Controversial The defenitive thread about swordsmanship skills and titles.
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Then i retract my argument given i was ignorant for this Viz and the that fact that its translated as Strongest in the recent chapter too which basically where i hit the wall before you bought up Stephen's translations
The whole point way revolved around
the titles zoro's goal, and Shank's skill
essentially even if what i was trying to prove was Mihawk blatantly superior skill given his title and then epithet as Dai kengo and Shank's called Kengo would only bolster why mihawk even with greater skill couldn't triumph over Shanks who just had inferior skill. of course vice versa is true too as its stated in Shanks's VC he fought toe to toe with Mihawk with the level of swordsmanship he had..
This leaves me with only narrative arguments.. i thought the semantics would simplify thing but nah its much more vague even tho there aren't much assumptions involved but rather logical deductions to prove they Shanks /=/> Mihawk and vice versa its a whole different conversation I'll save for later.
for now enough of this clown fest. i take my L.. and apologies if i went overboard with insults.
The whole point way revolved around
the titles zoro's goal, and Shank's skill
essentially even if what i was trying to prove was Mihawk blatantly superior skill given his title and then epithet as Dai kengo and Shank's called Kengo would only bolster why mihawk even with greater skill couldn't triumph over Shanks who just had inferior skill. of course vice versa is true too as its stated in Shanks's VC he fought toe to toe with Mihawk with the level of swordsmanship he had..
This leaves me with only narrative arguments.. i thought the semantics would simplify thing but nah its much more vague even tho there aren't much assumptions involved but rather logical deductions to prove they Shanks /=/> Mihawk and vice versa its a whole different conversation I'll save for later.
for now enough of this clown fest. i take my L.. and apologies if i went overboard with insults.
Everything you posted has already been countered several times.
You, like others, are trying to limit what power/skill/ability can or are used with swordsmanship.
Skill is defined as the ability to do something well. That can be applied to anything from running to reading to fighting.
Swordsmanship or sword fighting refers to the skills and techniques used in combat and training with any type of sword.
All that means swordsmanship can and does includes powers like invincible speed, super strength, haki, DF and more. That whole skill argument that continues to be used is stupid and dumb.
Haki is important to swordsmanship. A swordman will never become a strong swordsman, swordmaster, or even a great swordmaster if they don't have incredibly powerful haki and aren't able to use it skillfully.
Zoro attacking with ACoC haki and CoA.
WSS is no different than WSM or WSC except for the fact you have to be a swordsman. Anybody or creature from anywhere could be a swordsman.
Nowhere in the manga hasn't showed or stated Shanks' haki is stronger than Mihawk's.
This "Shanks and Rogers don't use sword to cut" argument doesn't make any sense.
1 - Swords our weapons designed to cut. Why are Shanks and Roger using swords if they don't want to cut? That doesn't make any sense. Why wouldn't they use blunt weapons instead?
2 - Not cutting is part of swordsmanship. Being unable to control your cutting power means you're not a strong swordsman. Strong swordsman have that power cut or to not cut. A better way to put it is to only cut what they wish to come. Roger performing an incredible powerful attack and not cutting Oden helps the argument he is a strong swordsman like Mihawk.
3 - You use Oden as part of your argument who not only was a samurai or Wano swordsman, he has some of the strongest cutting power in the manga.
Using CoC blast/burst without cutting doesn't mean you're not a swordsman.
Shanks can flow CoC through his sword to create CoC burst without using it to cut.
Guess what? Zoro can do the same.
Here is Zoro flowing CoC through his sword to create CoC burst without using it to cut.
It doesn't have many arguments or post everyone create it will never counter manga facts.
Mihawk and Shanks are both swordsman. Mihawk is overall stronger.
You, like others, are trying to limit what power/skill/ability can or are used with swordsmanship.
Skill is defined as the ability to do something well. That can be applied to anything from running to reading to fighting.
Swordsmanship or sword fighting refers to the skills and techniques used in combat and training with any type of sword.
All that means swordsmanship can and does includes powers like invincible speed, super strength, haki, DF and more. That whole skill argument that continues to be used is stupid and dumb.
Haki is important to swordsmanship. A swordman will never become a strong swordsman, swordmaster, or even a great swordmaster if they don't have incredibly powerful haki and aren't able to use it skillfully.
Zoro attacking with ACoC haki and CoA.
WSS is no different than WSM or WSC except for the fact you have to be a swordsman. Anybody or creature from anywhere could be a swordsman.
Nowhere in the manga hasn't showed or stated Shanks' haki is stronger than Mihawk's.
This "Shanks and Rogers don't use sword to cut" argument doesn't make any sense.
1 - Swords our weapons designed to cut. Why are Shanks and Roger using swords if they don't want to cut? That doesn't make any sense. Why wouldn't they use blunt weapons instead?
2 - Not cutting is part of swordsmanship. Being unable to control your cutting power means you're not a strong swordsman. Strong swordsman have that power cut or to not cut. A better way to put it is to only cut what they wish to come. Roger performing an incredible powerful attack and not cutting Oden helps the argument he is a strong swordsman like Mihawk.
3 - You use Oden as part of your argument who not only was a samurai or Wano swordsman, he has some of the strongest cutting power in the manga.
Using CoC blast/burst without cutting doesn't mean you're not a swordsman.
Shanks can flow CoC through his sword to create CoC burst without using it to cut.
Guess what? Zoro can do the same.
Here is Zoro flowing CoC through his sword to create CoC burst without using it to cut.
It doesn't have many arguments or post everyone create it will never counter manga facts.
Mihawk and Shanks are both swordsman. Mihawk is overall stronger.
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This is my first time entering this thread, and I don't wanna read over 30 pages. But basically the guy who started this thread made a novel about how the "kengou" shit works and the whole point was that shanks isn't a "master swordsman" (but is still a swordsman......dunno if he realizes he is shitting on shanks right here) but is still a great swordsman. But in the end, shanks is also directly called a master swordsman?
I have to show respect to all of you who have explained this in great detail. Shanks is/can be < Mihawk when it comes to sword skills or WSS/WGS title.
Oda is a marketing genius. He is the real winner here.
The thing is, readers like me dont know Mihawk's background. For me, Shanks is better due to his interactions with Luffy etc.
I see Mihawk as an ambitionless man whose purpose was to train/motivate Zoro.
I need more context to understand him.
Likewise, Oda could have developed Zoro's character in Wano. But he didnt.
Hopefully, we will see more of Mihawk, Shanks and Zoro as series approaches its end.
Oda is a marketing genius. He is the real winner here.
The thing is, readers like me dont know Mihawk's background. For me, Shanks is better due to his interactions with Luffy etc.
I see Mihawk as an ambitionless man whose purpose was to train/motivate Zoro.
I need more context to understand him.
Likewise, Oda could have developed Zoro's character in Wano. But he didnt.
Hopefully, we will see more of Mihawk, Shanks and Zoro as series approaches its end.