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Were are you seeing that I'm denying that ? Read slowly if you don't understand something it will avoid you making those type of mistakes.
I'm not denying anything. What I'm saying since the beginning is that those affirmation from Yamato are subversion dialogues. Actual narrative diversion put in place by Oda in order to make you expect something that won't happen in the sole goal of surprising you later on the ending desire of Yamato.
If you don't understand that concept, look around here in my blog: I have explained what a subversion dialogue was. And if you still don't understand the concept well.. 'm sorry I can't do anything for you, you will just have to wait and be surprised.
I'm not denying anything. What I'm saying since the beginning is that those affirmation from Yamato are subversion dialogues. Actual narrative diversion put in place by Oda in order to make you expect something that won't happen in the sole goal of surprising you later on the ending desire of Yamato.
If you don't understand that concept, look around here in my blog: I have explained what a subversion dialogue was. And if you still don't understand the concept well.. 'm sorry I can't do anything for you, you will just have to wait and be surprised.
So I guess where luffy says that he's will be king of pirates doesn't mean anything and with zoro being the WSS 😂 that's was BOLD MOVE oda made Yamato state that she will join luffy he could've done something else with Yamato but no he chose Yamato to say that 😂
Nothing is there special is like how oda did with King and the Oni carrot doesn't show anything that the other minks can't do so try again? 😂😂
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Nothing is there special is like how oda did with King and the Oni carrot doesn't show anything that the other minks can't do so try again? 😂😂
Like I said before no matter what you say Oda is the one who makes Yamato states that she will leave with luffy just like oda make Momo say he will be the shogun of wano 😂.
We all can tell the difference between Yamato and the Beast pirates but can't with carrot and the minks
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We all can tell the difference between Yamato and the Beast pirates but can't with carrot and the minks
You create toxicity by being stubborn and not seeing the point of the other people. Thinking of yourself as some kind of super analyzer that never is wrong and everybody else is stupid compared to you. Although your analysis have been proven often wrong.
you said carrot would react to Luffy’s gear 5-didn’t happen
Yamato and Momo are the only ones that got to witness it properly-you don’t take it into consideration
If you read the story properly you can quite easily tell that if there is gonna be a 10th Nakama it’s gonna be Yamato. The only way that she doesn’t join is if nobody else joins. But Carrot who hasn’t been present in the entire arc is not gonna join.
2nd we are allowed to dislike a character, because said character is
1) weak
2) naive
3) boring
And that doesn’t make us sexist or misogynistic
Every person likes different character types
you said carrot would react to Luffy’s gear 5-didn’t happen
Yamato and Momo are the only ones that got to witness it properly-you don’t take it into consideration
If you read the story properly you can quite easily tell that if there is gonna be a 10th Nakama it’s gonna be Yamato. The only way that she doesn’t join is if nobody else joins. But Carrot who hasn’t been present in the entire arc is not gonna join.
2nd we are allowed to dislike a character, because said character is
1) weak
2) naive
3) boring
And that doesn’t make us sexist or misogynistic
Every person likes different character types
The fact that carrot has basically done nothing in this arc and so far is one big red flag!
The fact that someone actually Defeat carrot’s enemies who are non strawhats is second big red flag.
The fact that your character doesn’t have a an extendable backstory. But it is remarkably similar to that of countless support characters that we have seen in past is third red flag.
The fact that someone else came along has same ambition and has much more trauma and abuse life style. Vs your character who was practically in the background in her flashback. That is fourth red flag. The fact fight your precious bunny girl fight was skip in over in contrast to the straw hats and there alliance is fifth red flag
The fact we haven’t seen carrot reaction to luffy lost to his broadcast and to his reemergence. I think I see another color and it’s red again oh man it’s not looking good for you.
The fact that your character hasn’t shown with any new abilities that make her different than any other character well I guess this in other warm color. It is red again god damn this doesn’t look like your day. Oh well I guess carrot going back to zou.
The fact that someone actually Defeat carrot’s enemies who are non strawhats is second big red flag.
The fact that your character doesn’t have a an extendable backstory. But it is remarkably similar to that of countless support characters that we have seen in past is third red flag.
The fact that someone else came along has same ambition and has much more trauma and abuse life style. Vs your character who was practically in the background in her flashback. That is fourth red flag. The fact fight your precious bunny girl fight was skip in over in contrast to the straw hats and there alliance is fifth red flag
The fact we haven’t seen carrot reaction to luffy lost to his broadcast and to his reemergence. I think I see another color and it’s red again oh man it’s not looking good for you.
The fact that your character hasn’t shown with any new abilities that make her different than any other character well I guess this in other warm color. It is red again god damn this doesn’t look like your day. Oh well I guess carrot going back to zou.
- Here are some of the things Oda made his character states in his Story:
"I will save you Ace" - Luffy to Ace
"We will assassinate Big Mom" - Bege to the strawhats
"Vivi will join us, I'm sure of it" - Luffy to the strawhats
"The mink will kill the samourai if they notice their presence" - The strawhats to themself
"Father" - Momo to Kinemon
"I will avenge Pedro" - Carrot to Wanda
"Katakuri is the perfect brother, his back never touched the ground" Brulee to Luffy
Etc..
Yeah looks like oda never intended to missdirect you.. never.
Lmao.
I'm seeing your point, I'm just saying that you are wrong because of not enough evidences. I can easily be wrong. In fact i'm the only one in this thread who said multiple times "Yeah, I agree, I was wrong". The things is.. i'm your only serious opponent, so you can't picture me as a reasonnable individual, it's logical. My analysis have not been proven wrong, only some of my hypothesis.
No, I said that carrot might react between the activation of gear 5 and the defeat of Kaido. kaido has yet to be defeated so the hypothesis still stands, same for the reasonning.
There was no point made here.
Disliking is not "not caring" about a character, it's the action of hating a character for some reasons. So.. Disliking a character because they are weak or Naive is a sign of a pure toxic and intolerant behavior.
Yup
Perospero was Carrot's antagonist, a antagonist doesn't have to be defeated by the cahracter in question
It's not tho.
In favor of Carrot *
no, it's irrelevant, only the defeat was important and the defeat was shown clearly.
Carrot was outside, irrelevant.
What would it be relevant ?
A lot of irrelevant things here passing for redflags and some in favor of Carrot.. so there is not much here. lol
"I will save you Ace" - Luffy to Ace
"We will assassinate Big Mom" - Bege to the strawhats
"Vivi will join us, I'm sure of it" - Luffy to the strawhats
"The mink will kill the samourai if they notice their presence" - The strawhats to themself
"Father" - Momo to Kinemon
"I will avenge Pedro" - Carrot to Wanda
"Katakuri is the perfect brother, his back never touched the ground" Brulee to Luffy
Etc..
Yeah looks like oda never intended to missdirect you.. never.
Lmao.
I'm seeing your point, I'm just saying that you are wrong because of not enough evidences. I can easily be wrong. In fact i'm the only one in this thread who said multiple times "Yeah, I agree, I was wrong". The things is.. i'm your only serious opponent, so you can't picture me as a reasonnable individual, it's logical. My analysis have not been proven wrong, only some of my hypothesis.
No, I said that carrot might react between the activation of gear 5 and the defeat of Kaido. kaido has yet to be defeated so the hypothesis still stands, same for the reasonning.
There was no point made here.
Disliking is not "not caring" about a character, it's the action of hating a character for some reasons. So.. Disliking a character because they are weak or Naive is a sign of a pure toxic and intolerant behavior.
Yup
Perospero was Carrot's antagonist, a antagonist doesn't have to be defeated by the cahracter in question
It's not tho.
In favor of Carrot *
no, it's irrelevant, only the defeat was important and the defeat was shown clearly.
Carrot was outside, irrelevant.
What would it be relevant ?
A lot of irrelevant things here passing for redflags and some in favor of Carrot.. so there is not much here. lol
this is a really good theory and analysis by someone who knows how to analyze
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Okay! I wanna try and talk to you and see how things go.
Fist think first.
You really believe that Carrot will join even though she has been missing the hole arc? Does this not raise an alarm at all?
I mean every strawhat has had a major role in every arc ever since they joined.
Franky major role in enis lobby
Robin was extremely important in Alabasta although she was not part of the crew. For the story she was extremely relevant and she is actually one of the first people who brought mystery to one piece with her dream of finding out about the void century
Brook had a lot of panel time on thriller bark
Carrot has been missing for way too long, that doesn’t concern you at all?
Second even the panels she has(wci or wano) are not relevant to the story.
Now be honest Yamato has been extremely important ever since she has been introduced and her treatment is proper main character treatment. She actually reminds me a lot of jinbe in Impel down and Marine ford. Always there in the important moment, always reacting and witnessing the important moments.
Also about your subversive dialogue and writing. Maybe Oda expects people will not think that Yamato joins because we expect it and the surprise will be that she actually joins.
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1. Luffy did end up save Ace
2.Bigmom is a freaking Yonko No one thought about she dying by a fucking bomb we see how powerful bigmom is to this day both kidd and law couldn't defeat her no matter what they did
3. Vivi could've joined the crew but she chose to look after her country
4. hmmm idk what to say about this one
5. The kinemon and momo situation are something you shouldn't bring up cause kinemon is momo's father figure no matter what just with sanji and his chef dad
6. No one thinks bum carrot could beat persopero only you carrot fans were hyping up that little quote
7. No one never sees Katakuri on his back except for luffy and Brulee
so all of those examples don't change the fact that Yamato asks luffy to join his crew and tell kaido that she is leaving with luffy
and the first thing Yamato always wants to do is go out to sea and have adventures like oden 😂😂
1. Luffy did end up save Ace
2.Bigmom is a freaking Yonko No one thought about she dying by a fucking bomb we see how powerful bigmom is to this day both kidd and law couldn't defeat her no matter what they did
3. Vivi could've joined the crew but she chose to look after her country
4. hmmm idk what to say about this one
5. The kinemon and momo situation are something you shouldn't bring up cause kinemon is momo's father figure no matter what just with sanji and his chef dad
6. No one thinks bum carrot could beat persopero only you carrot fans were hyping up that little quote
7. No one never sees Katakuri on his back except for luffy and Brulee
so all of those examples don't change the fact that Yamato asks luffy to join his crew and tell kaido that she is leaving with luffy
and the first thing Yamato always wants to do is go out to sea and have adventures like oden 😂😂
Wrong on the first sentence. What Yamato is trying to replicate with Oden is not his will to help Wano, but to be free and to escape at sea. When Yamato tries to protect Wano she uses her actual name: Yamato. Se chapter named "my name is Yamato"... "and I would die for you"
The last part might be right but this implies exactly what i've been trying to tell you: That Yamato will change at the end of the arc.. both in term of identity and in term of desire. So it's a point for me.
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Third paragraph is right on the beginning but change into a missinterpretation. yamato didn't become Oden become noone else could protect Wano. Yamato became Oden because Oden had a amazing impact on her. yamato became Oden because Oden was free and had the courage to take that freedom.
Wrong on the rest. Brook didn't want to leave and to sail out to sea. He wanted to get his shadow back at all cost. Sailing with Luffy was but a consequence of his actual desire to see Laboon back. But brook was indeed trapped just like Carrot was symbolically "trapped" just like Robin was trapped by her conscience, just like Kyros was trapped by his appearance, just like Sanji was trapped by his guilt etc..
Being trapped is not common to the strawhats, it's the main reason behind the characterization of most characters in the story. So just making a parrallel between Brook and Yamato is pretty much irrelevant. Of course they were trapped and of course Luffy saved them.. that's what he do for everyone.
"Oda has deliberately ensured to make us aware of Yamato’s desire to go to sea by her constantly saying the statement in the below picture, and it isn’t ironic that luffy, the man that is known for breaking shackles and bondages"
Yes while making sure that everything she actually did was to help Wano and not the actual strawhats. hi subversion dialogue.
"but not everything has to be made into a complicated theory"
A subversion dialogue and saying that yamato will change her desire is not a "complicated theory", it's a basic hypothesis based on a basic storytelling technique. A child can understand it. yamato fans on the contrary.. don't seem to be able to do that...
"he places the answer right in front of us"
Yeah... the answer is placed right in front of you all. Carrot
An author like Oda is not "obvious" he usessubversion.. Even kids who reads One Piece know that.
"and this time he is saying that Yamato will join the crew"
Nah, the opposite actually
"he is also freeing Yamato from her physical jail and psychological affliction."
Like he did for every important arc character. yamato is not special in that context.
"The introduction of adult momo, the yakuza, the re-introduction of the akazaya, the unification of wano, ALL of this is leading to the freedom of Yamato."
I completely agree with that. Problem: For Yamato fans there is only one way to be free. When the reality is different: Choosing our own path is the ultimate freedom.
"One of the main themes of this arc have been freedom from subjugation, and that is the element for EVERY straw-hat that has joined the crew."
Problem: yamato did not decide to join Luffy after being freed but BEFORE encountering him. So this pointdoes not apply to Yamato.
"To wrap this up, Oda is making Yamato a character that is bearing the responsibility of a legend, but she no longer needs to bear that weight, as the glorious Wano of past is ready to be reformed as soon as the subjugator of freedom (Kaido) is defeated by Luffy"
Exactly and that's why she is being written as a guide for Momo and not a strawhat. Her path will lead to wano, not the sea.
"Oda has already laid the ground work for Yamato to join"
No he has not. There are a lot of key elements missing for Yamato to join smoothly the strawhat narratively (a dynamic with the crew / a role etc.) basic but important stuff.
"her alluding to Luffy as being “special”"
More like what Ace told her. Yamato has yet to understand what being the King of the pirate means to Luffy.
"if she is not a straw hat by the end of this arc, it’d be puzzling, as Oda does not put this much focus on characters who he doesn’t intend to have joining the crew."
The reason would be your illegitimate expectation and your feeling that because that your are a fan, you understand everything about One Piece and thus are legitimate to expect Yamato to join the crew when the reality is in fact just a subversion to make you expect Yamato but to put another strawhat at her place... someone you DON'T expect.
Basic narration logic.
No it's not.
It's the same thing I have debunked multiple time here already. The few good point are in fact not in favor of Yamato.
You have debunked nothing lmao xD
All of those are subversion. They are here to make you expect something (and everything here was expected by the fanbase weither you like it or not) and giving you something else. Yamato joining is the same basic principle.
You would need to be completely blind not to see that lol
The last part might be right but this implies exactly what i've been trying to tell you: That Yamato will change at the end of the arc.. both in term of identity and in term of desire. So it's a point for me.
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Third paragraph is right on the beginning but change into a missinterpretation. yamato didn't become Oden become noone else could protect Wano. Yamato became Oden because Oden had a amazing impact on her. yamato became Oden because Oden was free and had the courage to take that freedom.
Wrong on the rest. Brook didn't want to leave and to sail out to sea. He wanted to get his shadow back at all cost. Sailing with Luffy was but a consequence of his actual desire to see Laboon back. But brook was indeed trapped just like Carrot was symbolically "trapped" just like Robin was trapped by her conscience, just like Kyros was trapped by his appearance, just like Sanji was trapped by his guilt etc..
Being trapped is not common to the strawhats, it's the main reason behind the characterization of most characters in the story. So just making a parrallel between Brook and Yamato is pretty much irrelevant. Of course they were trapped and of course Luffy saved them.. that's what he do for everyone.
"Oda has deliberately ensured to make us aware of Yamato’s desire to go to sea by her constantly saying the statement in the below picture, and it isn’t ironic that luffy, the man that is known for breaking shackles and bondages"
Yes while making sure that everything she actually did was to help Wano and not the actual strawhats. hi subversion dialogue.
"but not everything has to be made into a complicated theory"
A subversion dialogue and saying that yamato will change her desire is not a "complicated theory", it's a basic hypothesis based on a basic storytelling technique. A child can understand it. yamato fans on the contrary.. don't seem to be able to do that...
"he places the answer right in front of us"
Yeah... the answer is placed right in front of you all. Carrot
An author like Oda is not "obvious" he usessubversion.. Even kids who reads One Piece know that.
"and this time he is saying that Yamato will join the crew"
Nah, the opposite actually
"he is also freeing Yamato from her physical jail and psychological affliction."
Like he did for every important arc character. yamato is not special in that context.
"The introduction of adult momo, the yakuza, the re-introduction of the akazaya, the unification of wano, ALL of this is leading to the freedom of Yamato."
I completely agree with that. Problem: For Yamato fans there is only one way to be free. When the reality is different: Choosing our own path is the ultimate freedom.
"One of the main themes of this arc have been freedom from subjugation, and that is the element for EVERY straw-hat that has joined the crew."
Problem: yamato did not decide to join Luffy after being freed but BEFORE encountering him. So this pointdoes not apply to Yamato.
"To wrap this up, Oda is making Yamato a character that is bearing the responsibility of a legend, but she no longer needs to bear that weight, as the glorious Wano of past is ready to be reformed as soon as the subjugator of freedom (Kaido) is defeated by Luffy"
Exactly and that's why she is being written as a guide for Momo and not a strawhat. Her path will lead to wano, not the sea.
"Oda has already laid the ground work for Yamato to join"
No he has not. There are a lot of key elements missing for Yamato to join smoothly the strawhat narratively (a dynamic with the crew / a role etc.) basic but important stuff.
"her alluding to Luffy as being “special”"
More like what Ace told her. Yamato has yet to understand what being the King of the pirate means to Luffy.
"if she is not a straw hat by the end of this arc, it’d be puzzling, as Oda does not put this much focus on characters who he doesn’t intend to have joining the crew."
The reason would be your illegitimate expectation and your feeling that because that your are a fan, you understand everything about One Piece and thus are legitimate to expect Yamato to join the crew when the reality is in fact just a subversion to make you expect Yamato but to put another strawhat at her place... someone you DON'T expect.
Basic narration logic.
No it's not.
It's the same thing I have debunked multiple time here already. The few good point are in fact not in favor of Yamato.
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You have debunked nothing lmao xD
All of those are subversion. They are here to make you expect something (and everything here was expected by the fanbase weither you like it or not) and giving you something else. Yamato joining is the same basic principle.
You would need to be completely blind not to see that lol
No, it's perfectly logical. I'm facing guys who (mostly) don't have a clew about storytelling technics and I've analysed Carrot's journey for multiple year.. so i'm more encline to understand her future than you guy and more encline to understand the trap setup by Oda.
The fact that the majority of the fanbase is falling in Oda's "Yamato" trap is perfectly logical to me. If I was just a random fan, I would have the same point of view as you guyz.
So ?
No she wasn't. She only had a slight relevance stopping Vivi but nothing really "important". The story about the poneglyph and her relationship to it only came after she joined.
Go read this arc again, you will see that it's mostly wrong. Compared to Carrot on whole cake, Brook as a LOT LESS panel time.
No, her absence doesn't negate her previous development and her previous development only is enough for Carrot to jump back on the Sunny at the end of wano.
Wrong. Go read Whole cake again.
Or like Kyros in dressrosa. Yamato is treated like a support character and at best as a main character arc.
Like rebecca or Viola.
That's the complete opposite of what he is writing. You don't make your character say "I will join Luffy" if you don't expect your reader to believe said character. You are not making any sence here.
No, just a young desire to be free. Nothing illogical.
The fact that the majority of the fanbase is falling in Oda's "Yamato" trap is perfectly logical to me. If I was just a random fan, I would have the same point of view as you guyz.
So ?
No she wasn't. She only had a slight relevance stopping Vivi but nothing really "important". The story about the poneglyph and her relationship to it only came after she joined.
Go read this arc again, you will see that it's mostly wrong. Compared to Carrot on whole cake, Brook as a LOT LESS panel time.
No, her absence doesn't negate her previous development and her previous development only is enough for Carrot to jump back on the Sunny at the end of wano.
Wrong. Go read Whole cake again.
Or like Kyros in dressrosa. Yamato is treated like a support character and at best as a main character arc.
Like rebecca or Viola.
That's the complete opposite of what he is writing. You don't make your character say "I will join Luffy" if you don't expect your reader to believe said character. You are not making any sence here.
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No, just a young desire to be free. Nothing illogical.
God u are so delusional cause luffy at that age wanted to be the king of pirates, Robin wanted to read the Rio Poneglyph, Sanji wanted to find the all blue, chopper wanted to cure every disease in the world, nami wanted to draw a map of the world, usopp wanted to be a brave warrior, zoro wanted to be the greatest swordsman in the world all of them saying that they wanted to do something at a very young age meanwhile Yamato also states that she wanted to go out to sea at a young age too 👀.
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