Powers & Abilities Sword skill (without haki) is a myth: Haki makes a master swordsman
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You just talk like the bald ass Lari who breath too much ZKK copium. 
1- They think Buggy is stronger than Mihawk, thats why someone stronger than Mihawk made Cross Guild Yonko. Katakuri wasn't Fifth Emperor when Luffy beat him, that doesn't mean Katakuri was fifth Emperor or Marco wasn't Emperor when BB stomped him that made BB Yonko, same as Buggy beating or making Mihawk his underling made Buggy Yonko.
Debunked.
2- If Crocodile is fodder how he stopped Mihawk when Daz Bones couldn't?
So fodder stops Mihawk?
Law says both Mihawk AND Croco made Buggy Yonko not only Mihawk:
Both Mihawk and Croco yield and made Buggy Yonko not only Mihawk.
ZKKboys can't read.
Mihawk's extra bounty is for Marine Hunting, he was the only Marine Hunter Shichibukai.
The power difference with Luffy and Zolo is big. And thats not going to change when Zolo surpasses Mihawk
Luffy = Yonko > Yonko underling Zolo > Mihawk.
1- They think Buggy is stronger than Mihawk, thats why someone stronger than Mihawk made Cross Guild Yonko. Katakuri wasn't Fifth Emperor when Luffy beat him, that doesn't mean Katakuri was fifth Emperor or Marco wasn't Emperor when BB stomped him that made BB Yonko, same as Buggy beating or making Mihawk his underling made Buggy Yonko.
Debunked.
2- If Crocodile is fodder how he stopped Mihawk when Daz Bones couldn't?
So fodder stops Mihawk?
Law says both Mihawk AND Croco made Buggy Yonko not only Mihawk:Both Mihawk and Croco yield and made Buggy Yonko not only Mihawk.
ZKKboys can't read.
Mihawk's extra bounty is for Marine Hunting, he was the only Marine Hunter Shichibukai.
The power difference with Luffy and Zolo is big. And thats not going to change when Zolo surpasses Mihawk
Luffy = Yonko > Yonko underling Zolo > Mihawk.
Reading this thread..........
More braindead copium from the usual suspects, not sure what else I expected lmao.
"Bu...but muh King"
Cause the dude uses dishonourable tactics, like Zoro explained right away after King used his swordbreaking technique. King's fighting style is swordsmanship + martial arts + DF ability.
"Roger and Shanks channel haki through swords, they aren't swordsmen"
TOP KEK
How much dishonesty and mental gymnastics dudes play for agenda on cartoon characters lol
More braindead copium from the usual suspects, not sure what else I expected lmao.
"Bu...but muh King"
Cause the dude uses dishonourable tactics, like Zoro explained right away after King used his swordbreaking technique. King's fighting style is swordsmanship + martial arts + DF ability.
"Roger and Shanks channel haki through swords, they aren't swordsmen"
TOP KEK
How much dishonesty and mental gymnastics dudes play for agenda on cartoon characters lol
I see the words "sword skills" gets thrown around in One Piece community and we all know its because of the age old debate of Shanks vs Mihawk. Trollda himself fuels such debates by mentioning "sword skill" in Mihawk's bounty poster. I have been thinking a while the meaning of "sword skill" in One Piece context and came to the conclusion that sword skills do not really exist in One Piece, its a myth.
The lack of depth in sword styles in One Piece
In order to discuss sword skills, it is important to consider sword styles first. Lets take the gold standard of sword mangas Rurouni Kenshin for example (If you havent read it yet, start now!). Some of the well known sword styles from Rurouni Kenshin are =>
- Hiten Mitsurigi style: Kenshin's style, a fast-paced style that focuses on agility and speed
- Kamiya Kasshin style: Kaoru's style, thats focused on defense and counters
- Gatotsu: Sword style of the GOAT Hajime Saito, a style that emphasizes speed and precision in order to kill opponents quickly
- Kodachi style: Aoshi's style that use a short sword to create impregnable defense and then attack with martial arts
It is clear that Noburo Watsuki, the creator of Rurouni Kenshin, gave careful consideration to the sword styles portrayed in the manga. These styles are well-defined and tailored to suit the personalities, physical abilities, and weaponry of their respective users. Now lets think about some of the prominent sword styles we got in One Piece =>
- Two sword style: Oden
- Three sword style: Zoro
- Four sword style: Kaku
- Six sword style: Hatchan
- Eight sword style: Hyouzou
- Nine sword style: Asura Kyutoryu
One could argue that Oda is simply adding a new sword and calling it a new style in One Piece, without much thought put into it. Its either Oda was being lazy with the styles or he simply didnt care much. What if sword styles, as well as sword skills, doesnt really matter for a top tier swordsmen? That would explain why sword styles lacking in depth and careful consideration.
There is only one skill exclusive to the "pure" swordsmen
The majority of techniques used by One Piece swordsmen are rooted in various forms of cutting or slashing. Its quite possible that individuals like Roger or Shanks could perform this maneuvers given their strength, skill or agility.
As far as I am concerned, there is only one skill thats exclusive to the so called "pure" swordsmen: the flying slash. This technique was introduced during Skypea when Zoro fought Braham. We have also seen Zoro imbuing haki with a flying slash against Monet. Flying slash is something that probably requires a certain level of skill and I dont see Shanks/Roger replicating it without any practice. However, the haki emission strikes (e.g. kamusari) from Roger/Shanks have a similar function. Is flying slash truly necessary for a swordsman who has haki emission strikes in his arsenal?
Another technique that could potentially be exclusive to "pure" swordsmen is the "iai" technique, which involves drawing the sword quickly and striking in one fluid motion. Zoro has used this technique with his Shishi Sonson attack. However, going forward, I dont see any scenario where a fast draw would impact the outcome of a fight.
The use of Juken - Gentle blade
Perhaps you are thinking, "Well Nidai, we have seen how crucial sword skills can be all the way back in chapter 51" =>
Zoro: It was DEFLECTED. No matter times you shoot him, the outcome will be the same.
He changed the trajectory of the bullet with the tip of his sword.
Pirate: ...who the hell are you?!
Zoro: I've never seen such a graceful sword.
Mihawk: There is no strength in a sword without softness.
Zoro: And you split this ship with that sword as well?
Mihawk: Indeed.
Zoro admired it as if using gentle blade alone made Mihawk the WSS. Unfortunately, Tashigi replicated this feat:
No disrespect to Tashigi, but if she can replicate one of the greatest sword skills, perhaps sword skills dont amount much for the top fighters in the verse. Its like she maxed out her sword skills and its not enough to push her beyond the captain rank in the marines.
The Pinnacle of Swordsmanship: The Ability to Cut Nothing
There's been many theories floating around regarding how Zoro will beat Shiryu. Long story short, the theory says Zoro will learn to cut nothing to beat Shiryu. Cutting nothing was first mentioned by Kyoshiro =>
Whats relevant and important for this thread is, Kyoshiro regarded "cutting nothing" as the pinnacle of swordsmanship =>
I had high hopes this would be some special sword skill thats unique to the "pure" swordsmen, the people who live by and die by their swords. I was expecting some sort of ultra instinct awakening or some other badass shit unique to sword masters. However, my excitement was dashed when Oda revealed "cutting nothing" is heavily reliant on haki abilities =>
Only Haki is real
1. The first thing (the only thing?) Mihawk taught Zoro is haki =>
2. While teaching his swordstyle to his disciples, the first thing Oden mentions is ryou =>
3. A master swordsman can use his haki to cut everything or cut nothing (see the Hyogoro panel above)
We saw during Zoro vs King fight that all the techniques in the world wasnt enough, but once Zoro unleashed CoC, it was over.
TLDR
Haki is everything for a swordsman, sword skill means squat
Some tags (who I think might be interested):
The lack of depth in sword styles in One Piece
In order to discuss sword skills, it is important to consider sword styles first. Lets take the gold standard of sword mangas Rurouni Kenshin for example (If you havent read it yet, start now!). Some of the well known sword styles from Rurouni Kenshin are =>
- Hiten Mitsurigi style: Kenshin's style, a fast-paced style that focuses on agility and speed
- Kamiya Kasshin style: Kaoru's style, thats focused on defense and counters
- Gatotsu: Sword style of the GOAT Hajime Saito, a style that emphasizes speed and precision in order to kill opponents quickly
- Kodachi style: Aoshi's style that use a short sword to create impregnable defense and then attack with martial arts
It is clear that Noburo Watsuki, the creator of Rurouni Kenshin, gave careful consideration to the sword styles portrayed in the manga. These styles are well-defined and tailored to suit the personalities, physical abilities, and weaponry of their respective users. Now lets think about some of the prominent sword styles we got in One Piece =>
- Two sword style: Oden
- Three sword style: Zoro
- Four sword style: Kaku
- Six sword style: Hatchan
- Eight sword style: Hyouzou
- Nine sword style: Asura Kyutoryu
One could argue that Oda is simply adding a new sword and calling it a new style in One Piece, without much thought put into it. Its either Oda was being lazy with the styles or he simply didnt care much. What if sword styles, as well as sword skills, doesnt really matter for a top tier swordsmen? That would explain why sword styles lacking in depth and careful consideration.
There is only one skill exclusive to the "pure" swordsmen
The majority of techniques used by One Piece swordsmen are rooted in various forms of cutting or slashing. Its quite possible that individuals like Roger or Shanks could perform this maneuvers given their strength, skill or agility.
As far as I am concerned, there is only one skill thats exclusive to the so called "pure" swordsmen: the flying slash. This technique was introduced during Skypea when Zoro fought Braham. We have also seen Zoro imbuing haki with a flying slash against Monet. Flying slash is something that probably requires a certain level of skill and I dont see Shanks/Roger replicating it without any practice. However, the haki emission strikes (e.g. kamusari) from Roger/Shanks have a similar function. Is flying slash truly necessary for a swordsman who has haki emission strikes in his arsenal?
Another technique that could potentially be exclusive to "pure" swordsmen is the "iai" technique, which involves drawing the sword quickly and striking in one fluid motion. Zoro has used this technique with his Shishi Sonson attack. However, going forward, I dont see any scenario where a fast draw would impact the outcome of a fight.
The use of Juken - Gentle blade
Perhaps you are thinking, "Well Nidai, we have seen how crucial sword skills can be all the way back in chapter 51" =>
Zoro: It was DEFLECTED. No matter times you shoot him, the outcome will be the same.
He changed the trajectory of the bullet with the tip of his sword.
Pirate: ...who the hell are you?!
Zoro: I've never seen such a graceful sword.
Mihawk: There is no strength in a sword without softness.
Zoro: And you split this ship with that sword as well?
Mihawk: Indeed.
Zoro admired it as if using gentle blade alone made Mihawk the WSS. Unfortunately, Tashigi replicated this feat:
The Pinnacle of Swordsmanship: The Ability to Cut Nothing
There's been many theories floating around regarding how Zoro will beat Shiryu. Long story short, the theory says Zoro will learn to cut nothing to beat Shiryu. Cutting nothing was first mentioned by Kyoshiro =>
Whats relevant and important for this thread is, Kyoshiro regarded "cutting nothing" as the pinnacle of swordsmanship =>
I had high hopes this would be some special sword skill thats unique to the "pure" swordsmen, the people who live by and die by their swords. I was expecting some sort of ultra instinct awakening or some other badass shit unique to sword masters. However, my excitement was dashed when Oda revealed "cutting nothing" is heavily reliant on haki abilities =>
Only Haki is real
1. The first thing (the only thing?) Mihawk taught Zoro is haki =>
2. While teaching his swordstyle to his disciples, the first thing Oden mentions is ryou =>
3. A master swordsman can use his haki to cut everything or cut nothing (see the Hyogoro panel above)
We saw during Zoro vs King fight that all the techniques in the world wasnt enough, but once Zoro unleashed CoC, it was over.
TLDR
Haki is everything for a swordsman, sword skill means squat
Some tags (who I think might be interested):
@HA001 OF THE RAIN
@nik87
@Fleet Leader Fenaker
@L55
@Den_Den_Mushi
@wordy
@Cinera
@Celestial D. Dragon
@Erkan12
@SkySanji (hater)
@The Buddha
@Levi
@kurohime
@Albino 👑
@Rootbeer
@Bogard
@Garp the Fist
@Gol D. Roger
@ZenZu (haki hater)
@HeroesNZ
@TheAncientCenturion
@Buggy D Clown
@CbShadow
@Shanal
@Thabeast
@Rukusho
@grey matter
@ShishioIsBack
@Franosuke
@Rivaille
@Peroroncino
@Blother Fertitta
@ShadyOjiro
@Cyrus the Cactus
@Reborn
@Lor D. Coast
@mly90
@Marimo_420
@Malio
@kumae
@Blazing Lion
@yorosenpai
@Gensui Sazid
@Daikenki
@Salah WG
@Ice devil slayer
@Roronoa-sama
@nik87
@Fleet Leader Fenaker
@L55
@Den_Den_Mushi
@wordy
@Cinera
@Celestial D. Dragon
@Erkan12
@SkySanji (hater)
@The Buddha
@Levi
@kurohime
@Albino 👑
@Rootbeer
@Bogard
@Garp the Fist
@Gol D. Roger
@ZenZu (haki hater)
@HeroesNZ
@TheAncientCenturion
@Buggy D Clown
@CbShadow
@Shanal
@Thabeast
@Rukusho
@grey matter
@ShishioIsBack
@Franosuke
@Rivaille
@Peroroncino
@Blother Fertitta
@ShadyOjiro
@Cyrus the Cactus
@Reborn
@Lor D. Coast
@mly90
@Marimo_420
@Malio
@kumae
@Blazing Lion
@yorosenpai
@Gensui Sazid
@Daikenki
@Salah WG
@Ice devil slayer
@Roronoa-sama
king is not a swordman According to zoro because he uses a sword breaker which is anti swordmanship , and he's a 6 meters lunarian who can fly and has fire manipulation abilities and an insane durability
and about titles
whitebeard
kaido
Mihawk
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and about titles
whitebeard
kaido
Mihawk
Literally same Kanji/script for WB, Kaido and Mihawk.
But you have to realize these dudes aren't arguing here on good faith. So this wouldn't work
It’s gonna be funny looking back at threads like this when it comes time for Mihawk and Shanks to reveal their full power.
It’s gonna be ZKK all over again.
It’s gonna be ZKK all over again.
It will be like Zoro never made it to the rooftop, enma gives him Oden's haki, didn't block hakai, and never bested and scarred Kaido in a 1v1 all over again.
It’s gonna be funny looking back at threads like this when it comes time for Posthawk and Red Snitch to reveal their full power.
It’s gonna be ZKK all over again.
It’s gonna be ZKK all over again.
Nidai is making threads now? Weird times
Roger used a Sword, but he probably wasn’t WSS. If he was Zoro would look up to and want to surpass him possibly even more than Mihawk. Though Roger was still seen as the strongest of his time due to Haki, which tells me there must be certain Haki skills that are not counted in Swordsmanship.
The most likely distinction that Oda is using, is skills that are not related to cutting are not Swordsmanship based. CoC/CoA coating are used to enhance a Swordsman’s ability to cut things and so is CoO ability to hear/see the breath of things like Metal, which makes those Haki skills fall under swordsmanship. Though, I’m not sure things like Future Sight and CoC rendering people unconscious fall under Swordsmanship for Oda, as they don’t enhance one’s ability to cut.
Roger is probably stronger than Mihawk overall, though Mihawk can probably cut through things that Roger can’t. Zoro at the end of the story will probably be able to cut through diamond, but Luffy even with all his Sun God and PK Haki probably won’t be able to pick up a sword and cut through diamond, though he would beat Zoro in a fight even if he primarily choose to use a sword, as his PK Haki skills and Sun God raw power would be too oppressive.
The most likely distinction that Oda is using, is skills that are not related to cutting are not Swordsmanship based. CoC/CoA coating are used to enhance a Swordsman’s ability to cut things and so is CoO ability to hear/see the breath of things like Metal, which makes those Haki skills fall under swordsmanship. Though, I’m not sure things like Future Sight and CoC rendering people unconscious fall under Swordsmanship for Oda, as they don’t enhance one’s ability to cut.
Roger is probably stronger than Mihawk overall, though Mihawk can probably cut through things that Roger can’t. Zoro at the end of the story will probably be able to cut through diamond, but Luffy even with all his Sun God and PK Haki probably won’t be able to pick up a sword and cut through diamond, though he would beat Zoro in a fight even if he primarily choose to use a sword, as his PK Haki skills and Sun God raw power would be too oppressive.
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