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Yup but It was a seige and different from plains warfare. It's going to be a different situation and now it's against a professional army not citizens.
Considering the dialogs of Kanki, he's been planning for this situation right from the beginning and also looking quite confident. So either some serious damage to Zhou's army or slaying some big shots is definitely incoming.
Considering the dialogs of Kanki, he's been planning for this situation right from the beginning and also looking quite confident. So either some serious damage to Zhou's army or slaying some big shots is definitely incoming.
Kanki’s army is not a professional army but I get your point lol.
I didn’t see those dialogues lol. But regardless, I maintain that Riboku is taking this W. Like I said, Kanki won’t roll over and may show some very impressive tactics but I still heavily doubt he wins this battle.
Kanki could retreat with a small unit but he’d have left the entire Qin army to die lol, that would definitely be a huge victory for Riboku.
And I question how effective Kanki’s nighttime tactics will be against Riboku. But Kanki still has yet to show us the full strength of the Saki clan who I imagine we will see more of here.
I didn’t see those dialogues lol. But regardless, I maintain that Riboku is taking this W. Like I said, Kanki won’t roll over and may show some very impressive tactics but I still heavily doubt he wins this battle.
Kanki could retreat with a small unit but he’d have left the entire Qin army to die lol, that would definitely be a huge victory for Riboku.
And I question how effective Kanki’s nighttime tactics will be against Riboku. But Kanki still has yet to show us the full strength of the Saki clan who I imagine we will see more of here.
Yup bandits. Lol
But still better than a few thousand soldiers and civilians.
This war should really goes as a W for Riboku. Considering its going to be the end of Zhao soon and as one of the biggest enemy of Qin, he should at least get one win at home. Lol
But still Kanki going to make Zhao bleed heavily before anything happens to him.
Even if he's going to retreat, it will be happening after Zhao taking some big loss as well. Kanki isn't going to let Riboku has such big treat. Lol
Saki clan as well as Zenou both are still absent.
But still better than a few thousand soldiers and civilians.
This war should really goes as a W for Riboku. Considering its going to be the end of Zhao soon and as one of the biggest enemy of Qin, he should at least get one win at home. Lol
But still Kanki going to make Zhao bleed heavily before anything happens to him.
Even if he's going to retreat, it will be happening after Zhao taking some big loss as well. Kanki isn't going to let Riboku has such big treat. Lol
Saki clan as well as Zenou both are still absent.
I could possibly be the only one who doesn't expect SBS to show up, lol. Dude already sent his best Generals out front and Seika being close to Ordo's territory he really can't just leave it unattended. Plus, with the numbers that Riboku got it would be a big L in Riboku's book if SBS comes save his ass.
But seriously Kanki is such a troll, he pulled up such a bizarre formation only to stall the enemy by confusing them. The night battle is gonna be epic cause Kanki and his group of Bandits are on advantage here whereas Riboku also got advantage of numbers.
can never get tired of seeing Riboku get outsmarted.
But seriously Kanki is such a troll, he pulled up such a bizarre formation only to stall the enemy by confusing them. The night battle is gonna be epic cause Kanki and his group of Bandits are on advantage here whereas Riboku also got advantage of numbers.
Once again ending with Riboku sweating :
Yeah true. Kanki is still far behind Zhao army because of numbers game but the way in which he outsmarted RBK is so good lol. While Riboku has SBS in his wings, Kanki has Ousen army and that huge army which fled after it was attacked by Seika generals to fall back on to help him if he stalls long enough for both of them to recover. Plus Hi Shin and Gaku ka are like detached units and can help Kanki army if they want by using hit run like Mouten did during the previous war against Kisui. Kanki really loves these kind of challenges lol. I’m impressed
Yeah everyone knew Kanki wasn’t going to get folded but I think a lot of people are jumping the gun here.
This is the same Riboku who, after Ousen and Makou had hit Kisui’s army so hard that Qin forces were thinking that the Qin had just won the left, turned around and assassinated Makou which completely invalidated all of Qin’s gains and now had the Zhao in the winning seat, in just one move. Lol
Kanki will flex but Riboku is the one to fear right now and always.
This is the same Riboku who, after Ousen and Makou had hit Kisui’s army so hard that Qin forces were thinking that the Qin had just won the left, turned around and assassinated Makou which completely invalidated all of Qin’s gains and now had the Zhao in the winning seat, in just one move. Lol
Kanki will flex but Riboku is the one to fear right now and always.
Exactly. Entire stage was set by Riboku, now they're fighting on his terms and the dude has twice the forces plus individually superior generals. If SBS has anything to do with him winning I'm gonna riot lol.
SBS can fuck up Ousen's forces if he sends some on the way to help Kanki.
Well i think Kanki will use the night for his advantage but what realistically could Kanki pull?
He can't use his guerrilla tactics/surprise attacks and Riboku fought night battles himself.
He is. And if he does go down then in epic fashion as we're used of Kanki but Riboku's usual overconfidence followed by him getting outsmarted is getting annoying lol.
Riboku is definitely a monster but crushing Kanki under these circumstances is a must imo. Kanki can pull whatever he wants, unless there's a force lying dormant somewhere he can't pull a miracle here.
SBS can fuck up Ousen's forces if he sends some on the way to help Kanki.
Well i think Kanki will use the night for his advantage but what realistically could Kanki pull?
He can't use his guerrilla tactics/surprise attacks and Riboku fought night battles himself.
He is. And if he does go down then in epic fashion as we're used of Kanki but Riboku's usual overconfidence followed by him getting outsmarted is getting annoying lol.
Riboku is definitely a monster but crushing Kanki under these circumstances is a must imo. Kanki can pull whatever he wants, unless there's a force lying dormant somewhere he can't pull a miracle here.
That’s always been an element of what makes Riboku so dangerous though. He persuades other commanders to join him and fight according to his wishes. It’s a very underrated aspect of his strength and I hate when people underestimate Riboku for this. Ousen wishes he had Riboku’s level of persuasion.
Riboku getting Shibashou to help him against Kanki is like the equivalent of Ousen persuading Moubu to join him lol. It hypes Riboku’s own intelligence and political acumen. We’ve never seen any other General pull generals out their ass like the Godboku does. Lol
Ousen is castled at Atsuyo. Shibashou is not a seige General, he is a “fuck you up on the plains” General. Shibashou trying to seige Ousen is a W for Ousen lol.
Riboku getting Shibashou to help him against Kanki is like the equivalent of Ousen persuading Moubu to join him lol. It hypes Riboku’s own intelligence and political acumen. We’ve never seen any other General pull generals out their ass like the Godboku does. Lol
Ousen is castled at Atsuyo. Shibashou is not a seige General, he is a “fuck you up on the plains” General. Shibashou trying to seige Ousen is a W for Ousen lol.
But that way the stupid notion that Riboku is carried by another monster by his side will never dissappear. His legacy will literally be tainted by this. Duke Hyou would've taken his head if not for Houken or we assume Riboku would've defeated the Duke which i doubt personally.
I think with this battle literally being the dream battle for Riboku with all possible odds at his favor:
- Choosing the place
- More than twice the numbers
- superior individual generals and having more of them.
- Higher moral due to Zhao being at the brink of extinction.
If apart of all this another Duke situation arises that's a massive L for Riboku bro and we can't prefend like it ain't. I personally think that's not going to happen but the fear is present lol.
I mean Ousen sending maybe So'ou or Denrimi to help Kanki and them being cut off/killed by SBS. This could very well be his role of the battle. Prevent forces to help Kanki.
I think with this battle literally being the dream battle for Riboku with all possible odds at his favor:
- Choosing the place
- More than twice the numbers
- superior individual generals and having more of them.
- Higher moral due to Zhao being at the brink of extinction.
If apart of all this another Duke situation arises that's a massive L for Riboku bro and we can't prefend like it ain't. I personally think that's not going to happen but the fear is present lol.
I mean Ousen sending maybe So'ou or Denrimi to help Kanki and them being cut off/killed by SBS. This could very well be his role of the battle. Prevent forces to help Kanki.
There is no need to assume Riboku even needed to fight Duke Hyou lol. Remember Riboku’s horse/horsemen are the fastest in China, he could’ve very easily retreated into a Sea of Coalition soldiers leaving Duke Hyou and his men to die by drowning. Riboku also didn’t need to honor duel Duke Hyou, he could’ve just ordered all his soldiers to attack Duke Hyou simultaneously. He himself could’ve joined in, and there goes Duke Hyou’s head. Duke Hyou would’ve had no counter to either of these plays given his massive numerical disadvantage.
But regardless, Riboku using other powerful generals is not a stain on his legacy, it shows how he is such a resourceful commander that he can always persuade other commanders to join his cause. Like I said, no other commander in Kingdom is able to rally other commanders to his side like Riboku is. It is literally a part of what makes him the best in China. Ouki and Renpa win wars by swinging their Glaive, Riboku wins by convincing everyone and their mother (literally) to join his cause. Riboku even had fucking Shunshinkun acting as his pawn lol.
This is not a stain on his legacy, this is what makes him the best antagonist in Kingdon, imo.
Well like I just said, there is literally zero indication that Duke Hyou would’ve actually been able to defeat Riboku even if Houken was absent lol.
And Kanki is surely going to get some serious hype here even if he is defeated. What I’m curious about is to whether or not people will start downplaying Kanki if the tables turn, and by that I mean if Shin and Mouten are the only reasons this upcoming battle appears to even be close.
Why would Ousen fragment his already fragmented army though? The whole point of him staying behind is to recoup the strength of his forces.
But regardless, Riboku using other powerful generals is not a stain on his legacy, it shows how he is such a resourceful commander that he can always persuade other commanders to join his cause. Like I said, no other commander in Kingdom is able to rally other commanders to his side like Riboku is. It is literally a part of what makes him the best in China. Ouki and Renpa win wars by swinging their Glaive, Riboku wins by convincing everyone and their mother (literally) to join his cause. Riboku even had fucking Shunshinkun acting as his pawn lol.
This is not a stain on his legacy, this is what makes him the best antagonist in Kingdon, imo.
Well like I just said, there is literally zero indication that Duke Hyou would’ve actually been able to defeat Riboku even if Houken was absent lol.
And Kanki is surely going to get some serious hype here even if he is defeated. What I’m curious about is to whether or not people will start downplaying Kanki if the tables turn, and by that I mean if Shin and Mouten are the only reasons this upcoming battle appears to even be close.
Why would Ousen fragment his already fragmented army though? The whole point of him staying behind is to recoup the strength of his forces.
Given by how the Duke acted i doubt that was a possibility though, why even attempt to get Riboku in the first place knowing that it's impossible to reach him.
Just look how close they are to each other lol. Duke Hyou is a guy that sends hordes of soldiers flying with a single swing. The couple fodder soldiers next to Riboku wouldn't change anything. I'm pretty certain that Riboku was history if not for Houken and the Duke would've died anyways.
You're right, this is also the reason why Riboku could just casually form a coalition army. The dude is just THE legend. I just want Riboku to finish a GG off without the help of Houken or SBS. In the end they still fell short for Riboku's wits this won't change. He doesn't need to jump like against Makou but just completely annihilate Kanki by crushing his formations or whatever he pulls head on. I think we can expect that with this much prep time.
Disagree my man.
Wouldn't even make sense. This battle is worse than against Kochou or YTW fighting the Quanrong. Kanki can only come out looking like a god.
By getting word that Qin's forces are about to be history if nothing is done. Not sure about that part but i wonder if SBS has a special role or is just chilling somewhere in Zhao's HQ.
They can but i think you two totally underestimate that situation. Riboku clearly with no thought imagined his technique to be conquered thus i doubt that with the Duke in his face he could just easily pull another formation. The Duke would easily dispose of the few soldiers that'd jump in front of Riboku.
Just look how close they are to each other lol. Duke Hyou is a guy that sends hordes of soldiers flying with a single swing. The couple fodder soldiers next to Riboku wouldn't change anything. I'm pretty certain that Riboku was history if not for Houken and the Duke would've died anyways.
You're right, this is also the reason why Riboku could just casually form a coalition army. The dude is just THE legend. I just want Riboku to finish a GG off without the help of Houken or SBS. In the end they still fell short for Riboku's wits this won't change. He doesn't need to jump like against Makou but just completely annihilate Kanki by crushing his formations or whatever he pulls head on. I think we can expect that with this much prep time.
Disagree my man.
Wouldn't even make sense. This battle is worse than against Kochou or YTW fighting the Quanrong. Kanki can only come out looking like a god.
By getting word that Qin's forces are about to be history if nothing is done. Not sure about that part but i wonder if SBS has a special role or is just chilling somewhere in Zhao's HQ.
They can but i think you two totally underestimate that situation. Riboku clearly with no thought imagined his technique to be conquered thus i doubt that with the Duke in his face he could just easily pull another formation. The Duke would easily dispose of the few soldiers that'd jump in front of Riboku.
Huh? That’s like asking why the Qin would even try to defend themselves when Shouheikun stated that defending themselves from the Coalition army wasn’t possible. “Why didn’t the Qin just roll over and die?” Lol
If he’s fighting Riboku 1v1 and he gets stabbed in the back, he’s not going to last very long lol. Don’t forget Gokei fought Duke Hyou for a time and I’m pretty positive Riboku is stronger than Gokei.
But also, Duke Hyou isn’t going to last against an army of 40k by himself, no matter how many men he can kill with one swing.
If he’s fighting Riboku 1v1 and he gets stabbed in the back, he’s not going to last very long lol. Don’t forget Gokei fought Duke Hyou for a time and I’m pretty positive Riboku is stronger than Gokei.
But also, Duke Hyou isn’t going to last against an army of 40k by himself, no matter how many men he can kill with one swing.
INB4 Kanki unleashes some new clan that use dark tactics
lmao yeah, forgot thta exists
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