General & Others Ace’s Novel : Part 2
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Kaido's hype is shaky. Oda on his own accord chose to differentiate between regular hearsay and actual titles. Nowhere in the canon material has Kaido been referred to as the actual WSC, there are always nuances being made to sway away from it.
Notice in the above panels how it's hearsay and a rumor, the same type of rumor like Luffy being a 25-foot-tall monster
Moreover, there are clues laid out that Kaido in fact might not be even human, and thus his supposed title should have no bearing on humans.
In addition, Kaido, in canon material, has only been referred to as the 'King of Beast', on multiple instances, whilst never referred to as the WSC
Now, I'll present a direct comparison with both Mihawk and Whitebeard. I won't elaborate here, because I've written everything in the panels themselves.
The quotation marks appear in the raw Japanese as well
And no that sbs did not confirm anything. That is the official Viz translation. Even though they are similar, there are small nuances that make it different, such as 'even Kaido' not appearing. Moreover, Oda says world's strongest creature, not living being. In addition, he leaves no doubts to a mother actually being the WSC. He highlights it by saying she is stronger than Kaido, the supposed WSC, and she is thus the actual WSC. There's no room to debate about anything concerning the mother, as opposed to Kaido.
Oda, on his own accord went out of his way to make a distinction.
Now let's talk more about betting on him in a 1 vs 1.
Kaido and Linlin haven't seen each other in decades.
WB hasn't heard Shanks' name in years implying that Shanks didn't fight any remarkable foe after Mihawk: not Kaido, not Linlin and of course not Whitebeard.
Now for WB.
While it is true that Whitebeard possesses a magnanimous attitude, there is one thing he holds on a higher pedestal than that, and that's his crew and their lives. He was ready to wage war against the entire world in order to get back one of his crew members.
The reputation surrounding the WBP is that if you mess with one of their own you pay for it. Anyone who lays a hand on one of their own should be prepared to face consequences.
The only exemption from this, that we know of, was when Ace first tried to pursue Teach. Key word here being pursue.
however from the supposed implications of Kaido challenging the other Yonko, it appears that he goes after them in order to do so, not the other way around. Therefore, Kaido would have to seek out WB, completely opposite to what Ace did with Teach. Had Teach waltzed into WB's ship he wasn't going to leave that place alive, as it is later confirmed in MF and during the meeting between WB and Shanks.
When Shanks and WB met, WB stated his crew calls for vengeance and that Teach needs to pay for what he had done
In MF WB stated he will avenge Thatch and that Teach will pay with his life, even Teach himself was afraid of dying to WB
Now you might be wondering why I brought all of this up. It's to preemptively stop the WB and Kaido were crew members thing. It's widely known that pirates in the Rocks group vehemently disliked each other, and were killing one another constantly
there wasn't a bond between them like between other crews. Moreover, Kaido was merely an apprentice in the Rocks crew
meaning he was very young and had spent significantly less time with WB, not to mention things point to bad relationships between the crew, than BB who had served under WB's flag for decades
The point I am making with this is that WB was ready to kill Teach, someone he called son, someone who had spent decades with him, to avenge a fallen comrade and crew member, as illustrated above.
Kaido is not only the one who killed the man WB himself called his little brother
but also the man who took over his country. We also know that WB is protective of his friends' countries, as he protected FI as a favour to his friend Neptune
From what's established about WB, him letting Kaido waltz onto his ship would have to result in Kaido's death. Therefore, logically playing out that situation, from what we know of Whitebeard and how he treats those close to him, going to such lengths as to battle the entire Navy in order to rescue one of his own, it would defy the established behaviour if WB just let Kaido go after beating him.
Even if we were to say that he fought WB, it would result in his losses, thus not helping him with the people say you should bet on Kaido.
I wouldn't be surprised if the rumour about Kaido started when he defeated Oden, without people knowing he used a cheap shot and underhanded tactics, as Oden was hailed as very strong, even had a bounty, and him taking over Wano, hailed as one of the strongest nations in the world, so much that the current FA of the Navy was more worried about the forces in Wano, rather than two of the Yonko when Kizaru offered himself to go there.
Kizaru was only stopped by Akainu due to the unknown military force in Wano. I stress again Wano, meaning Kizaru was gonna go to Wano, not somewhere along the way but Wano. The rumour was made more believable when the people saw Kaido beating people like the SN, and adding them to their crew. Whilst the SN are far away from crème de la crème of OP world, compared to the general populace of the OP world they are pretty strong. Kaido is the easiest Yonko to get to. He himself seeks challenges. Compare that to people trying to invade WCI and having to fight the commanders
Shanks who travels often and his whereabouts are hard to find. People would see Kaido beating strong people, strong as in stronger than the general populace, but nowhere near as strong as top tiers in OP, and thus start the rumor like that.
Notice in the above panels how it's hearsay and a rumor, the same type of rumor like Luffy being a 25-foot-tall monster
Moreover, there are clues laid out that Kaido in fact might not be even human, and thus his supposed title should have no bearing on humans.
Now, I'll present a direct comparison with both Mihawk and Whitebeard. I won't elaborate here, because I've written everything in the panels themselves.
The quotation marks appear in the raw Japanese as well
And no that sbs did not confirm anything. That is the official Viz translation. Even though they are similar, there are small nuances that make it different, such as 'even Kaido' not appearing. Moreover, Oda says world's strongest creature, not living being. In addition, he leaves no doubts to a mother actually being the WSC. He highlights it by saying she is stronger than Kaido, the supposed WSC, and she is thus the actual WSC. There's no room to debate about anything concerning the mother, as opposed to Kaido.
Oda, on his own accord went out of his way to make a distinction.
Now let's talk more about betting on him in a 1 vs 1.
Kaido and Linlin haven't seen each other in decades.
Now for WB.
While it is true that Whitebeard possesses a magnanimous attitude, there is one thing he holds on a higher pedestal than that, and that's his crew and their lives. He was ready to wage war against the entire world in order to get back one of his crew members.
The reputation surrounding the WBP is that if you mess with one of their own you pay for it. Anyone who lays a hand on one of their own should be prepared to face consequences.
When Shanks and WB met, WB stated his crew calls for vengeance and that Teach needs to pay for what he had done
there wasn't a bond between them like between other crews. Moreover, Kaido was merely an apprentice in the Rocks crew
meaning he was very young and had spent significantly less time with WB, not to mention things point to bad relationships between the crew, than BB who had served under WB's flag for decades
The point I am making with this is that WB was ready to kill Teach, someone he called son, someone who had spent decades with him, to avenge a fallen comrade and crew member, as illustrated above.
Kaido is not only the one who killed the man WB himself called his little brother
From what's established about WB, him letting Kaido waltz onto his ship would have to result in Kaido's death. Therefore, logically playing out that situation, from what we know of Whitebeard and how he treats those close to him, going to such lengths as to battle the entire Navy in order to rescue one of his own, it would defy the established behaviour if WB just let Kaido go after beating him.
Even if we were to say that he fought WB, it would result in his losses, thus not helping him with the people say you should bet on Kaido.
I wouldn't be surprised if the rumour about Kaido started when he defeated Oden, without people knowing he used a cheap shot and underhanded tactics, as Oden was hailed as very strong, even had a bounty, and him taking over Wano, hailed as one of the strongest nations in the world, so much that the current FA of the Navy was more worried about the forces in Wano, rather than two of the Yonko when Kizaru offered himself to go there.
It's not just the Emperor fluff. The WG gave him a billion bounty, he has acquired new territory, defeated a Yonko's FM, and has subordinate captains under his flag. The Emperor fluff is the icing on the cake, signifying Luffy's steps closer to the Emperors.
At least Law and Kid might play some major role in taking down Kaido, but their contributions won't be as big as Luffy's. Take the Doflamingo fight. Law orchestrated his takedown, played a vital role in his defeat, yet it's Luffy who did most of the bulk work and dealt the final blow.
Luffy and Blackbeard will for sure be the new Roger and Whitebeard. I don't see anything that significant for Law and Kid.
At least Law and Kid might play some major role in taking down Kaido, but their contributions won't be as big as Luffy's. Take the Doflamingo fight. Law orchestrated his takedown, played a vital role in his defeat, yet it's Luffy who did most of the bulk work and dealt the final blow.
Luffy and Blackbeard will for sure be the new Roger and Whitebeard. I don't see anything that significant for Law and Kid.
Kaido's hype is shaky. Oda on his own accord chose to differentiate between regular hearsay and actual titles. Nowhere in the canon material has Kaido been referred to as the actual WSC, there are always nuances being made to sway away from it.
Notice in the above panels how it's hearsay and a rumor, the same type of rumor like Luffy being a 25-foot-tall monster
Moreover, there are clues laid out that Kaido in fact might not be even human, and thus his supposed title should have no bearing on humans.
In addition, Kaido, in canon material, has only been referred to as the 'King of Beast', on multiple instances, whilst never referred to as the WSC
Now, I'll present a direct comparison with both Mihawk and Whitebeard. I won't elaborate here, because I've written everything in the panels themselves.
The quotation marks appear in the raw Japanese as well
And no that sbs did not confirm anything. That is the official Viz translation. Even though they are similar, there are small nuances that make it different, such as 'even Kaido' not appearing. Moreover, Oda says world's strongest creature, not living being. In addition, he leaves no doubts to a mother actually being the WSC. He highlights it by saying she is stronger than Kaido, the supposed WSC, and she is thus the actual WSC. There's no room to debate about anything concerning the mother, as opposed to Kaido.
Oda, on his own accord went out of his way to make a distinction.
Now let's talk more about betting on him in a 1 vs 1.
Kaido and Linlin haven't seen each other in decades.
WB hasn't heard Shanks' name in years implying that Shanks didn't fight any remarkable foe after Mihawk: not Kaido, not Linlin and of course not Whitebeard.
Now for WB.
While it is true that Whitebeard possesses a magnanimous attitude, there is one thing he holds on a higher pedestal than that, and that's his crew and their lives. He was ready to wage war against the entire world in order to get back one of his crew members.
The reputation surrounding the WBP is that if you mess with one of their own you pay for it. Anyone who lays a hand on one of their own should be prepared to face consequences.
The only exemption from this, that we know of, was when Ace first tried to pursue Teach. Key word here being pursue.
however from the supposed implications of Kaido challenging the other Yonko, it appears that he goes after them in order to do so, not the other way around. Therefore, Kaido would have to seek out WB, completely opposite to what Ace did with Teach. Had Teach waltzed into WB's ship he wasn't going to leave that place alive, as it is later confirmed in MF and during the meeting between WB and Shanks.
When Shanks and WB met, WB stated his crew calls for vengeance and that Teach needs to pay for what he had done
In MF WB stated he will avenge Thatch and that Teach will pay with his life, even Teach himself was afraid of dying to WB
Now you might be wondering why I brought all of this up. It's to preemptively stop the WB and Kaido were crew members thing. It's widely known that pirates in the Rocks group vehemently disliked each other, and were killing one another constantly
there wasn't a bond between them like between other crews. Moreover, Kaido was merely an apprentice in the Rocks crew
meaning he was very young and had spent significantly less time with WB, not to mention things point to bad relationships between the crew, than BB who had served under WB's flag for decades
The point I am making with this is that WB was ready to kill Teach, someone he called son, someone who had spent decades with him, to avenge a fallen comrade and crew member, as illustrated above.
Kaido is not only the one who killed the man WB himself called his little brother
but also the man who took over his country. We also know that WB is protective of his friends' countries, as he protected FI as a favour to his friend Neptune
From what's established about WB, him letting Kaido waltz onto his ship would have to result in Kaido's death. Therefore, logically playing out that situation, from what we know of Whitebeard and how he treats those close to him, going to such lengths as to battle the entire Navy in order to rescue one of his own, it would defy the established behaviour if WB just let Kaido go after beating him.
Even if we were to say that he fought WB, it would result in his losses, thus not helping him with the people say you should bet on Kaido.
I wouldn't be surprised if the rumour about Kaido started when he defeated Oden, without people knowing he used a cheap shot and underhanded tactics, as Oden was hailed as very strong, even had a bounty, and him taking over Wano, hailed as one of the strongest nations in the world, so much that the current FA of the Navy was more worried about the forces in Wano, rather than two of the Yonko when Kizaru offered himself to go there.
Kizaru was only stopped by Akainu due to the unknown military force in Wano. I stress again Wano, meaning Kizaru was gonna go to Wano, not somewhere along the way but Wano. The rumour was made more believable when the people saw Kaido beating people like the SN, and adding them to their crew. Whilst the SN are far away from crème de la crème of OP world, compared to the general populace of the OP world they are pretty strong. Kaido is the easiest Yonko to get to. He himself seeks challenges. Compare that to people trying to invade WCI and having to fight the commanders
Shanks who travels often and his whereabouts are hard to find. People would see Kaido beating strong people, strong as in stronger than the general populace, but nowhere near as strong as top tiers in OP, and thus start the rumor like that.
Notice in the above panels how it's hearsay and a rumor, the same type of rumor like Luffy being a 25-foot-tall monster
Moreover, there are clues laid out that Kaido in fact might not be even human, and thus his supposed title should have no bearing on humans.
Now, I'll present a direct comparison with both Mihawk and Whitebeard. I won't elaborate here, because I've written everything in the panels themselves.
The quotation marks appear in the raw Japanese as well
And no that sbs did not confirm anything. That is the official Viz translation. Even though they are similar, there are small nuances that make it different, such as 'even Kaido' not appearing. Moreover, Oda says world's strongest creature, not living being. In addition, he leaves no doubts to a mother actually being the WSC. He highlights it by saying she is stronger than Kaido, the supposed WSC, and she is thus the actual WSC. There's no room to debate about anything concerning the mother, as opposed to Kaido.
Oda, on his own accord went out of his way to make a distinction.
Now let's talk more about betting on him in a 1 vs 1.
Kaido and Linlin haven't seen each other in decades.
Now for WB.
While it is true that Whitebeard possesses a magnanimous attitude, there is one thing he holds on a higher pedestal than that, and that's his crew and their lives. He was ready to wage war against the entire world in order to get back one of his crew members.
The reputation surrounding the WBP is that if you mess with one of their own you pay for it. Anyone who lays a hand on one of their own should be prepared to face consequences.
When Shanks and WB met, WB stated his crew calls for vengeance and that Teach needs to pay for what he had done
there wasn't a bond between them like between other crews. Moreover, Kaido was merely an apprentice in the Rocks crew
meaning he was very young and had spent significantly less time with WB, not to mention things point to bad relationships between the crew, than BB who had served under WB's flag for decades
The point I am making with this is that WB was ready to kill Teach, someone he called son, someone who had spent decades with him, to avenge a fallen comrade and crew member, as illustrated above.
Kaido is not only the one who killed the man WB himself called his little brother
From what's established about WB, him letting Kaido waltz onto his ship would have to result in Kaido's death. Therefore, logically playing out that situation, from what we know of Whitebeard and how he treats those close to him, going to such lengths as to battle the entire Navy in order to rescue one of his own, it would defy the established behaviour if WB just let Kaido go after beating him.
Even if we were to say that he fought WB, it would result in his losses, thus not helping him with the people say you should bet on Kaido.
I wouldn't be surprised if the rumour about Kaido started when he defeated Oden, without people knowing he used a cheap shot and underhanded tactics, as Oden was hailed as very strong, even had a bounty, and him taking over Wano, hailed as one of the strongest nations in the world, so much that the current FA of the Navy was more worried about the forces in Wano, rather than two of the Yonko when Kizaru offered himself to go there.
You have good points, but it doesnt change the fact that oda himself hyped kaido in and out of the manga multiple times. This ace novel stuff is the latest addition.
And yes putting stock into random mooks can be debatable, but big mom and blackbeard hyped the man up as some sort of monster. The fact that whitebeard didnt go avenge his brother also puts stock into kaido's strength by the way.
I just feel like people are being way too harsh on the man, had it been anyone else whos received this much hype i feel like people would be less resistant to him being the de facto strongest at the moment.
But hey, lets wait and see. Im hoping the kaido flashback will shed some light into things. When oda goes out of his way to bring the man up in a question about strength involving akainu. I feel like i should trust the author.
And by the way, we see kaido in the oden flashback being a calculating person, who only goes into a fight when they are certain to win. And yet now, look at him. As you said, the man is going out of his way to fight and find challengers. He challenged the marines and yonko at the time singlehandedly. The yonko system wasnt a thing back then. Meaning he challenged whitebeard and linlin, i am certain in his flashback we will see those things. I feel like kaido truly attained the pinnacle right now and is bored of life.
When luffy was laying it on him he thought that maybe that kid would do something, disappointed he one shot him. The man's strength is insane by the way. Younger Oden took a named attack from roger and got right back up with a few bruises, whereas a stronger version of oden got knocked out in one hit.
All in all, i get where you are coming from. But more things are pointing towards him being the strongest right now than not. I dont see anyone else with this much hype.
And if as you say WB battled the entirety of the navy at once to save his son, he didnt go into wano to avenge Oden whom he called brother at all. That should tell you a lot about Kaido's strength if nothing else.
I want to add that cypher poll is scared of kaido as seen by their reaction when orochi brought him up. Orochi is a cunning man who knows his limits. He wouldnt make such outrageous claims if he doesnt know he can back them up. The same cypher poll whom got intel the revolutionaries and the blackbeards were in baltigo and went there no problem were shaking when they heard the name Kaido.
Rumours only get you so far mate, in his intro it specifically stated that he fought the marines and yonko alike singlehandedly. Thats a fact, let us wait and see how it played out!
PS: Nice avi btw
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Novel : "...when talking of Purely strength, on 1 vs 1 Kaido should win, ...WSC ..."
Manga : " ...1 v 1 bet on Kaido... WSC" " became Yonko via strength alone "
Oden "nobody can stop/end him for a long time"
Oda in Sbs uses Kaido as WSC benchmark to hype a living mother as WSC.
>Fans " WSC is about his race or crew, novel is fake news, sbs is a joke, he is shaky..." LOL
He never planned the old hag trick. Give it up already, oden himself planned to kill drunk sleeping Kaido but Kaido can't take advantage of Odeb distraction to win?
The same people that gave WB the WSM title are the same ones who sees Kaido as WSC. (Unless you believe WG gave WB propaganda title as they gave Roger PK title.)
Using Young Kaido feats from 20 years ago when he didn't have Yonko WSC title & 1 v 1 hype doesn't help your case. Since we know:
base Kaido >= or ~ Oden
& Hybrid kaido > base kaido
overall fact: WSC Kaido>Younger Kaido >= Prime Oden
Even the natural freaks (BM/Oden) couldn't dominate base Kaido (on guard)
*btw Primebeard clashed evenly with Young Oden while Kaido matched prime Oden at castle & won the war (distraction or not, he did something WB couldn't do vs Akainu,)*
fans "oden was gonna kill Kaido" when oden words " Dont ever come back" strongly implies that he didn't see he could kill him there but can only chase him away.
*It's like saying Luffy was gonna beat/was superior than Kaido coz he got white eyes and fell (also Kaido last longer on floor than vs oden)
*him not beating BM after 2 days is because both have been portrayed (near) equals via everything.
It's like expecting clear result on Roger vs WB or Akainu vs Kuzan in 2/3 days.
No statement/info/hype/portrayal has ever placed BM below any top tier except Roger, WB & Kaido.
Individually on pure strength, no one has better combat power and hype than Yonko Kaido. None!!! Zero!
Oden who fought non-WSC Kaido, still hyped him to be unstoppable/unbeaten for a long time till Joyboy and others comes.
You can debate on how roger/wb have an edge, but denying Kaido individual strength hype & feats as top 1 currently is being a troll.
Manga : " ...1 v 1 bet on Kaido... WSC" " became Yonko via strength alone "
Oden "nobody can stop/end him for a long time"
Oda in Sbs uses Kaido as WSC benchmark to hype a living mother as WSC.
>Fans " WSC is about his race or crew, novel is fake news, sbs is a joke, he is shaky..." LOL
He never planned the old hag trick. Give it up already, oden himself planned to kill drunk sleeping Kaido but Kaido can't take advantage of Odeb distraction to win?
The same people that gave WB the WSM title are the same ones who sees Kaido as WSC. (Unless you believe WG gave WB propaganda title as they gave Roger PK title.)
Using Young Kaido feats from 20 years ago when he didn't have Yonko WSC title & 1 v 1 hype doesn't help your case. Since we know:
- Base Kaido ~ or >= Oden (shown at the castle) & base Kaido oneshotted Prime Oden from behind with a hakiless unnamed strike.
- Remember who couldn't KO someone from behind or front? Enraged WB vs Akainu/Yami Teach. While Base Kaido easily ends a top tier. (we also know Oden has better physical stats than anyone not named Kaido/BM)
- Oden could only land a hit on dragon Kaido (defenceless) as luffy did.
- Dragon Kaido put oden on floor & barely on knees with unnamed blast despite oden blocking ,while he took a clean hit and got up quickly from Oden's enraged named attack. Thus dragon Kaido and Oden could tank each other attacks.
base Kaido >= or ~ Oden
& Hybrid kaido > base kaido
overall fact: WSC Kaido>Younger Kaido >= Prime Oden
Even the natural freaks (BM/Oden) couldn't dominate base Kaido (on guard)
*btw Primebeard clashed evenly with Young Oden while Kaido matched prime Oden at castle & won the war (distraction or not, he did something WB couldn't do vs Akainu,)*
fans "oden was gonna kill Kaido" when oden words " Dont ever come back" strongly implies that he didn't see he could kill him there but can only chase him away.
*It's like saying Luffy was gonna beat/was superior than Kaido coz he got white eyes and fell (also Kaido last longer on floor than vs oden)
*him not beating BM after 2 days is because both have been portrayed (near) equals via everything.
It's like expecting clear result on Roger vs WB or Akainu vs Kuzan in 2/3 days.
No statement/info/hype/portrayal has ever placed BM below any top tier except Roger, WB & Kaido.
Individually on pure strength, no one has better combat power and hype than Yonko Kaido. None!!! Zero!
Oden who fought non-WSC Kaido, still hyped him to be unstoppable/unbeaten for a long time till Joyboy and others comes.
You can debate on how roger/wb have an edge, but denying Kaido individual strength hype & feats as top 1 currently is being a troll.
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I remember ur un @HPsyche! i used to lurk on reddit and I often found u there. I recognized ur signature arguments.. back then, some agreed and some disagreed with u which caused quite a discussion and i guess thats the case again now.
I remember u created a post regarding Kaido's WSC title and u were also engaged in the novel ace vol 2 ( translated by Sandman) post.
Anyways, it's good to see u around man! u def dont know me since I didnt have reddit account at that time and just casually read the threads and comments there.
I remember u created a post regarding Kaido's WSC title and u were also engaged in the novel ace vol 2 ( translated by Sandman) post.
Anyways, it's good to see u around man! u def dont know me since I didnt have reddit account at that time and just casually read the threads and comments there.
I remember ur un @HPsyche! i used to lurk on reddit and I often found u there. I recognized ur signature arguments.. back then, some agreed and some disagreed with u which caused quite a discussion and i guess thats the case again now.
I remember u created a post regarding Kaido's WSC title and u were also engaged in the novel ace vol 2 ( translated by Sandman) post.
Anyways, it's good to see u around man! u def dont know me since I didnt have reddit account at that time and just casually read the threads and comments there.
I remember u created a post regarding Kaido's WSC title and u were also engaged in the novel ace vol 2 ( translated by Sandman) post.
Anyways, it's good to see u around man! u def dont know me since I didnt have reddit account at that time and just casually read the threads and comments there.
@Fujishiro do you feel that feeling? Yeah that the same feeling every Mihawk fans are feeling when they are arguing about Mihawk’s title
I remember ur un @HPsyche! i used to lurk on reddit and I often found u there. I recognized ur signature arguments.. back then, some agreed and some disagreed with u which caused quite a discussion and i guess thats the case again now.
I remember u created a post regarding Kaido's WSC title and u were also engaged in the novel ace vol 2 ( translated by Sandman) post.
Anyways, it's good to see u around man! u def dont know me since I didnt have reddit account at that time and just casually read the threads and comments there.
I remember u created a post regarding Kaido's WSC title and u were also engaged in the novel ace vol 2 ( translated by Sandman) post.
Anyways, it's good to see u around man! u def dont know me since I didnt have reddit account at that time and just casually read the threads and comments there.
Kaido's hype is shaky. Oda on his own accord chose to differentiate between regular hearsay and actual titles. Nowhere in the canon material has Kaido been referred to as the actual WSC, there are always nuances being made to sway away from it.
Notice in the above panels how it's hearsay and a rumor, the same type of rumor like Luffy being a 25-foot-tall monster
Moreover, there are clues laid out that Kaido in fact might not be even human, and thus his supposed title should have no bearing on humans.
In addition, Kaido, in canon material, has only been referred to as the 'King of Beast', on multiple instances, whilst never referred to as the WSC
Now, I'll present a direct comparison with both Mihawk and Whitebeard. I won't elaborate here, because I've written everything in the panels themselves.
The quotation marks appear in the raw Japanese as well
And no that sbs did not confirm anything. That is the official Viz translation. Even though they are similar, there are small nuances that make it different, such as 'even Kaido' not appearing. Moreover, Oda says world's strongest creature, not living being. In addition, he leaves no doubts to a mother actually being the WSC. He highlights it by saying she is stronger than Kaido, the supposed WSC, and she is thus the actual WSC. There's no room to debate about anything concerning the mother, as opposed to Kaido.
Oda, on his own accord went out of his way to make a distinction.
Now let's talk more about betting on him in a 1 vs 1.
Kaido and Linlin haven't seen each other in decades.
WB hasn't heard Shanks' name in years implying that Shanks didn't fight any remarkable foe after Mihawk: not Kaido, not Linlin and of course not Whitebeard.
Now for WB.
While it is true that Whitebeard possesses a magnanimous attitude, there is one thing he holds on a higher pedestal than that, and that's his crew and their lives. He was ready to wage war against the entire world in order to get back one of his crew members.
The reputation surrounding the WBP is that if you mess with one of their own you pay for it. Anyone who lays a hand on one of their own should be prepared to face consequences.
The only exemption from this, that we know of, was when Ace first tried to pursue Teach. Key word here being pursue.
however from the supposed implications of Kaido challenging the other Yonko, it appears that he goes after them in order to do so, not the other way around. Therefore, Kaido would have to seek out WB, completely opposite to what Ace did with Teach. Had Teach waltzed into WB's ship he wasn't going to leave that place alive, as it is later confirmed in MF and during the meeting between WB and Shanks.
When Shanks and WB met, WB stated his crew calls for vengeance and that Teach needs to pay for what he had done
In MF WB stated he will avenge Thatch and that Teach will pay with his life, even Teach himself was afraid of dying to WB
Now you might be wondering why I brought all of this up. It's to preemptively stop the WB and Kaido were crew members thing. It's widely known that pirates in the Rocks group vehemently disliked each other, and were killing one another constantly
there wasn't a bond between them like between other crews. Moreover, Kaido was merely an apprentice in the Rocks crew
meaning he was very young and had spent significantly less time with WB, not to mention things point to bad relationships between the crew, than BB who had served under WB's flag for decades
The point I am making with this is that WB was ready to kill Teach, someone he called son, someone who had spent decades with him, to avenge a fallen comrade and crew member, as illustrated above.
Kaido is not only the one who killed the man WB himself called his little brother
but also the man who took over his country. We also know that WB is protective of his friends' countries, as he protected FI as a favour to his friend Neptune
From what's established about WB, him letting Kaido waltz onto his ship would have to result in Kaido's death. Therefore, logically playing out that situation, from what we know of Whitebeard and how he treats those close to him, going to such lengths as to battle the entire Navy in order to rescue one of his own, it would defy the established behaviour if WB just let Kaido go after beating him.
Even if we were to say that he fought WB, it would result in his losses, thus not helping him with the people say you should bet on Kaido.
I wouldn't be surprised if the rumour about Kaido started when he defeated Oden, without people knowing he used a cheap shot and underhanded tactics, as Oden was hailed as very strong, even had a bounty, and him taking over Wano, hailed as one of the strongest nations in the world, so much that the current FA of the Navy was more worried about the forces in Wano, rather than two of the Yonko when Kizaru offered himself to go there.
Kizaru was only stopped by Akainu due to the unknown military force in Wano. I stress again Wano, meaning Kizaru was gonna go to Wano, not somewhere along the way but Wano. The rumour was made more believable when the people saw Kaido beating people like the SN, and adding them to their crew. Whilst the SN are far away from crème de la crème of OP world, compared to the general populace of the OP world they are pretty strong. Kaido is the easiest Yonko to get to. He himself seeks challenges. Compare that to people trying to invade WCI and having to fight the commanders
Shanks who travels often and his whereabouts are hard to find. People would see Kaido beating strong people, strong as in stronger than the general populace, but nowhere near as strong as top tiers in OP, and thus start the rumor like that.
Notice in the above panels how it's hearsay and a rumor, the same type of rumor like Luffy being a 25-foot-tall monster
Moreover, there are clues laid out that Kaido in fact might not be even human, and thus his supposed title should have no bearing on humans.
Now, I'll present a direct comparison with both Mihawk and Whitebeard. I won't elaborate here, because I've written everything in the panels themselves.
The quotation marks appear in the raw Japanese as well
And no that sbs did not confirm anything. That is the official Viz translation. Even though they are similar, there are small nuances that make it different, such as 'even Kaido' not appearing. Moreover, Oda says world's strongest creature, not living being. In addition, he leaves no doubts to a mother actually being the WSC. He highlights it by saying she is stronger than Kaido, the supposed WSC, and she is thus the actual WSC. There's no room to debate about anything concerning the mother, as opposed to Kaido.
Oda, on his own accord went out of his way to make a distinction.
Now let's talk more about betting on him in a 1 vs 1.
Kaido and Linlin haven't seen each other in decades.
Now for WB.
While it is true that Whitebeard possesses a magnanimous attitude, there is one thing he holds on a higher pedestal than that, and that's his crew and their lives. He was ready to wage war against the entire world in order to get back one of his crew members.
The reputation surrounding the WBP is that if you mess with one of their own you pay for it. Anyone who lays a hand on one of their own should be prepared to face consequences.
When Shanks and WB met, WB stated his crew calls for vengeance and that Teach needs to pay for what he had done
there wasn't a bond between them like between other crews. Moreover, Kaido was merely an apprentice in the Rocks crew
meaning he was very young and had spent significantly less time with WB, not to mention things point to bad relationships between the crew, than BB who had served under WB's flag for decades
The point I am making with this is that WB was ready to kill Teach, someone he called son, someone who had spent decades with him, to avenge a fallen comrade and crew member, as illustrated above.
Kaido is not only the one who killed the man WB himself called his little brother
From what's established about WB, him letting Kaido waltz onto his ship would have to result in Kaido's death. Therefore, logically playing out that situation, from what we know of Whitebeard and how he treats those close to him, going to such lengths as to battle the entire Navy in order to rescue one of his own, it would defy the established behaviour if WB just let Kaido go after beating him.
Even if we were to say that he fought WB, it would result in his losses, thus not helping him with the people say you should bet on Kaido.
I wouldn't be surprised if the rumour about Kaido started when he defeated Oden, without people knowing he used a cheap shot and underhanded tactics, as Oden was hailed as very strong, even had a bounty, and him taking over Wano, hailed as one of the strongest nations in the world, so much that the current FA of the Navy was more worried about the forces in Wano, rather than two of the Yonko when Kizaru offered himself to go there.
His hype isnt shaky
First most people start to underestimate Kaido because Oden cut one wound yeah he got one but Kaido also got him while Kaido remained conscious Oden was down after one hit and Oden is prob Whitebeards first mate level fighter
second strongest creatue or strongest living thing means everything Kaido isnt referred as human as you point out he is referred as thing Whitebeards is as man
So WB title mostly include human males
While Kaidos title includes everything means humans , insects, reptiles , mammal animals , birds
or more it includes the giant Elephant Zou and Sea Kings generally everything he is the top predator in the world
For the title strongest pirate it was explained in the novel and here another explanation while he was an apprentice 40 years Newgate was an full-fledged adult WB was 34 years old while Kaido prob was 14 years or so since apprentices are very young look at Shanks and Buggy or Marco
in the picture where Roger and Garp attacked them he was grown but prob 16 years old just an teenager 38 years later he is just 54 (or younger ) years old roundabout while Wb was 72 (two years ago) thats why the title remained strongest pirate to WB he was also called world strongest man even when Roger was alive
second like the novel pointed out he was more like a pirate than Kaido who is more like a yakuza and does shady businesses with even the goverment
he calls them old man (WB now 74 years old) and Old hag ( linlin 68 years old)
Reminds me of those people who say "WSS is about swordskill" :yasu:
So afaik the novel speaks of a current point of time in the story. At a point Whitebeard is already old and probably sick. I mean the manga said Kaido lost 7 times in the past. So on those 7 occasions, Kaido wasn't the strongest either.
Going by feats, Whitebeard and Roger in their prime are definitely stronger than Kaido. It was made clear that even Oden was a hard obstacle for Kaido and Roger and Primebeard are far above that level.
And when Whitebeard died, it was said that he was the equal of "even" Roger. With Garp saying that he is the king of the seas and Crocodile saying that others are the silver medalists who want to catch up to Roger and Whitebeard. With Doflamingo (one of the people with the most insight) saying that Whitebeard ruled in front of the throne and his death resulted in all other parties having the opportunity to fight for the throne again.
Kaido > pre TS Whitebeard, the old one who was constantly on medication. We in fact haven't even witnessed an old WB that is healthy. He always was on meds.
Plus, the novel don't seem to be databooks. They just tell us the story from another perspective. People's statements and thoughts.
So afaik the novel speaks of a current point of time in the story. At a point Whitebeard is already old and probably sick. I mean the manga said Kaido lost 7 times in the past. So on those 7 occasions, Kaido wasn't the strongest either.
Going by feats, Whitebeard and Roger in their prime are definitely stronger than Kaido. It was made clear that even Oden was a hard obstacle for Kaido and Roger and Primebeard are far above that level.
And when Whitebeard died, it was said that he was the equal of "even" Roger. With Garp saying that he is the king of the seas and Crocodile saying that others are the silver medalists who want to catch up to Roger and Whitebeard. With Doflamingo (one of the people with the most insight) saying that Whitebeard ruled in front of the throne and his death resulted in all other parties having the opportunity to fight for the throne again.
Kaido > pre TS Whitebeard, the old one who was constantly on medication. We in fact haven't even witnessed an old WB that is healthy. He always was on meds.
Plus, the novel don't seem to be databooks. They just tell us the story from another perspective. People's statements and thoughts.
J
Also Viz make mistakes too, even though professional, their translations is 100% credible either.
@EtenBoby did the sbs about mother & kaido has the word "even " or not?
Even if there is no "even" , oda would have just agreed and said "ja the mother is above akainu' why use Kaido? Since per fanboys, kaido title doesnt concern/refer/englobes humans.
WSS is about swordmanship. FACTS
Prime Oden obstacle to non WSC kaido
Young Oden obstacle to Primebeard
@EtenBoby did the sbs about mother & kaido has the word "even " or not?
Even if there is no "even" , oda would have just agreed and said "ja the mother is above akainu' why use Kaido? Since per fanboys, kaido title doesnt concern/refer/englobes humans.
WSS is about swordmanship. FACTS
Prime Oden obstacle to non WSC kaido
Young Oden obstacle to Primebeard
And swordsmanship including having his physical stats maxed out (Zoro while training with heavy weight: "I have to become stronger") and having the highest mastery of Haki possible (Hyo: "by mastering Ryuo, the swordsman becomes one with the blade", Mihawk: "any blade can become a black blade, so master Haki). It's not just about skill.
By clashing with a base WB without harderning?
Roger swatted prime Oden away like a fly with his base power, to then continue and clash with base Primebeard, both using an attack far stronger than what was used to send Oden flying.
By clashing with a base WB without harderning?
Roger swatted prime Oden away like a fly with his base power, to then continue and clash with base Primebeard, both using an attack far stronger than what was used to send Oden flying.
