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Well i was active for hours, waiting for @TheAncientCenturion 's reply as to why he continuously tried to paint me as liar even after i clarified what i meant, but he didn't. After that, it was night time for me, so went to sleep. Have to read the thread now to see if there are anything new
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Doesn't make sense. other players were also quiet. Didn't you read why Reborn lean more toward Seraphoenix for being a scum?
Seraphoenix said Bogard pushed a bit too far with his lynch and yet Seraphoenix did the same thing to me. A consistency here.
Seraphoenix also said in his first post regarding me"Has Neutral sus Bograd?" which I replied with "Why are you thinking that I sus Bogard?" and his reaction was he accused me of lying. How come I was the one who was sus?
Does it make sense that I was accused of lying for questioning him why he asked that me has sus Bogard?
Seraphoenix said Bogard pushed a bit too far with his lynch and yet Seraphoenix did the same thing to me. A consistency here.
Seraphoenix also said in his first post regarding me"Has Neutral sus Bograd?" which I replied with "Why are you thinking that I sus Bogard?" and his reaction was he accused me of lying. How come I was the one who was sus?
Does it make sense that I was accused of lying for questioning him why he asked that me has sus Bogard?
The issue is within your demeanor of not pushing your biggest sus, since HA001 wasn't one of them by your reads. You wouldn't pick a neutral read on someone you think is leaning scum, whilst at the same time you did that with different other people, not even just one, labeling them anti-town.
Also you are ignoring the fact that you voted HA001 by asserting he was fluffing since the very start of the game and not contributing to town, and yet you didn't even label him anti-town at first. This change seems too disingenous to be trustful since he sticked with his line all the time.
You even once stated that he wasn't behaving randomly when that's what fluffing is about.
Also you are ignoring the fact that you voted HA001 by asserting he was fluffing since the very start of the game and not contributing to town, and yet you didn't even label him anti-town at first. This change seems too disingenous to be trustful since he sticked with his line all the time.
You even once stated that he wasn't behaving randomly when that's what fluffing is about.
I initially leaned towards Town on you when you watched few eps to get an idea of the show.
Bt i think you went in personal on this from start, targeting Neutral based on last game, before you had even read anything on.
The whole deal betwern you guys on surface appears to be misunderstanding, really no solid basis to go on for so long. Neutral in previous game wasn't sure of your alignment since yoi visited both Reborn n Lanji, and both ended up dead. Then he also view you not stopping D1 lynch, so he considered that together with Night activity a reason sus you.
I can understand you misunderstanding that, bt what i dont get is, you also sus Bogard n Dragomir, bt hasn't tried bit to find anything on em. That's why i am leaning towards you being Scum.
I know you are good player n can help much in the game, bt if you are Mafia more reason to be wary of you.
If there's Investigator, i would ask him to chck his alignment.
As for Bogard, i read through it all, damn they really did piece of work, on something like 48 hours, that just should be punished for extended the mental labour. Lol
I think i am ambiguous on him, some things certainly don't add up bt it also don't make sense a scum would do this first thing in the game. Its definitely risky and only way i can see you doing it is if you are Investigator free. So i wouldn't suggest town to waste that on him, let's just go through him more, if he had slipped. You pushed a lot more than you have with Tac, and given how frequently he causes such blunder, i am surprised you took seriously on that. Plus your own post suggest you were going to target Tac anyway, starting the game coulf be your strategy bt also pushing an lynch and causing unnecessary confusion, which can lead to mislynch.
Bt i think you went in personal on this from start, targeting Neutral based on last game, before you had even read anything on.
The whole deal betwern you guys on surface appears to be misunderstanding, really no solid basis to go on for so long. Neutral in previous game wasn't sure of your alignment since yoi visited both Reborn n Lanji, and both ended up dead. Then he also view you not stopping D1 lynch, so he considered that together with Night activity a reason sus you.
I can understand you misunderstanding that, bt what i dont get is, you also sus Bogard n Dragomir, bt hasn't tried bit to find anything on em. That's why i am leaning towards you being Scum.
I know you are good player n can help much in the game, bt if you are Mafia more reason to be wary of you.
If there's Investigator, i would ask him to chck his alignment.
As for Bogard, i read through it all, damn they really did piece of work, on something like 48 hours, that just should be punished for extended the mental labour. Lol
I think i am ambiguous on him, some things certainly don't add up bt it also don't make sense a scum would do this first thing in the game. Its definitely risky and only way i can see you doing it is if you are Investigator free. So i wouldn't suggest town to waste that on him, let's just go through him more, if he had slipped. You pushed a lot more than you have with Tac, and given how frequently he causes such blunder, i am surprised you took seriously on that. Plus your own post suggest you were going to target Tac anyway, starting the game coulf be your strategy bt also pushing an lynch and causing unnecessary confusion, which can lead to mislynch.
Here is my take on @Bogard vs @TheAncientCenturion
I will not go into details of their argument as we all know what happened
However, I would like to make few things clear consider that the shit happened right at the beginning of day one.
Let's assume Bogard is scum.
1)tac is town - that's very risky from scum point of view because scums Know who are possibly townie. So pushing lynch on townie on beginning of day one would put Bogard on risk of getting Lynched on day two as reasons for his tac misLynch are quite weak. So, possibility of this situation is negligible.
2)tac is scum belonging to same faction as that of bogard - not possible. I have played games with both of them and both Bogard and tac won't raise sus on each other to such extent so early on.
3)tac is scum but belongs to different faction (like one is indie and other is mafia but obviously they are unaware of each other identity) - now this situation is possible. But only problem is if Bogard is scum regardless of which faction he belongs it doesn't make sense that he would push case so hard because it's like highlighting himself in front of twonie.
Now let's assume Bogard is townie
1)tac is townie - could happen but Bogard push on tac is so hard which I have never seen townie Bogard doing it unless he is sure that he caught scum
2)tac is scum - another possibility because Bogard believes he caught scum
In short, Bogard being Townie make more sense than Bogard being scum.
Tac can flip either as townie or scum.
I will not go into details of their argument as we all know what happened
However, I would like to make few things clear consider that the shit happened right at the beginning of day one.
Let's assume Bogard is scum.
1)tac is town - that's very risky from scum point of view because scums Know who are possibly townie. So pushing lynch on townie on beginning of day one would put Bogard on risk of getting Lynched on day two as reasons for his tac misLynch are quite weak. So, possibility of this situation is negligible.
2)tac is scum belonging to same faction as that of bogard - not possible. I have played games with both of them and both Bogard and tac won't raise sus on each other to such extent so early on.
3)tac is scum but belongs to different faction (like one is indie and other is mafia but obviously they are unaware of each other identity) - now this situation is possible. But only problem is if Bogard is scum regardless of which faction he belongs it doesn't make sense that he would push case so hard because it's like highlighting himself in front of twonie.
Now let's assume Bogard is townie
1)tac is townie - could happen but Bogard push on tac is so hard which I have never seen townie Bogard doing it unless he is sure that he caught scum
2)tac is scum - another possibility because Bogard believes he caught scum
In short, Bogard being Townie make more sense than Bogard being scum.
Tac can flip either as townie or scum.
a no lynch as town is a no go except its in the latter phases
anyway I am back and I dont know who is scum
yes I am experienced but I hate 20 player games with fast pace, I will take the backseat here, I hosted tons of games where people took the backseat, I wanna be one of those now
if anyone worries about my alignment please put investigative roles to screen me
I'd like to pinpoint scum while I naturally get into the game
If noone can use me in this game then I pled for mafia or serial killer to kill me.
Ok, after a quick read, there is something i didn't like about the way TAC built up his format to identify the possible factions of the game.
This is what he says
Ok fine, let's see
Ok so basically you give a general perspective from what you view as proof of being a townie, but not telling what that proof actually is?
Here you give a general perspective from what you view as a gameplay strongly reflecting a townie, but without telling what that gameplay actually is?
Here you give a general perspective of who you view as a player you have no reason to sus based on limited actions, but what do you mean by limited actions exactly? Because if you mean activity, @Reborn has been one of the most active players thus far, yet somehow fits in this critera of yours? And if it's not activity, mind explaining what the limited action critera is in this case?
Here you give another general perspective about who you think is suspicious in your eyes for one reason or another, but without explaining why that person is suspicious?
Here you give another general perspective of who you are fairly certain to be scum, but without explaining why that person is so certain to be scum from your perspective?
And here as well, giving a general perspective of actions so blatant to be considered as scum, but which actions exactly you view as something identifying them as scum is missing?
Now onto your reads
That's it? I expected that after giving a general perspective of the way you were viewing things, you'd go into details as to why you ranged them this way, but you didn't?
For me, it's fine since we had a continuous back and forth, with you still not replying to my question, but it's fine, i'd give it a pass. However, you are on a fence with Queen/Final beta, without having any problem if they were swapped in any direction, but ultimately without giving any reasons to why you think so. Similarly, you claim that Neutral Watcher is off based on his exchange with Seraphoenix, but without explaining why you find him off. Now i know you tried a read of him in a post above, but let's analyze properly what you did
- Here you give a read of NW being panicked, and that a good case could be built up on him, but ultimately without building that case in the end
- Here you try to give Don a lesson on how to play, try a diplomatic approach on how you lean on him being in a negative light, but not going fully onto it
- Here with Lanji, you tried to explain how him "parroting you" and not giving important comment was sus, but without going full throttle on it
And you add that he "AT BEST, lazily took your side to float the idea of me being scum"
Sounded like you tried to seperate yourself from him, which is weird.
So basically what i mean is what i already noted in a previous discussion with you. You try to make detailed long posts, but ultimately without really giving anything concrete, and diplomatic play like this doesn't help town, more like the contrary, it's what scum do to try to blend with town without being too contributive
This is what he says
Ok fine, let's see
Ok so basically you give a general perspective from what you view as proof of being a townie, but not telling what that proof actually is?
Here you give a general perspective from what you view as a gameplay strongly reflecting a townie, but without telling what that gameplay actually is?
Here you give a general perspective of who you view as a player you have no reason to sus based on limited actions, but what do you mean by limited actions exactly? Because if you mean activity, @Reborn has been one of the most active players thus far, yet somehow fits in this critera of yours? And if it's not activity, mind explaining what the limited action critera is in this case?
Here you give another general perspective about who you think is suspicious in your eyes for one reason or another, but without explaining why that person is suspicious?
Here you give another general perspective of who you are fairly certain to be scum, but without explaining why that person is so certain to be scum from your perspective?
And here as well, giving a general perspective of actions so blatant to be considered as scum, but which actions exactly you view as something identifying them as scum is missing?
Now onto your reads
That's it? I expected that after giving a general perspective of the way you were viewing things, you'd go into details as to why you ranged them this way, but you didn't?
For me, it's fine since we had a continuous back and forth, with you still not replying to my question, but it's fine, i'd give it a pass. However, you are on a fence with Queen/Final beta, without having any problem if they were swapped in any direction, but ultimately without giving any reasons to why you think so. Similarly, you claim that Neutral Watcher is off based on his exchange with Seraphoenix, but without explaining why you find him off. Now i know you tried a read of him in a post above, but let's analyze properly what you did
- Here you give a read of NW being panicked, and that a good case could be built up on him, but ultimately without building that case in the end
- Here you try to give Don a lesson on how to play, try a diplomatic approach on how you lean on him being in a negative light, but not going fully onto it
- Here with Lanji, you tried to explain how him "parroting you" and not giving important comment was sus, but without going full throttle on it
And you add that he "AT BEST, lazily took your side to float the idea of me being scum"
Sounded like you tried to seperate yourself from him, which is weird.
So basically what i mean is what i already noted in a previous discussion with you. You try to make detailed long posts, but ultimately without really giving anything concrete, and diplomatic play like this doesn't help town, more like the contrary, it's what scum do to try to blend with town without being too contributive
Not really, the point of Reborn was simple but also important which I agree at most. Doing nothing and beeing quit are most like hints about a traitor. Their is no point to do nothing. Lynch voting are important, doing nothing only would cost as days and many informations, also in the night day we would lose users. Don't see anything wrong with me agree with Reborn, it was also my only agree to that point or did I going and accept other players opinion too?
Im not the only one who read bad vipe of Sera vs Neutral. Also no one of them even reply to my point which little proof my point.
I already do points to some other discussing here.
Im not the only one who read bad vipe of Sera vs Neutral. Also no one of them even reply to my point which little proof my point.
I already do points to some other discussing here.
What do you feel about TAC misreading me?
He said I sus'ed only one person in the latest 24h but that's a lie.
Unless he misred my posts, I don't know what to believe about it except for a frame attempt or even more likely a wrong push which is a slip, similar to the one I had with Cinera last game.
He said I sus'ed only one person in the latest 24h but that's a lie.
Unless he misred my posts, I don't know what to believe about it except for a frame attempt or even more likely a wrong push which is a slip, similar to the one I had with Cinera last game.
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