Hmmm... Are those random animals from Elbaf and thus stronger than Chopper's monster form or what? :D
Overall I'm chill with people wanting their fav characters in the crew, but not with aggressive & delusional ones. It's like yay I like Marco, he'd be a perfect SH! Ofc not and I understand he won't ever join. So I don't create a "subversive affirmation" bs to twist every Marco's appearance (or lack of) to another argument he would join.
@mods and admins, can we post and discuss stuff from the Road to Laugh Tale booklets outside of their “spoiler” threads?? Would love to use something from them to make a point here that I’ve already made a thousand times to the same three holdouts
Hmmm... Are those random animals from Elbaf and thus stronger than Chopper's monster form or what? :D
Overall I'm chill with people wanting their fav characters in the crew, but not with aggressive & delusional ones. It's like yay I like Marco, he'd be a perfect SH! Ofc not and I understand he won't ever join. So I don't create a "subversive affirmation" bs to twist every Marco's appearance (or lack of) to another argument he would join.
I don't need to be a leaker to see you're a coping muppet who can't formulate a single rational thought though, that much is obvious just by looking at your posting history
Anyway, won't join, cope
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Here's the thing right, we don't know she'll join for sure. Oda can be weird and he may have other plans for her, who knows? I strongly believe she will, but until we get an official 100% confirmation we can't know. She sure as hell has more chances joining than Larrot (who got ditched by the roadside at this point ever since the furry naito got the boot) or Tama who had no chance in joining in the first place, that's for sure.
I personally don't hate Carrot (can't speak for others, obviously), in fact I quite like her (or I used to, moreso in WCI). At the time I thought she was the next SH, considering how much screentime she had. Turns out it was an editor meddling in, so now that we see what Oda really seems to think about her (that is, making her a background character with barely any screentime who couldn't even beat Perospero in her strongest form, and in a 2V1 to boot) it's obvious her role in the story is over. My problem is certain users pushing her and pretending she somehow matters at this point, and calling Yamato fans names for it (just look at C4N's twitter and some of his posts here). Basically, I don't hate the characters, I dislike the fans around said characters who behave irrationally.
Don't insult me for wanting carrot to join. I have my points, argue against them. You need a healthy dose of talking people in person.
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Wano isn't over yet, carrot is still here and no matter what you say, I know you don't know. There have been many missed prediction but I have my bet we wano isn't the end for carrot at all.
Wano isn't over yet, carrot is still here and no matter what you say, I know you don't know. There have been many missed prediction but I have my bet we wano isn't the end for carrot at all.
Wano isn't over yet, carrot is still here and no matter what you say, I know you don't know. There have been many missed prediction but I have my bet we wano isn't the end for carrot at all.
Well, Carrot is alive, so obviously there will be more to her story (although some dead characters tend to hog the spotlight, looking at you, Ace). However, it's hard to deny that she was basically sidelined in Wano, and was mostly depicted fighting and then celebrating with the other minks. In my opinion it does diminish her chances, but we'll have our final SH crew only when manga ends, lol 😂
Quick question - are you 100% sure Carrot will join or do you agree that there is a chance she won't?
Well, Carrot is alive, so obviously there will be more to her story (although some dead characters tend to hog the spotlight, looking at you, Ace). However, it's hard to deny that she was basically sidelined in Wano, and was mostly depicted fighting and then celebrating with the other minks. In my opinion it does diminish her chances, but we'll have our final SH crew only when manga ends, lol 😂
Quick question - are you 100% sure Carrot will join or do you agree that there is a chance she won't?
People who are 100% sure haven't taken a statistic class or played xcom. I'm just making my points for carrot. argue them if you want. Your preference mean nothing to me.
People who are 100% sure haven't taken a statistic class or played xcom. I'm just making my points for carrot. argue them if you want. Your preference mean nothing to me.
Thanks, means we're on the same page there that there are different possibilities.
My point against Carrot would that even though her position of the King's aid is now obsolete, she has a lot of good relationships with minks, she's got Wanda as her bf, and you can see that she has a place where she belongs. She still may choose to continue her adventure, but she does not have to.
Yamato on the other hand, doesn't really have a place where they belong. One could argue about Momo - but Momo has his scabbards. Beast pirates? Nah, it's their father's thing (and some of them are likely to be converted to Tama's friends). I am still cautious, as Oda may pull a stick and make Yamato stay for some reason, but Yamato:s being unattached + their desire to leave Wano with Luffy specifically makes their chances higher imo.
Thanks, means we're on the same page there that there are different possibilities.
My point against Carrot would that even though her position of the King's aid is now obsolete, she has a lot of good relationships with minks, she's got Wanda as her bf, and you can see that she has a place where she belongs. She still may choose to continue her adventure, but she does not have to.
Yamato on the other hand, doesn't really have a place where they belong. One could argue about Momo - but Momo has his scabbards. Beast pirates? Nah, it's their father's thing (and some of them are likely to be converted to Tama's friends). I am still cautious, as Oda may pull a stick and make Yamato stay for some reason, but Yamato:s being unattached + their desire to leave Wano with Luffy specifically makes their chances higher imo.
Nami had a place, Jimbei had a place, Sanji had a place. Not everyone on the crew is a lost misfit. Carrot has the minks but the adventure called so strongly she jumped aboard a pirate ship of strangers to an unknown location. Somehow this got her involved with the dawn of the world.
My style isn't to stop others. I have some very strong evidences for what Yamato's future hold. I prefer not to talk about her not joining. On the other hand I don't care if she join so I won't talk about joining neither.
This is only partially true though. Nami lost her mom and was somewhat detached from the rest of the village, and her dream was to create a map of the world. Jimbe was with his crew but even Aladdine said he wasn't necessarily happy with it, it was obligation, not desire (since he wanted to join Luffy). Sanji had a place in technicality, but again he wanted to find the All-Blue, Zeff knew he was somewhat unhappy in the Baratie and convinced him to follow his dream, plus he was somewhat hated by staff and customers alike for his violent tendencies lol. It's not just about being a misfit (though it helps) but also a very difficult past as well as a dream to follow at Sea. And in that aspect, Yamato definitely checks more boxes than Carrot.
Carrot has the minks but the adventure called so strongly she jumped aboard a pirate ship of strangers to an unknown location. Somehow this got her involved with the dawn of the world.
Here's the thing right. Carrot had her big adventure, I wouldn't call it a compelling motivation either. She just kinda wanted to go at sea for fun, did it and now what? Also the "Dawn" hasn't really happened, and she has no real connection to it my guy. Plus, just about everyone else present would be connected to this supposed dawn, so that argument doesn't seem to exactly push her above others.
Nami had a place, Jimbei had a place, Sanji had a place. Not everyone on the crew is a lost misfit. Carrot has the minks but the adventure called so strongly she jumped aboard a pirate ship of strangers to an unknown location. Somehow this got her involved with the dawn of the world.
My style isn't to stop others. I have some very strong evidences for what Yamato's future hold. I prefer not to talk about her not joining. On the other hand I don't care if she join so I won't talk about joining neither.
I agree that some of current SH had a place to belong, although there still were clear signs that they are ready to leave. Nami seemed to want to leave the place where she was a slave to Arlong (also her dream is to draw a map of the world, impossible to do so in East Blue). Sanji was quite different from the rest of the cooks on Baratie, and it was easy to predict he'd join. With Jinbe it's a bit more complicated, but given his rich history with Luffy I understood that it was a matter of when and not if he joins.
With Carrot I don't have this certainty. I don't rule out the possibility she still may join, but I lean to the opinion that she won't. It's ok to disagree, so I'm glad we're not arguing here.
BTW, do you think Carrot may join an all-mink pirate crew that will be a part of Luffy's grand fleet? I think it could be a cool twist on the "will join/won't join", but am interested in Carrot's fans opinion on that.
I agree that some of current SH had a place to belong, although there still were clear signs that they are ready to leave. Nami seemed to want to leave the place where she was a slave to Arlong (also her dream is to draw a map of the world, impossible to do so in East Blue). Sanji was quite different from the rest of the cooks on Baratie, and it was easy to predict he'd join. With Jinbe it's a bit more complicated, but given his rich history with Luffy I understood that it was a matter of when and not if he joins.
With Carrot I don't have this certainty. I don't rule out the possibility she still may join, but I lean to the opinion that she won't. It's ok to disagree, so I'm glad we're not arguing here.
BTW, do you think Carrot may join a all-mink pirate crew that will be a part of Luffy's grand fleet? I think it could be a cool twist on the "will join/won't join", but am interested in Carrot's fans opinion on that.
There has been no indication of a collection of minks wanting to form a pirate crew. There was Pedro's group the Nox pirates, but they have long since disbanded. This crew was likely formed after a membership rejection of Gol D Roger himself to Pedro. The only mink so far who has shown interest in the outside world currently is Carrot. The grand fleet scenario seems very lazy. Something I'd expect someone who doesn't care to say.
Nami had a place, Jimbei had a place, Sanji had a place. Not everyone on the crew is a lost misfit. Carrot has the minks but the adventure called so strongly she jumped aboard a pirate ship of strangers to an unknown location. Somehow this got her involved with the dawn of the world.
My style isn't to stop others. I have some very strong evidences for what Yamato's future hold. I prefer not to talk about her not joining. On the other hand I don't care if she join so I won't talk about joining neither.
Here is a question that no one from the Carrot side has managed to answer: Carrot joining would require Oda to change his writing style just for her. All the SHs had similar patterns and criteria before joining(OP arcs for example also follow a similar formula), so what makes Carrot so special that she doesn't need the same stuff?
1. Terrible childhood
2. Co-protagonist that helps the Straw Hats to defeat the main antagonist
3. Main antagonist defeated by Luffy (or by themselves in Zoro’s case)
Yamato has all 3 of them. Carrot doesn’t. Logic is very simple
1. Terrible childhood
2. Co-protagonist that helps the Straw Hats to defeat the main antagonist
3. Main antagonist defeated by Luffy (or by themselves in Zoro’s case)
Yamato has all 3 of them. Carrot doesn’t. Logic is very simple
You can take it beyond that. All of the SH recruits were directly linked to the main villain both narratively and thematically. Zoro by far had the quickest requirement, but Luffy still came to the island with the goal of making Zoro join him. Zoro couldn't do that because of Axe Hand Morgan keeping him and his weapons hostage.
Carrot was a supporting character in WCI and even that was inflated cause Oda's editor at the time made him give Carrot that much attention. As soon that editor when away and Wano came around, Carrot swiftly fell into the background as a minor character and was completely separated from the main conflict and climax. That has never happened to a SH before.
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