Speculations Saturn beats Luffy, Kizaru beats Zoro and Sanji
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I think the power-scaling of the series is completely busted if Luffy can 1v1 a Gorosei/Admiral, and that Zoro and Sanji are weaker than people think. An Admiral is supposed to be the ultimate force of the Marines. What's better for the final arc? The Marines looking weak here, or Kizaru proving he's still an elite threat? 1v1ing or 2v1ing Kizaru is different than taking on Kaido with 15 people.
Let's look at what's left in the series without bias.
Arcs:
Elbaf
Laugh Tale
The Great War
Enemies:
Cross Guild/Mihawk (for Zoro)
Giants (at least some clashes)
Blackbeard Pirates
Other Pirate groups
Im and Gorosei
Seraphim
Admirals and Marines
If we're about to enter Elbaf, and Luffy is above the highest authority in the world, a Gorosei, what's the point? If he's already near Akainu's level, he's going to be well above him before the Final War. If Zoro is already nearing Admiral level, he's going to be way too strong by the time he gets to Mihawk.
EVERYTHING HAD TO GO RIGHT for the Straw Hats to win in Onigashima. If it was just Luffy vs Kaido from the beginning, Raid's over. Luffy only matched Kaido at the end of the fight. Even if Luffy had Gear 5 at the beginning of the fight, and him and Kaido were at full health, I'm taking Kaido.
Luffy is NOWHERE NEAR stronger than Kaido. Neither are Zoro or Sanji. Zoro and Sanji struggled for a long time against guys Green Bull had no problem with. Even with their upgrades, are they really near him yet?
I love Zoro and Sanji, I just think Oda is tricking us into believing the Straw Hats are stronger than they are, and that they can't be beaten. Since they feel so invincible, I think they're about to take a big L. If the Marines and Gorosei look bad here, it'll kill their hype for the Final Arc. They need a strong showing, and the easiest way is dusting a new Yonkou crew.
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I think S-Bear's gonna get Kuma's memories and do a mass Teleportation like at the end of Sabaody.
Let's look at what's left in the series without bias.
Arcs:
Elbaf
Laugh Tale
The Great War
Enemies:
Cross Guild/Mihawk (for Zoro)
Giants (at least some clashes)
Blackbeard Pirates
Other Pirate groups
Im and Gorosei
Seraphim
Admirals and Marines
If we're about to enter Elbaf, and Luffy is above the highest authority in the world, a Gorosei, what's the point? If he's already near Akainu's level, he's going to be well above him before the Final War. If Zoro is already nearing Admiral level, he's going to be way too strong by the time he gets to Mihawk.
EVERYTHING HAD TO GO RIGHT for the Straw Hats to win in Onigashima. If it was just Luffy vs Kaido from the beginning, Raid's over. Luffy only matched Kaido at the end of the fight. Even if Luffy had Gear 5 at the beginning of the fight, and him and Kaido were at full health, I'm taking Kaido.
Luffy is NOWHERE NEAR stronger than Kaido. Neither are Zoro or Sanji. Zoro and Sanji struggled for a long time against guys Green Bull had no problem with. Even with their upgrades, are they really near him yet?
I love Zoro and Sanji, I just think Oda is tricking us into believing the Straw Hats are stronger than they are, and that they can't be beaten. Since they feel so invincible, I think they're about to take a big L. If the Marines and Gorosei look bad here, it'll kill their hype for the Final Arc. They need a strong showing, and the easiest way is dusting a new Yonkou crew.
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I think S-Bear's gonna get Kuma's memories and do a mass Teleportation like at the end of Sabaody.
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I hope we get all of the strawhats vs Kizaru
We can finally see the crew do full Docking with Franky.
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I try to avoid agendas when I power-scale, but, believe what you want.
I have no idea why saying Zoro is going to lose in a 2v1 against an Admiral is dick riding him, but, uh... go ahead.
This would be an amazing callback, I hope this happens now.
The first panel makes it look like Luffy's punch connected.
Then, we get a angle of Saturn's face, and he's holding Luffy's hand back while staring with slanted, darkened eyes. CoC cracks out of Saturn, and Luffy's wrist begins to crack and break. Luffy swears and tries to punch again, but Saturn uses Soru/Shave Rokushiki like Cipher Pol, then grabs Luffy's face, and Hand Guns him into the ground, sending cracks all over the place, and leaving a small crater.
"We earned the title of World's Greatest Authority through our own power. You're the one who punched Charlos, correct, Nika? I should not insult my family like this perhaps, but..." Saturn begins to choke Luffy as the other Straw Hats stumble, some falling to their knees from his CoC. "Did you really think the Gorosei was as weak as that clown? Did you think the Marines would serve us, if we were feeble old men drinking tea around a table?"
Luffy: "Who the hell do you think you are, you crazy old man! What the hell is a Gorosei?"
Saturn makes the Enel Face.
In some cases, yeah, but there are some pretty obvious examples.
Arlong Park and Fishman Island.
Alabasta and Dressrosa
Not every arc has a counterpoint, but, there are some interesting connections. Thriller Bark and Wano were connected through the theme of death, were Moria after losing his crew used the dead as his army because he couldn't handle more loss, when the Scabbards lost their leader, and tried to give their lives up to avenge his death themselves. Stuff like that.
Arlong Park and Fishman Island.
Alabasta and Dressrosa
Not every arc has a counterpoint, but, there are some interesting connections. Thriller Bark and Wano were connected through the theme of death, were Moria after losing his crew used the dead as his army because he couldn't handle more loss, when the Scabbards lost their leader, and tried to give their lives up to avenge his death themselves. Stuff like that.
