Powers & Abilities Swordsmanship is All About Haki

[humanbeing2022]

Are you suggesting Zoro won't use haki when he fights Mihawk to become the WSS?

they will be both using it but at the end of the day their fight will be about skills not about haki. swords skill are what decide that title not that haki. best evidence there were/are many swordsmen who are mightier than Mihawk , when it comes to haki , but they don't have the title like Roger, Shanks , Rocks. they lack the skills to have the title and neither of them has the skills to blacken the sword.
the only one comparable to Mihawk was Ruyma who obviously was far stronger too since he has the title sword god.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Oden has ittoryu sword techniques. Zoro has nittoryu ittoryu santoryu techniques.

Brook is a confirmed swordsman by his own admission (twice) and he does not have any of those, or even any sword style for that matter.
The "santoryu or nitoryu or ittoryu" concept only really applies to sword users who use Japanese style swords & are based on such characters. Brook, Mihawk etc,. don't fall under that category but are still swordsmen.

Stop acting like haki is the only part of swordsmanship when its not and it never has been.

What was Zoro's growth in the entire post ts for then? He grew almost entirely in Haki. Lol.

There is a clear difference between someone like roger, shanks than someone like Mihawk. King made that apparent.

King underlined that characters who use a sword but also use techniques outside of a sword like all of King's df moves, flame moves etc, are not necessarily swordsmen.
Roger & Shanks are no different from Oden/Zoro/Mihawk - characters who use their Haki on their swords. That comparision absolutely doesn't work here lol.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

This isn't a video game.

The level of skill someone has refers to how refined they are in their technique, not what kind of moves they perform.

So, what aspect of Zoro became more refined b/w chapters 1009 and 1035 that made him go from being a swordsman to a master swordsman?

 

[Buggy D Clown]

they will be both using it but at the end of the day their fight will be about skills not about haki. swords skill are what decide that title not that haki. best evidence there were/are many swordsmen who are mightier than Mihawk , when it comes to haki , but they don't have the title like Roger, Shanks , Rocks. they lack the skills to have the title and neither of them has the skills to blacken the sword.
the only one comparable to Mihawk was Ruyma who obviously was far stronger too since he has the title sword god.

Then why bother using haki at all during the fight? Surely it's much easier not to use it at all instead of trying to use same amount of haki as each other. If one accidently uses more than the other it would be unfair in a fight of pure skill don't you agree?

 

[HA001]

This isn't a video game.

The level of skill someone has refers to how refined they are in their technique, not what kind of moves they perform.

There is no difference to the technique.

The only changes have been haki and increased physical strength.

by the way just for this who think that swordsmanship are only about haki, why the hell Mihawk didn't defeat Vista Mihawk's haki is without a doubt far stronger and he would have defeated him easily if he wanted. the truth is a competition between swordsmen is about sowrd skill , so Mihawk wanted just to fight with skill sword with Vista, so as well with Shanks , Shanks cannot play his swordsmanship with one arm like he did with 2 .
as well another example the fight between King and Zoro it was not about swordsmanship , but about having a winner no matter what , even Zoro stated that King never stated that he is a swordsman, and Zoro did say he would bite him to death if it has to be.
Haki is for sure necessary for a swordsman but Haki can used in more ways , that can decide the victor but those are not sword skills.

So zoro and mihawk won't use haki when they fight

And shanks and mihawk didn't use haki either

 

[ranady]

Are you suggesting Zoro won't use haki when he fights Mihawk to become the WSS?

Leaked footage of Mihawk vs Zoro

 

[gz89]

why the hell Mihawk didn't defeat Vista Mihawk's haki is without a doubt far stronger and he would have defeated him easily if he wanted

For the very same reason no one beat anyone in the entire MF battle 1vs1 with the exception of Aokiji vs Jozu even tho he was distract. The MF war was not to showcase 1vs1 fights, every "battle" was nothing more than a skirmish.

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neither of them has the skills to blacken the sword.

Do you understand that the black blade didnt become black through painting? Its a given that its haki and not "skill" and given that Zoro already unlock both CoA & aCoC and didnt manage to make his swords into black blades pretty much confirms that he needs an even higher level of Haki.

 

[humanbeing2022]

For the very same reason no one beat anyone in the entire MF battle 1vs1 with the exception of Aokiji vs Jozu even tho he was distract. The MF war was not to showcase 1vs1 fights, every "battle" was nothing more than a skirmish.

you are wrong
Mihawk basically beat Jinbe and Mr. 1 with no efforts

 

[gz89]

you are wrong
Mihawk basically beat Jinbe and Mr. 1 with no efforts

Jinbe was anime filler iirc. Mr1 had already his screentime back in Alabasta there was no need for Oda to have a flesh out battle with again. Thats what you dont understand, the war was to showcase that WB commanders arent fodders who will go down after 1 hit but they are capable to hold for some time.

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

Another thread of this clown lmao.
It is already confirmed that it's not like that since Roger reached the top with only Haki and he doesnt have a black blade.

Shanks destroys Mifraud.

 

[RayanOO]

Yes black blade is likely haki related

But no way Mihawk has more willpower than Roger and Shanks

 

[mly90]

Your claims are completely valid. And yet you can probably guess that Oda will do something very annoying to keep Shanks at least equal to Mihawk, if not stronger.

Analyzing this story is problematic because Oda changes things to appease fans or be unpredictable. No statement is safe from being proven a lie later down the road.

This is one of the main reasons shanks fan are so overconfident i would say because Oda has always heavily favored shanks while restricting Mihawk.

 

[Reborn]

Yes black blade is likely haki related

But no way Mihawk has more willpower than Roger and Shanks

Why not over shanks?


You know how much will power you need to stay alone and survive and keep fighting and yet keep moving forward?

Don't look down on Mihawk

 

[RayanOO]

Why not over shanks?


You know how much will power you need to stay alone and survive and keep fighting and yet keep moving forward?

Don't look down on Mihawk

I don’t look down on him, I have him as current top 5

But willpower wise Shanks portrayal >

Simple as that

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

your title vs the actual content of your argument should be fixed @Cinera

"swordsmanship is all about haki"
I was going to type No it isnt
but the strongest ones need to have really strong haki .
if it was all about haki luffy technically should be a master swordsman.


"The single most important factor to becoming a stronger swordsman is haki and haki alone. Nothing else (skill, physical strength, endurance, e) even registers. Indeed, it wouldn't be wrong to say that true "sword skill" is just the strength and proficiency of your haki."

this however is a different argument.
its undeniable so far at least looking at zoro the vast majority of his power ups as a swordsman has been through haki
from learning how to cut iron in alabasta
to armament and observation in the timeskip
to conquerors now .

 

[dirtyLarry]

From a pure logical standpoint you're 100% correct.

If I had to guess what Oda intended to say, it's probably that Shanks specifically has some fucked up CoC and CoO feats that Mihawk can't replicate on that level, while the latter is superior in swordmanship (and therefore in CoA, too).

 

[Reborn]

I don’t look down on him, I have him as current top 5

But willpower wise Shanks portrayal >

Simple as that

Shanks parties

Shanks live with his crew

Shanks roam around the world doing sight seeing

Shanks don't fight and infact tries to maintain BoP




Mihawk - stays alone with no crew (have to cook, clean, train, fight, gets stronger all on his own)

He roams around in dangerous world on his own - do you know it's relatively easier to go to haunted place with friends at night than to go alone

He is WSS as well

He maintains strict discipline

How Mihawk will power is less than that of Shanks?

 

[mly90]

Shanks parties

Shanks live with his crew

Shanks roam around the world doing sight seeing

Shanks don't fight and infact tries to maintain BoP




Mihawk - stays alone with no crew (have to cook, clean, train, fight, gets stronger all on his own)

He roams around in dangerous world on his own - do you know it's relatively easier to go to haunted place with friends at night than to go alone

He is WSS as well

He maintains strict discipline

How Mihawk will power is less than that of Shanks?

Shanks only went after the OP when he found out Kaido and BM were already taken down

 

[BleakAsh]

Indeed, it wouldn't be wrong to say that true "sword skill" is just the strength and proficiency of your haki.

i can honestly just /thread here but I'll elaborate


Coa used not to nick the blade and increasing AP and control over what someone intends to cut

CoO, used for perception in combat and possibly passive reflexes.. that honest pre-ts zoro and sanji were dodging point blank bullet and Kuma's paws without proper CoO training

and many people have these qualities but they don't meet the criteria of what Mihawk said.. and some like zoro meet the criteria and amplify or use their skill with haki for better proficiency

folks who have the required types of haki and even advanced yet don't meet the criteria.
that include King, Bigmom, Luffy (with ni dai) Kaku , ..etc they even have the control of haki

Mihawk talks about a fundamental necessity for a sword to call itself a sword and not an iron bar.. and its the subtly its used with ie; skill its used with like he demonstrated..

if you don't have this fundamental element then honestly forget pinnacle of swordsmanship that Koushirou hinted which honestly doesn't seem to be the case as the story progresses .. its like saying zoro hit the pinnacle of swordmanship in Alabasta lol



so this kinda debunks the whole thread that swordsmanship is all about haki coz skill is a very important aspect of swordsmanship without any subtly or in other words skill the sword is just an iron bar.



@Monkey D Theories

 

[Buggy D Clown]

That's pretty much CoA(cut what you want to cut and don't cut what you don't want to cut) is it not?