Only Will is shown Yamato to have is the “WILL of Kozuki Oden” not of the devil fruit and how can the fruit choose her? Was luffy chosen by his devil fruit? I think you guys didn't have any argument about the devil fruit till the Nika fruit revealed and the zoan had a will of itself cause Yamato hadn't been shown anything that points to her devil fruit
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Sure let's say youre right. I dont have any proof of it now. But let the story unfold by itself. If it's wrong, it is wrong. If it's right, it is right. Let's call it an end now
But I'd say something before ending it. There is a case about imperfect devil fruit that takes its user will when triggered by dango. Apparently, it is imperfect because the user only get partially the zoan power. The power is not synchronized perfectly so is the will. That could make the case to differentiate Caesar's fruit or the real zoan fruit, let alone the real god zoan devil fruit. It's just theory tho
But I'd say something before ending it. There is a case about imperfect devil fruit that takes its user will when triggered by dango. Apparently, it is imperfect because the user only get partially the zoan power. The power is not synchronized perfectly so is the will. That could make the case to differentiate Caesar's fruit or the real zoan fruit, let alone the real god zoan devil fruit. It's just theory tho
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Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Franky and Jinbei have all been protectors of their islands.
The general reaction to that has been to tell them to go and follow their hearts and dreams, be a Strawhat and leave the island to fend for itself because they’ve done enough.
Vivi’s the only one who has done otherwise and chosen her people over her bond with the crew. Vivi’s not Yamato though. Vivi never had a dream to leave. She left, enjoyed her time, but it was all because she wanted to save her country. Vivi was also the direct heir to the throne, which Yamato obviously is not, the closest to that is Momo.
Yamato certainly is what her DF is. She is the protector of Wano. That’s no reason to restrict her to staying there. She’s not going to leave and just wave Wano goodbye in the rear window. Like Jinbei and FI, her reasons for going with the crew, should she do it, will be for Wano. As it’s protector.
The general reaction to that has been to tell them to go and follow their hearts and dreams, be a Strawhat and leave the island to fend for itself because they’ve done enough.
Vivi’s the only one who has done otherwise and chosen her people over her bond with the crew. Vivi’s not Yamato though. Vivi never had a dream to leave. She left, enjoyed her time, but it was all because she wanted to save her country. Vivi was also the direct heir to the throne, which Yamato obviously is not, the closest to that is Momo.
Yamato certainly is what her DF is. She is the protector of Wano. That’s no reason to restrict her to staying there. She’s not going to leave and just wave Wano goodbye in the rear window. Like Jinbei and FI, her reasons for going with the crew, should she do it, will be for Wano. As it’s protector.
Wait what's the difference from luffy and yamato devil fruit?
I dont have an explanation for marco and kaido. Because the story giving so little about them. But that can be answer by this questions:
- what their true mythical animal do in the ancient past do they protecting something or do something or do they just simply existed with additional power with no purpose? Are they god? Cant their body separated into 2 parts (torso and head) ? Lol or do they have rotating mane to fly?
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I dont have an explanation for marco and kaido. Because the story giving so little about them. But that can be answer by this questions:
- what their true mythical animal do in the ancient past do they protecting something or do something or do they just simply existed with additional power with no purpose? Are they god? Cant their body separated into 2 parts (torso and head) ? Lol or do they have rotating mane to fly?
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And that is a major factor. Just because Wano will be free doesn't mean Wano does not still need Yamato as a Guardian Deity. After all Wano needs to make sure someone like Kaido doesn't take over again.
Nothing in Wano for Yamato? Disagree. Yamato has Momo, Shinobu, and any Wano citizen who accepts Yamato after the war. Yamato gains a home worth protecting.
Did we see Alabasta citizens praying to their Guardians? I don't recall that they did. Regardless, we do not know much about what the Wano citizens know about their Guardian Deities.
Oda stated through Kaido that Yamato is to be a Guardian Deity for Wano. Just because Kaido states this for his own desire doesn't negate that Yamato is actively guarding Wano against Kaido nor does it negate the possibility of Yamato staying...at least during the rebuild, transition of power, and opening of Wano's borders.
Did Pell and Chaka leave Alabasta to travel with the Strawhats? No. They stayed as Guardians protecting their kingdom which makes narrative sense. Also Luffy never invited them...same as Yamato currently.
Yet those who believe Yamato will join have no retort for those comparisons and connections.
Wano = Japan
Mythical Wolf Zoan Fruit that is connected to Japan through Wano.
From Yamato's OP wiki:
The Ōkuchi-no-Magami or Ōguchi-no-Makami (大口真神, Ōkuchi-no-Magami or Ōguchi-no-Makami? lit. "Large-Mouthed True God") is the deification of the extinct Japanese gray wolf, once worshipped in Japan as a guardian of humans.
Guardian of Wano citizens = Guardian of Japanese people
Yamato is an Oden fan. Oden is Momo's father. Momo has been aged to be 28 years old which happens to be the same age Yamato is. Also it has been hinted by Shinobu that grown Momo looks like Oden. A partnership is forming with each new interaction between Yamato and Momo. They both get to witness together Luffy fighting Kaido probably to its finale.
If not for Yamato exclaiming wanting to leave Kaido's Wano or meeting Ace then the narrative points to Yamato becoming a Guardian Deity of Wano as a Kozuki retainer.
Join the Strawhat Grand Fleet? Page One and Ulti don't seem like the biggest fans. Do they have their own divisions or are all of them under the same division?
Nothing in Wano for Yamato? Disagree. Yamato has Momo, Shinobu, and any Wano citizen who accepts Yamato after the war. Yamato gains a home worth protecting.
Did we see Alabasta citizens praying to their Guardians? I don't recall that they did. Regardless, we do not know much about what the Wano citizens know about their Guardian Deities.
Oda stated through Kaido that Yamato is to be a Guardian Deity for Wano. Just because Kaido states this for his own desire doesn't negate that Yamato is actively guarding Wano against Kaido nor does it negate the possibility of Yamato staying...at least during the rebuild, transition of power, and opening of Wano's borders.
Did Pell and Chaka leave Alabasta to travel with the Strawhats? No. They stayed as Guardians protecting their kingdom which makes narrative sense. Also Luffy never invited them...same as Yamato currently.
Yet those who believe Yamato will join have no retort for those comparisons and connections.
Wano = Japan
Mythical Wolf Zoan Fruit that is connected to Japan through Wano.
From Yamato's OP wiki:
The Ōkuchi-no-Magami or Ōguchi-no-Makami (大口真神, Ōkuchi-no-Magami or Ōguchi-no-Makami? lit. "Large-Mouthed True God") is the deification of the extinct Japanese gray wolf, once worshipped in Japan as a guardian of humans.
Guardian of Wano citizens = Guardian of Japanese people
Yamato is an Oden fan. Oden is Momo's father. Momo has been aged to be 28 years old which happens to be the same age Yamato is. Also it has been hinted by Shinobu that grown Momo looks like Oden. A partnership is forming with each new interaction between Yamato and Momo. They both get to witness together Luffy fighting Kaido probably to its finale.
If not for Yamato exclaiming wanting to leave Kaido's Wano or meeting Ace then the narrative points to Yamato becoming a Guardian Deity of Wano as a Kozuki retainer.
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Join the Strawhat Grand Fleet? Page One and Ulti don't seem like the biggest fans. Do they have their own divisions or are all of them under the same division?
WsW isn't even sure about Nika...
Meanwhile, Kaido is just speculating on Makami's fate because his only knowledge of the DF is that it's the guardian deity... Also, he speculated that Luffy isn't Joyboy and he doesn't have any idea about Nika... For all we know, Makami might be meant to be fetched by Nika in his return to open the borders of Wano (aka the guard is being relieved by its master because the gates are now open)...
Meanwhile, Kaido is just speculating on Makami's fate because his only knowledge of the DF is that it's the guardian deity... Also, he speculated that Luffy isn't Joyboy and he doesn't have any idea about Nika... For all we know, Makami might be meant to be fetched by Nika in his return to open the borders of Wano (aka the guard is being relieved by its master because the gates are now open)...
She was prisoner all her life and only thing that give her hope was Oden logbook. Oden logbook is compilation of his travels and adventures and that is Oden that Yamato know, free adventurer Oden, not daimyo Oden. Doesn`t make any sense for her to be freed from Kaido to again be imprisoned by her devil fruit. Oden is vessel for Yamato, that help her express her desire for freedom, not someone on whom mistakes she will learn nor will she be one to correct Odens mistakes by staying in Wano. Yamato`s Wano character arc will be finished when she realize all that.
I prefer the idea that the gifters will become Wano’s guards to protect the land from any outside possible threats be it pirates, WG or marines.
Her fruit chose her that’s the thing with zoan DF let alone a mythical one, but Oda actually played with the idea of Kaido and Oden’s children in the way that the son of Wano hero having the villain’s artificial copy of his DF while the daughter of Wano’s villain having a DF that is a protector of the island plus she loves Oden.
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Her fruit chose her that’s the thing with zoan DF let alone a mythical one, but Oda actually played with the idea of Kaido and Oden’s children in the way that the son of Wano hero having the villain’s artificial copy of his DF while the daughter of Wano’s villain having a DF that is a protector of the island plus she loves Oden.
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You don't think the Wano citizens will find out who helped with their freedom? Shogun Momonosuke will surely make an announcement about what has transpired.
It doesn't matter that Yamato was not born in Wano. Yamato is more or less a Wano citizen being lived there for 20+ years.
Yamato considering being a samurai, having multiple parallels with Momo, and having a supposed Wano Guardian Deity Devil Fruit makes Yamato more connected to Wano then the Strawhats.
Yamato wanting to leave does not mean leaving with Luffy. Yamato could easily leave with Momo when Wano opens the borders.
Yamato waited 2 years for Luffy after Ace. This though is when Yamato thought the Kozuki clan was wiped out. Momo's return changes Yamato's plans.
But Yamato states they are Oden. If Yamato is going to make such a bold claim then Yamato should actually follow through on it. Be Oden! What would Oden do if he was still alive? Protect his children, retainers, and the Wano citizens.
It seems that Yamato4nakama want Yamato to be the Oden that left for Laughtale rather than the Oden that sacrificed his life to protect Wano.
The retainer part is Yamato deciding to make sure Momonosuke stays protected (as Oden), let's Yamato be a samurai, AND allows Yamato to be under the Kozuki clan. Seems fitting for Yamato.
I don't understand why Oda would have Yamato bond with Momonosuke over numerous chapters just to leave high and dry. If Yamato was really leaving with Luffy then it makes more sense narratively for Yamato to establish bonds with the other Strawhats then with Momo, no? What is the point of Momo and Yamato interacting this much?
It doesn't matter that Yamato was not born in Wano. Yamato is more or less a Wano citizen being lived there for 20+ years.
Yamato considering being a samurai, having multiple parallels with Momo, and having a supposed Wano Guardian Deity Devil Fruit makes Yamato more connected to Wano then the Strawhats.
Yamato wanting to leave does not mean leaving with Luffy. Yamato could easily leave with Momo when Wano opens the borders.
Yamato waited 2 years for Luffy after Ace. This though is when Yamato thought the Kozuki clan was wiped out. Momo's return changes Yamato's plans.
But Yamato states they are Oden. If Yamato is going to make such a bold claim then Yamato should actually follow through on it. Be Oden! What would Oden do if he was still alive? Protect his children, retainers, and the Wano citizens.
It seems that Yamato4nakama want Yamato to be the Oden that left for Laughtale rather than the Oden that sacrificed his life to protect Wano.
The retainer part is Yamato deciding to make sure Momonosuke stays protected (as Oden), let's Yamato be a samurai, AND allows Yamato to be under the Kozuki clan. Seems fitting for Yamato.
I don't understand why Oda would have Yamato bond with Momonosuke over numerous chapters just to leave high and dry. If Yamato was really leaving with Luffy then it makes more sense narratively for Yamato to establish bonds with the other Strawhats then with Momo, no? What is the point of Momo and Yamato interacting this much?
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