoro was getting dominated by someone that Law and Kid’s opponent would have ravaged utterly. They were fighting someone far superior than Zoro was fighting. This isn’t rocket science.
FYI, far superior opponent that you mentioned got humiliated by Franky, Brook, Jinbe, Robin, Marco, etc.
While King almost kills Sanji in one panel.

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This is ridiculous beyond imagination.

Yes, it does. Zoro was getting dominated by someone that Law and Kid’s opponent would have ravaged utterly. They were fighting someone far superior than Zoro was fighting. This isn’t rocket science.
This post is utter garbage.

Big Mom with her crew backing her up couldn't stop King from knocking them off the waterfall. Big Mom has yet to prove she can even damage King. Big Mom would have at least a high difficult fight against King.

I hope you didn't forget Kid and Law couldn't defeat Big Mom and needed Kaido bombs to defeat her so they could take the win. While Zoro beat King by himself.

All King was able to do to Zoro was overpower him in their direct clashes. He couldn't even get a direct hit on Zoro without Zoro first being distracted.
 
-Having Zoro above a devil fruit based fighter who barely classifies as a swordsman is just going for technicality. What’s even the essence of his title at that point, you just have to carry around a sword and Zoro should automatically beat you? When your swordsmanship hardly makes up of your fighting ability.

-I don’t have to show panels, it’s the nature of his devil fruit. Mes, GK, shambles, takt, almost all of his basic moves doesn’t even require him to unsheath his sword. His awakening attacks are shockwaves coming from the room coating his sword. It’s just a medium for his room to travel inside opponents, it doesn’t even prick, quite counterintuitive for a supposed sword based fighter. Oda has always treated Law as primarily a devil fruit fighter.
He's already classified as one idk what you even debating frankly.

Like we have Fujitora,Brook , new Shiryuu who knows what new powers will show , Roger even ,etc.
Heck Fujitora practically on the same boat as law( do you think summoning a meteor needs a sword? Him floating? Gravito? Etc) for your argument he could just use a stick or a dagger ,etc but he uses sword.

Oda himself would give Zoro sword Kaido fruit in a "what if" scenario and well he would still be a swordman.

Second point if not panels don't waste my time.
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
Law is a swordsman and will end up below Zoro, this isn't rocket science. Even ignoring that, love how conqueror's haki portrayal gets ignored when the discussion involves Zoro
This was being repeated for years when the debate was Luffy vs Zoro.

Now they back flip on the argument even though Zoro's attained what is currently the peak of COC, the actual "potential" that not only Doflamingo talked about in that panel, but Garp, Whitebeard, Admirals and Mihawk talked about in Marineford when Luffy showed COC.
 
the portrayal has always been there



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I said this before Wano started. This arc is a microchosm of EOS WG standings. There is no better time for Oda to cement WG pecking orders than in the arc that includes like 80% of them up against the highest stakes we've ever seen. There is no better time to cement Zoro > Law than in this arc, both carry named/cursed blades in a swordsman's arc, if Zoro and Law are debatable now in such a Zoro centric sword focused arc nothing is gonna change in the future as the opportunity to make that comparison doesn't get better than this. Law will slowly drift away to a lesser role and the chance for a direct comparison is gone. This was pretty much it.


And I think Zoro > Law is a legit claim, but the truth is Oda still didn't do enough to cement it, pre Big Mom vs Kidd and Law I thought he was on his way to doing so with the rooftop and all.

All this means is that this debate will never end, this is mostly due to the fact that we're dealing with hax vs strength here. And no Law is not bound to the WSS title, King already killed that debate. Oda does everything in his power to not give Law any swordsman related lore. Dude's fighting style is surgery before it's swordsmanship, so I need to see a canon verbal confirmation coming from Law before I box him into that category, especially now that we know it doesn't matter if you fight with a sword or not. You'd think in a sword focused arc we'd get something for Law, but the silence on that front and the complete focus on his df tells me Oda's not tryna box Law into it.

 
If I had to place them on a tier list I already have Zoro just above Law right now. Forget growth.

The only issue here is this. Law is a hax based fighter. Hax based fighters do not follow traditional scaling. They can virtually beat anyone under the right circumstances. Oda can make Law as strong as he wants thanks to this.

Ope Ope is so broken that the only thing holding it back is Law. If Law's haki, stamina etc. Improve, good luck convincing anyone that he can't defeat whoever he's matched up with given his df. Law's ceiling is the Ope Ope's ceiling. Law is the limiting factor of his df. More stamina, better base stats, better haki = more Ope Ope shenanigans.

I've said this before but Law's df is more suited for someone like Imu or another endgame villain. If Law becomes a solid top tier he has a shot at defeating any single person in this verse due to hax. Law can virtually do anything conveniently when the time calls for it. Look at how he pulled R Room out of his ass, the room doesn't actually have any real limits or logic to it, so it's very easy for Oda to have Law keep up with anyone in this verse.

The Ope Ope is the most convenient fruit for Oda to work with.
Law's fruit doesn't seem to be that crazy. His hax is partially limited by strong Haki - that is, not armament in particular. It is just that overall Haki, as in spiritual power/ambition can simply shut down the Ope's abilities entirely. Seen with Law being unable to move Kaido and Big Mom, with Law being unable to amplify that Hax with Haki either to cancel the opponents Haki out. Pure hax, e.g. moving people, taking their heart or cutting them into pieces probably doesn't work well against top tier Haki users. He has to physically harm them. While Shock Wille and Puncture Will are built upon hax (by bypassing Big Mom's durability with K.Room), those abilities still work by physically damaging opponents from the inside out with shockwaves. And while being strong, Big Mom wasn't done even from several blows, although admitting the Ope fruit is strong.

Compare it to the admirals logias. Aokiji could, with a free shot, freeze Big Mom to the core and shatter her. Akainu could blow holes into her and melt her entire organs. Not only extremely lethal, but also destructive, with large AoE and awakening on top to terraform environments and turn them into waste land and permanently altered weather. Or take Enel, who can bust islands with one blow, rain lightning bolts down across the country, launch precisely aimed attacks from miles away and amplify his CoO, while also being extremely fast and lethal (knocking everyone out with 30 million volts, which is just 15% of his base strength, not even considering a possible awakening, which could replicate the thick thunderclouds he needed the Maxim for - free island level nukes).
 

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
People fail to understand how important Kidd was to Law succeeding in striking down Meme. It was a channeled effort provided with splendid synergy. Law is nowhere near yonko level, not even close.
 
If I had to place them on a tier list I already have Zoro just above Law right now. Forget growth.

The only issue here is this. Law is a hax based fighter. Hax based fighters do not follow traditional scaling. They can virtually beat anyone under the right circumstances. Oda can make Law as strong as he wants thanks to this.

Ope Ope is so broken that the only thing holding it back is Law. If Law's haki, stamina etc. Improve, good luck convincing anyone that he can't defeat whoever he's matched up with given his df. Law's ceiling is the Ope Ope's ceiling. Law is the limiting factor of his df. More stamina, better base stats, better haki = more Ope Ope shenanigans.

I've said this before but Law's df is more suited for someone like Imu or another endgame villain. If Law becomes a solid top tier he has a shot at defeating any single person in this verse due to hax. Law can virtually do anything conveniently when the time calls for it. Look at how he pulled R Room out of his ass, the room doesn't actually have any real limits or logic to it, so it's very easy for Oda to have Law keep up with anyone in this verse.

The Ope Ope is the most convenient fruit for Oda to work with.
You are wrong. There isn't much to this right now.

Luffy > Law/Kid > Zoro/Sanji. The Supernova Trio is the strongest. I said this since that moment, that those 3 are the strongest in the alliance.

 
I dont see how Law could beat zoro anyways.
Law needs to connect attacks with Swords with zoro to Land damage. That cant happen, zoro aint Big Mum, unless Law sneak attacks him. As a swordman, zoro will never get stabbed by another swordman in a fair 1v1, that would be a shame.
However zoro is a much better swordman than Law, he for sure Can cut him in half
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
You are wrong. There isn't much to this right now.

Luffy > Law/Kid > Zoro/Sanji. The Supernova Trio is the strongest. I said this since that moment, that those 3 are the strongest in the alliance.

Maybe I am, idrc though this is supposed to be pretty ambiguous. Zoro is clearly in the same league as Kidd/Law at the worst.

It's true matchups are the best indicators of pecking order in One Piece and Law is usually outshining Zoro in every arc when it comes to those but Oda always puts an asterisk beside his achievements so ultimately it becomes debatable concerning strength. He throws Zoro enough of a bone for the debate to be had. At some point you have to look at feats, Zoro's feats are too good to ignore. And you can't box Zoro in to a tradional underling anyway, he has portrayal points in his favour too (he has advCoC, whereas Law doesn't even have CoC).

I'm not gonna push back on anyone saying Law > Zoro or vice versa. Both have a healthy mix of portrayal and feats.
 
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