I actually liked Peterson Jordan for a moment but that’s only because he quoted some cool philosophers and had defended free speech.
That's how these types catch their followers, by saying some basic things that everyone knows and say something intellectual.
When one don't subscribe to any ideology, it means that one will not follow ethical ideologies. Meaning that one will therefore not fight for those ideologies. In short: One is a rightist.
No that's not how it works😒:lawsigh:
Being religious doesn't mean that you can't do science
I'm probably more religious than 80% of those "cONseRvATiVeS" who made religion their whole identity :saden:
Surprisingly, I think Bob could make a good leftist too.. he notices some stuff.
many of these guys notice stuff but they draw all the wrong conclusions and believe in all the wrong, self destructive "solutions". We can't save them my bunny. Don't waste your time.
Some germans were also living well under National socialism. Living well under a toxic leadership is not a testimony of the virtue of said leadership.
It's a big problem that some people only see and care about themselves and saving their own skin, they cant (or don't want to) see the bigger picture and the root caused of problems.
What I don't like about dawkins is the same thing I dont like about Bill Maher, their endless contempt and smugness.
I see your point lol
In high school we were force fed Dawkins and the likes, I never liked him
 
dont really see the big deal



he's just a conservative pundit


if anything it was a change of pace due to how liberal/leftist the general status quo of the west


canada is still very much still a leftist nation so not much changed as of result of peterson's efforts


if anything, the system has doubled down on it's leftist takes due to the online right wing movement challenging the more traditional channels which are entirely aligned with the left
He is a business man, not an intellectual. Especially when he often or always reaches out of his field
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The west has been going full right since Reagan btw.
 

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Didn't say Biden wasn't racist

Just that Trump hates minorities more
And I disagree with that statement. Biden has only created policies that hurt the minorities of the United States and Trump's policies have helped them. Including when he undid one of the most racist laws that Biden helped write where it gave mostly black men unfair sentences.
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It's been fun, but after today I likely will be released back to work and be busy again. :few:
 

Zemmi

GodMommie
Biden had a case of Foot-in-Mouth-Syndrome. kek Indeed People all do have a mind of their own, But they tend to squander it (this goes for more than just Left or Right btw).
Honestly, the best thing the left did for Trump was push all the phony charges on him. It has resonated with people who feel like the law system has unjustly punished them. That's why you have seen videos of people of all races taking to the streets demanding to free him.

It's also how he went from unelectable to having a high chance of being elected.
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Women with Zemmour :pepebuggy:
I don't know what that means lol.
 
Honestly, the best thing the left did for Trump was push all the phony charges on him. It has resonated with people who feel like the law system has unjustly punished them. That's why you have seen videos of people of all races taking to the streets demanding to free him.

It's also how he went from unelectable to having a high chance of being elected.
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I don't know what that means lol.
I remember Trumps Mug Shot didn't go as planned for em, Hahaha Just made him even more Relatable and him against the world, so to speak etc... Made him look badass etc... (Haters gonna hate though)
 
far right is generally used as a shaming term for typically just everyday conservative pundits say peterson,sharpiro and so on
Sorry mate, those definitely far right, even crypto fascist for some.

dont buy into your narrative of the world being ran by bunch of extreme right wing nazi's
No, that's YOUR narrative. What I say that the world is directed by liberals and pro capitalist.
That's your problem, you never listen..


same general ideas and social positions
Nop not at all. Unless you are ignorant about the nature of the political spectrum and differences between the value systems.


most of them lean left or are liberal if term makes you feel better
Liberal yes, not left.
But since you don't understand/still refuse the to understand the difference between leftists and liberal, I guess you will never open your eyes on this matter
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hate that your so autistic about terms
There is a reason why liberal=/=leftism. I already explained that multiple times to you and you refuse to understand or even listen. Keep your psychophobia away please.


if x person holds x set of positions be it pro abortion,femminsm,blm or whatever


that's what defines you being right wing or left
Not necessaraly no.


there's two parties, one made for the conservatives and the other for liberals/leftists
No, there are indeed two party but its rightist VS leftist. And liberalism is not on the side of leftism. Its - again - just a progressive version of rightism.


you wanna embody that whilie at the same time pretty much holding the exact poltics of the monarchy
No, but you can call me Robin Hood if you want to, I like the title.


is the misunderstanding in your mind that said groups are leftist or that they status quo
There is indeed a missunderstanding, but its not in my mind mate :cheers:


im saying im opposed to teaching woke,sjw or leftism to kids
You don't want kid to learn about science ?


he actively censors the right
Maybe now yes, that's not what your article was


I can write a book about Biden's racism and how it's affected my family directly.
I think this is not "Biden's racism" but the overall systemic racism you are referring to. Biden is just not doing much about it that's all (same as Trump)


Yeah thats once again nice fanfiction bruh.
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Well thats the claim, and you have me scources that make claims, thats it. Its a reach to even call it a movement. Much lesd a belief system lmao.
Oh but its a real social movement. In fact the New atheism can also be found in France under a different name with similar vision of science and the same negligeance of socials sciences and political issues.


You never argued his words at all, you immediately went for the character, and that in a fallacious dishonest way too.
Yes I did when we talked about Eugenism. And now I'm EXTENDING the critic to the character himself. And this is a perfectly legitimate critic.

Again, you are confusing adhominem/personam with the legitimate critic of an individual's path. ADhominem/personam are just fallacies when they are used to redirect the debate away from the subject, not when we make an actual analysis of an individual's path.

You imagine if Historian weren't able to make critical descriptions about historical personnalities's path ? Cut the nonsense please.


Nah im not, this is all antilogical drivel.

Again not surprised though
Like I said: The fact of not subscribing to any ideologies means that you won't take a side when it come to defend basic ethical ideologies like the defense of minorities or the oppressed for the sake of "not taking a side". This is one of the parameters that separates right wingers from left wingers. Sorry.


Not the point at all and i have said as much in the past lmao
:kayneshrug:Yes it is.


Thats not what scientism is used to mean
No indeed, the reorganisation of the society through science is an idea of scientism and society that appeared with Saint-Simon during the 19' century. Dawkins is just taken and reforming back this ideology.


and that wouldnt be even be true for the supposed "new atheists" either. Sam harris of the four horseman is probably the only one claiming science can make statements about morality.
Well that's not what analyst say about the subject.

https://theconversation.com/why-the...s-are-often-just-as-violent-as-religion-95185


unless its about compromising science or basic defitions of words
Not really no as you prefer academic definition over scientific ones.


No that's not how it works
Sadly that's precisely how it works.

The inaction in front of oppression is a parameter of conservatism.


Trump's policies have helped them.
Not really no.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/01/trump-black-americans-policies-433744


Women with Zemmour :pepebuggy:
Thaïs d'Escufon :risitameh:
 
Thus has nothing to do with what you initially said
What I said is that the absence of ideology and therefore the refusal to follow an ideology prevent one to follow any ethical ideologies that would be necessary to follow to defend people under oppression.

Therefore the volontary absence of ideology is the refusal of the action in front of oppressions and the push of conservatives ideologies. Which is a parameter of conservatism and overall rightism.

Apolitism is just another name for rightism. Neutrality in a conflict between an oppressor and people being oppressed ALWAYS favor the oppressor.
 
What I said is that the absence of ideology and therefore the refusal to follow an ideology prevent one to follow any ethical ideologies that would be necessary to follow to defend people under oppression.

Therefore the volontary absence of ideology is the refusal of the action in front of oppressions and the push of conservatives ideologies. Which is a parameter of conservatism and overall rightism.

Apolitism is just another name for rightism. Neutrality in a conflict between an oppressor and people being oppressed ALWAYS favor the oppressor.
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He's gonna pick a woman.
by the pussy?sorry,i had to do this joke
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Honestly, the best thing the left did for Trump was push all the phony charges on him. It has resonated with people who feel like the law system has unjustly punished them. That's why you have seen videos of people of all races taking to the streets demanding to free him.

It's also how he went from unelectable to having a high chance of being elected.
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I don't know what that means lol.
The left is basically self imploding. People are starting to hate them because of their actions.
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I remember Trumps Mug Shot didn't go as planned for em, Hahaha Just made him even more Relatable and him against the world, so to speak etc... Made him look badass etc... (Haters gonna hate though)
That mugshot was really cool lol
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Didn't say Biden wasn't racist

Just that Trump hates minorities more
I don't really percevie Trump in that way. Are you saying that because of the wall deal?
 
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You can facepalm all you want, this is what apolitism is and this is where apolitism leads.

It doesn't take a genius to understand that those who refuse to take a side in a conflict that oppose a oppressor and a victim are always favorizing the side of the oppressor even if they don't intend to.

Not taking a side IS ALWAYS taking a side. The side that don't care if oppressors win and therefore the side that favor the oppressions.

nothing less from you :suresure::suresure:
Not only I don't remember calling you that, but I'm pretty sure I never did. On the other hand I clearly remember saying that you didn't care to act against those problems.
because of their actions.
Because of what action ? If you hate someone because they are defending oppressed people, its not the action or those who make them that you hate, its the oppressed people :shocking:
 
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