Fanclub Temple of The Grandmaster Zoro

[Cyrus the Cactus]

Regarding the swords, I would have liked that zoro kept shusui, but I think he always has been someone who respects traditions, he has a special code of honor.

I think that the attachment of the wano people to shusui and the fact that he got a good replacement was what convinced him.

But maybe at the end of the arc if he does something crazy which I believe he will, they might give him the shusui back and he'll give enma back to the Kozuki clan.

Maybe Enma was just a plot point for him to increase his haki control.

When Enma was first introduced I felt the same way, but since Tenguyama said Zoro could make Enma black and Zoro actually knew Kozaburo, I think he'll keep the sword. Zoro will create his own black blades, surpassing even his ancestor Ryuma

I love sandai too, it's too dope to have a curse blade!
I will not accept sandai being throw away for another sword. Only if it's nidai but i'm fine with wado and enma being from class 1 with yoru and sandai being class 2 after becoming a black blade.
Yes stronger sword are the best but if you are skilled enough, even with a knife you will destroy anyone.

I still like the Kitetsu fusion idea. I dunno if it'll happen, but one can hope.

 

[BossYimz]

Nope.

He stated that making Enma black would make it rise in rank. He didn't state that making any blade black would rise it in rank. Your hypothesis does not make sense given that we are told Yoru is the "finest in the world". There's no reason to assume Yoru was an O Wazamono before becoming black, Mihawk's words suggest otherwise.

Suppose Yoru was a Saijo O Wazamono and Mihawk made it black, what rank would it rise to? There is no rank beyond Sajio O Wazamono, nowhere for it to further rise.

Maybe am reading an incorrect translation, but Hitestu statement implies turning a blade black raisses its rank. He didn't imply that it is only Enma thatm raises in rank when turned black.

As for the saijo raising in rank, that was a question I asked. I never stated that is how it is. Based on the statements given, making a blade black raises its rank.

 

[Aknolagon]

I still like the Kitetsu fusion idea. I dunno if it'll happen, but one can hope.

Of course the idea of nidai and sandai melting in one blade : shodai is dope also

 

[Aknolagon]

Maybe am reading an incorrect translation, but Hitestu statement implies turning a blade black raisses its rank. He didn't imply that it is only Enma thatm raises in rank when turned black.

As for the saijo raising in rank, that was a question I asked. I never stated that is how it is. Based on the statements given, making a blade black raises its rank.

The question i am asking is : Yoru the blade of mihawk was at base a great blade and became now a supreme grade with black blade ? Or it was a supreme grade at base and now is considered as the best because it's literally another level because it's blake blade ?

 

[Cinera]

As for the saijo raising in rank, that was a question I asked. I never stated that is how it is. Based on the statements given, making a blade black raises its rank.

There is no rank higher than Saijo, so I don't think it's possible.

Maybe am reading an incorrect translation, but Hitestu statement implies turning a blade black raisses its rank. He didn't imply that it is only Enma thatm raises in rank when turned black.

For non Saijo blades maybe. But if you improve an item at the highest rank, it remains at the highest rank.

 

[Cinera]

The question i am asking is : Yoru the blade of mihawk was at base a great blade and become now a supreme grade with black blade ? Or it was a supreme grade at base and now is considered as the best because it's literally another level because it's blake blade ?

Yoru is "the finest in the world", it should have already been Saijo before becoming Kokuto.

 

[BossYimz]

The question i am asking is : Yoru the blade of mihawk was at base a great blade and become now a supreme grade with black blade ? Or it was a supreme grade at base and now is considered as the best because it's literally another level because it's blake blade ?

This is the same question am asking.
Don't know what the answer is.

 

[BossYimz]

Yoru is "the finest in the world", it should have already been Saijo before becoming Kokuto.

You have to admit there is a possibility that Mihawk is the one that forged it into the finest blade in the world.

Reason am saying this is because Mihawk stated any sword can become black like his yoru which is the strongest. Implying they can becomes as strong as yoru. If you take this literally, even a no grade sword can reach Mihawks level if the user's haki and controlis good enough.

This is why I think Mihawk's blade was not saijo. He made it a saijo and on top of that he made it the strongest sword in the world.

 

[Cinera]

You have to admit there us a possibility that Mihawk is the one that forged it into the finest blade in the world.

Reason am saying the is because Mihawk seems to imply any sword can become black like his yoru which is the strongest. If you takethis literally, even a no grade sword can reach Mihawks level if the user's haki and controlis good enough.

This is why I think Mihawk's blade was not sio. He madeit a saijo and on top of that he made it the strongest sword in the world.

I disagree. Yoru's hype and portrayal isn't really compatible with it not being Saijo. It is more ornately decorated than every other blade bar none. It's been hyped insanely more than other blades. Even before it became black, it would have already been a supreme work.

Furthermore, your theory suggests that any Saijo that gets blackened wouod displace Yoru, and considering they're 12, I doubt it.

 

[BossYimz]

I disagree. Yoru's hype and portrayal isn't really compatible with it not being Saijo. It is more ornately decorated than every other blade bar none. It's been hyped insanely more than other blades. Even before it became black, it would have already been a supreme work.

Furthermore, your theory suggests that any Saijo that gets blackened wouod displace Yoru, and considering they're 12, I doubt it.

Yoru's hype and portrayal came from the fact that it is a black blade and the strongest in the world. The fact that he stated it was black puts emphasis that it was not ordinary at that time and then state it was the strongest. So to me i interpret it as it is the strongest sword cause it is Mihawk's black sword. It being a black sword is what makes it the strongest.

Now that we have learnt black swords are forged by the wielder,it ties in with Yoru being the strongest cause he made it the strongest by making it black.

I believe there is a possibility of Yoru being made supreme grade by Mihawk. I am not saying it is true.
Based on Hitetsu's words, that possibility is there since he specifically said the swordsman is who can raise the rank of the sword

 

[Cinera]

I believe there is a possibility of Yoru being made supreme grade by Mihawk. I am not saying it is true.

I think it is very unlikely.

Your post doesn't address:

Yoru's hype and portrayal isn't really compatible with it not being Saijo. It is more ornately decorated than every other blade bar none. It's been hyped insanely more than other blades. Even before it became black, it would have already been a supreme work.

Furthermore, your theory suggests that any Saijo that gets blackened wouod displace Yoru, and considering they're 12, I doubt it.

IIRC Tashigi has also gushed about Yoru (or perhaps that's anime only).

 

[BossYimz]

I dont believe just anyone can make a sword stronger than yoru simply by taking a saijo and making it black.

Their haki has to be equal to or better than Mihawk's.
I see the grade as offering the sword better base stats and more potential. However, haki can even out the playing field and can even cause a lower grade black sword to surpass a higher grade normal sword

Normal supreme > great etc

I see it as Ryuma with Black shusui> Ryuma with normal supreme > Ryuma with normal great etc.

Ryuma with black shodai > Ryuma with black nadia > Ryuma with black sadai

 

[BossYimz]

I think it is very unlikely.

Your post doesn't address:



IIRC Tashigi has also gushed about Yoru (or perhaps that's anime only).

I do address it. Mihawk hyped it being black then hyped it being the strongest.

Majority of the hype it gets is cause it is a black blade or for it being the strongest sword.

 

[Cinera]

I dont believe just anyone can make a sword stronger than yoru simply by taking a saijo and making it black.

Their haki has to be equal to or better than Mihawk's.
I see the grade as offering the sword better base stats and more potential. However, haki can even out the playing field and can even cause a lower grade black sword to surpass a higher grade normal sword

Normal supreme > great etc

I see it as Ryuma with Black shusui> Ryuma with normal supreme > Ryuma with normal great etc.

Ryuma with black shodai > Ryuma with black nadia > Ryuma with black sadai

It hasn't been suggested that there are different degrees of blackness. If Yoru was an O Wazamono that was made black, then were any of the 12 Saijo O Wazamono to be made black, they would surpass Yoru in strength as the base material be even better. I really do not see this being the case.

 

[BossYimz]

It hasn't been suggested that there are different degrees of blackness. If Yoru was an O Wazamono that was made black, then any of the 12 Saijo O Wazamono being made black would surpass Yoru in strength as the base material would have been even better. I really do not see this being the case.

We also got told that a someone with better haki can block a slash.
There is also the fact that haki can still be coated onto a black blade. Making a black blade coated in haki> black blade not coated in haki.

If you combine all those a black blade does get blacker when coated with haki which means there are degrees of blackness.

 

[Cinera]

We also got told that a someone with better haki can block a slash.
There is also the fact that haki can still be coated onto a black blade. Making a black blade coated in haki> black blade not coated in haki.

If you combine all those a black blade does get blacker when coated with haki which means there are degrees of blackness.

I'm talking of the blade itself. We have not been shown degrees of blackness of blades themselves. Yoru is a black blade, so is Shusui. There doesn't appear to be any difference in their blackness. Yes they can additionally be coated with COA, but so can every other object.

 

[nik87]

 

[Cinera]

I miss Zoro acting like a big bro to Chopper.

 

[Gon’s Missing Arm]

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[BossYimz]

I'm talking of the blade itself. We have not been shown degrees of blackness of blades themselves. Yoru is a black blade, so is Shusui. There doesn't appear to be any difference in their blackness. Yes they can additionally be coated with COA, but so can every other object.

Ah you meant the blade. That is interesting.

Since Zoro can coat shusui, doesnt that also mean he can make it black? Thus making it have Ryuma's haki and zoro's.

It would be interesting if this is possible. I cansee Zoro keeping shusui if that is the case