Chapter Discussion Why Zoro went from 3 swords with advcoc to 2 swords and no advcoc
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Just because Zoro chose to keep Fighting with CoC whole Fight doesn't mean it's Part of King of Hell Name
If Zoro uses Only Average CoA, does Attack Name Change? No
If Zoro uses Only Average CoC, does Attack Name Change? No
So Average Usage of both doesn't necessitate a Name Change
If Zoro uses Only Max CoC, does Attack Name Change? Yes (It becomes Dragon-Style)
Meaning Max Usage does require a Name Change
Your problem is with if Zoro Only uses Max CoA, you think Name doesn't change as well
If that was the Case, then Oda won't bother to Create "Two" Name Changes
Since it's Fusion of CoA & CoA, then either Stick with King of Hell Name alone or Dragon-Style
No need for Both
It's simple, Max CoA = King of Hell Name (References Enma)
Max CoC = Dragon-Style (References Extra Long Trails that look like Dragon/Snake)
If it's Average CoA and/or Average CoC, Name won't Change
If Zoro uses Only Average CoA, does Attack Name Change? No
If Zoro uses Only Average CoC, does Attack Name Change? No
So Average Usage of both doesn't necessitate a Name Change
If Zoro uses Only Max CoC, does Attack Name Change? Yes (It becomes Dragon-Style)
Meaning Max Usage does require a Name Change
Your problem is with if Zoro Only uses Max CoA, you think Name doesn't change as well
If that was the Case, then Oda won't bother to Create "Two" Name Changes
Since it's Fusion of CoA & CoA, then either Stick with King of Hell Name alone or Dragon-Style
No need for Both
It's simple, Max CoA = King of Hell Name (References Enma)
Max CoC = Dragon-Style (References Extra Long Trails that look like Dragon/Snake)
If it's Average CoA and/or Average CoC, Name won't Change
Well, based on instances shown so far, CoC is a must for King of Hell to be named on an attack.
Take a look at this page. The first two instances have a lot more Ryo flow than Lucci's case and neither of them are KOH.
The panel on the bottom is KOH. The first two panels are just new standard to Enma's satisfaction.
There was even more Ryo release during Hiryu Kaen and it wasnt named as King of Hell because it lacked CoC.
Oden who had both wasnt able to pull King of Hell either. So even with CoC and CoA it is still not KoH, this is unique to Zoro.
I am willing to support your take as soon as we get an instance of King of Hell named attack without aCoC being present.
The panel on the bottom is KOH. The first two panels are just new standard to Enma's satisfaction.
There was even more Ryo release during Hiryu Kaen and it wasnt named as King of Hell because it lacked CoC.
Oden who had both wasnt able to pull King of Hell either. So even with CoC and CoA it is still not KoH, this is unique to Zoro.
I am willing to support your take as soon as we get an instance of King of Hell named attack without aCoC being present.
Max CoA usage but no CoC being imbued, which is drawn like this.
Thick Black Lighting = CoC infusion like for every other character who uses it.
The CoA smoke is overflowing CoA, which was Enma's quirk that Zoro now uses as a skill on all 3 swords.
But yea, King of Hell 3 Sword Style is both CoC & overflowing CoA.
Max CoA usage but no CoC being imbued, which is drawn like this.
Thick Black Lighting = CoC infusion like for every other character who uses it.
The CoA smoke is overflowing CoA, which was Enma's quirk that Zoro now uses as a skill on all 3 swords.
But yea, King of Hell 3 Sword Style is both CoC & overflowing CoA.
Max coa was done on dragon damnation
Well, based on instances shown so far, CoC is a must for King of Hell to be named on an attack.
Take a look at this page. The first two instances have a lot more Ryo flow than Lucci's case and neither of them are KOH.
The panel on the bottom is KOH. The first two panels are just new standard to Enma's satisfaction.
There was even more Ryo release during Hiryu Kaen and it wasnt named as King of Hell because it lacked CoC.
Oden who had both wasnt able to pull King of Hell either. So even with CoC and CoA it is still not KoH, this is unique to Zoro.
I am willing to support your take as soon as we get an instance of King of Hell named attack without aCoC being present.
The panel on the bottom is KOH. The first two panels are just new standard to Enma's satisfaction.
There was even more Ryo release during Hiryu Kaen and it wasnt named as King of Hell because it lacked CoC.
Oden who had both wasnt able to pull King of Hell either. So even with CoC and CoA it is still not KoH, this is unique to Zoro.
I am willing to support your take as soon as we get an instance of King of Hell named attack without aCoC being present.
Average CoA Alone (No Smoke) = No Name Change
Max CoA Alone = No Name Change
Average CoC Alone = No Name Change
If Max CoA Alone & Average CoC Alone don't require a Name Change, why would Fusing them does
Followed by Zoro Modifying the Name again when using Max CoC
It's more Simple & Logical to just say that Average Usage of CoA/CoA doesn't justify Name Change
But Max Usage of either does
If let's say They are distributed Equally, meaning Max CoA is 50% of Zoro's Haki Potential (No Asura) & Max CoC is 50%
While Average Usage is 25%, then We get this:
100% Zoro = Max CoC + Max CoA
75% Zoro = Max CoC + Average CoA or Average CoC + Max CoA
50% Zoro = Both Average or Max CoC + No CoA or No CoC + Max CoA
So against Lucci, even if We consider Max CoA = Max CoC, Zoro was Fighting with 50%
But We both know that's not the Case, and seeing how He is Fighting right now, which is even Less
It's safe to say that Zoro is only Using 1/3 of his Max Power (No Asura) against Lucci
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I was wondering why the heck oda made jinbei go there. It's definitely not to tag team so most likely to get zoro back before he gets lost....
But what if Oda draws Zoro using Adcoc to clap lucci and then we saw grim reaper again but this time jinbei witness it as well....
His grim reaper plot still remains unresolved
I was wondering why the heck oda made jinbei go there. It's definitely not to tag team so most likely to get zoro back before he gets lost....
But what if Oda draws Zoro using Adcoc to clap lucci and then we saw grim reaper again but this time jinbei witness it as well....
His grim reaper plot still remains unresolved
Base CoA = Black haki and that's it.
Overflowing CoA (OCoA) = Smoke in the swords. (We also saw this smoke when Emma was introduced and it started sucking Zoro's CoA im excessive amounts. The fact that all 3 swords have the smoke implies that Zoro can now suffice Emma amounts of haki to all swords.)
ACoC = Thicc streams of black lightning coming directly out of the swords even without clashing or preparing an attack.
KoH = Combining OCoA (the smoke) with ACoC (the thicc black lightning streams).
Overflowing CoA (OCoA) = Smoke in the swords. (We also saw this smoke when Emma was introduced and it started sucking Zoro's CoA im excessive amounts. The fact that all 3 swords have the smoke implies that Zoro can now suffice Emma amounts of haki to all swords.)
ACoC = Thicc streams of black lightning coming directly out of the swords even without clashing or preparing an attack.
KoH = Combining OCoA (the smoke) with ACoC (the thicc black lightning streams).
I think Salah is right, and many of us have been wrong. KOH is not Zoro's maximum power nor has it been his only PU, we have 2, KOH and Dragon style
Zoro's oni giri, vs King was only KOH (coa, green smoke)
DD (coa, green smoke = KOH. + Dragon style, coc = black lightning)
So, has Zoro used KOH against Lucci? Yes, but that's not the equivalent of Nika's G5, since Zoro's full power is KOH Dragon Style.
Not to mention that he has not used techniques either, which make a difference.
Luffy couldn't defeat Ulti.
Zoro couldn't defeat Apoo
Zoro couldn't defeat Denjiro.
But simply by using a skill and being serious he took out Apoo in one hit, simple.
VS Lucci
G5 ------- yes KOH ------- yes
ADVcoc ---- no ADVcoc ----- no
Named attacks ----- yes Named attacks ---- no
Result, Nika exhausted after the fight, Lucci recovered in minutes.
VS Zoro, it remains to be seen
Zoro's oni giri, vs King was only KOH (coa, green smoke)
DD (coa, green smoke = KOH. + Dragon style, coc = black lightning)
So, has Zoro used KOH against Lucci? Yes, but that's not the equivalent of Nika's G5, since Zoro's full power is KOH Dragon Style.
Not to mention that he has not used techniques either, which make a difference.
Luffy couldn't defeat Ulti.
Zoro couldn't defeat Apoo
Zoro couldn't defeat Denjiro.
But simply by using a skill and being serious he took out Apoo in one hit, simple.
VS Lucci
G5 ------- yes KOH ------- yes
ADVcoc ---- no ADVcoc ----- no
Named attacks ----- yes Named attacks ---- no
Result, Nika exhausted after the fight, Lucci recovered in minutes.
VS Zoro, it remains to be seen
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There are fans still trying to claim Zoro ran out of energy.
They honestly believe Zoro can go from having the energy to fight in a war that lasted for hours throughout the night where he faced thousands of opponents, 2 yonko, and a lunarian who harder to damage than Kaido or BM all while using a sword that was forcing him to release more haki than he wishes for majority of the war.
To having so little energy Zoro can only fight for about 5 to 10 minutes before running out.
Do fans believe Zoro's energy reserves decreased even though he grew stronger? Do fans thinks he needs consume food to replenish his energy during battle like Luffy?
The reason Zoro went from 2 swords to 3 swords was because he didn't need to use 3 swords to handle awakening Lucci or control the battle.
That's was Oda's way of showing Zoro's growth and new strength. Zoro can fight and handle a YC1 level character fighting in awakening, their strongest form, with just 2 swords.
They honestly believe Zoro can go from having the energy to fight in a war that lasted for hours throughout the night where he faced thousands of opponents, 2 yonko, and a lunarian who harder to damage than Kaido or BM all while using a sword that was forcing him to release more haki than he wishes for majority of the war.
To having so little energy Zoro can only fight for about 5 to 10 minutes before running out.
Do fans believe Zoro's energy reserves decreased even though he grew stronger? Do fans thinks he needs consume food to replenish his energy during battle like Luffy?
The reason Zoro went from 2 swords to 3 swords was because he didn't need to use 3 swords to handle awakening Lucci or control the battle.
That's was Oda's way of showing Zoro's growth and new strength. Zoro can fight and handle a YC1 level character fighting in awakening, their strongest form, with just 2 swords.
